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Rich kids do better than poor kids 4
#23985747 - 01/06/17 03:26 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Moving this from Political Cartoons so that thread doesn't get hijacked.
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...get over your victim complex, obviously everyone doesn't start off on equal footing but acting like that's a life sentence to poverty is just compensating for your own failures.
Statistically, a high school dropout from a rich family does as well as a college graduate from a poor family, so the comic above is extremely true to life.
Washington Post is the liberal Fox News. The graph it provided references a study that in no way indicates what they wrote is true.
Have a look http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2014/12/01/rich-high-school-dropouts-well-poor-college-grads/
I looked at your article and it doesn't refute the data from one I posted. In fact, it uses the same data source to make additional points.
In summary, your article (correctly) states that the title of my article was wrong, and I agree (I also agree Washington Post isn't a great source).
Yes, poor kids with a college degree do in fact do slightly better than rich kids who drop out of high school. But kids with equal backgrounds do far better when they're from rich backgrounds. Both articles make this very clear.
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So work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same
Or bitch about being poor, keep blaming rich people for being poor, and condemn your children to the same fate
***One of these options is clearly better
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And smart kids do better than stupid kids, better looking kids do better than ugly kids, healthier kids do better than sick kids, shall I go on?
There's nothing equal about life, as soon as we are born we have advantages and disadvantages relative to our peers.
The ultimate goal is equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman] 2
#23986099 - 01/06/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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The point isn't to equalize all outcomes. The point is that nobody pulls themselves up by their own bootstraps. Some people are luckier than others, and the world might be a nicer place if we did away with the myth that successful people deserve all the credit for said success. This isn't to say that successful people don't deserve some credit for their success. They do, of course, but recognizing the role that luck plays in our lives might go far to increase peoples' empathy for those less fortunate.
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: ballsalsa]
#23986117 - 01/06/17 09:47 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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ballsalsa said: The point isn't to equalize all outcomes. The point is that nobody pulls themselves up by their own bootstraps. Some people are luckier than others, and the world might be a nicer place if we did away with the myth that successful people deserve all the credit for said success. This isn't to say that successful people don't deserve some credit for their success. They do, of course, but recognizing the role that luck plays in our lives might go far to increase peoples' empathy for those less fortunate.
"The point isn't to equalize all outcomes"
Tell that to racial liberals.
"recognizing the role that luck plays in our lives might go far"
How shall that "recognizing" take place? Sometimes we make our own luck, how would one quantify that reality?
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman] 2
#23986146 - 01/06/17 10:01 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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qman said: Sometimes we make our own luck, how would one quantify that reality?
No, we don't. One might make a mighty effort, but no one has control over luck (by definition).
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: ballsalsa]
#23986173 - 01/06/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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qman said: Sometimes we make our own luck, how would one quantify that reality?
No, we don't. One might make a mighty effort, but no one has control over luck (by definition).
If I give myself more opportunities to potentially get "lucky", haven't I statistically created my own good luck, if I were to get "lucky"?
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman] 2
#23986240 - 01/06/17 10:43 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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qman said: And smart kids do better than stupid kids, better looking kids do better than ugly kids, healthier kids do better than sick kids, shall I go on?
There's nothing equal about life, as soon as we are born we have advantages and disadvantages relative to our peers.
The ultimate goal is equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.
With the former, youve admitted there arent equal opportunities. With the latter, advocating them.
What would you do to make opportunities more equal (to any degree)?
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman]
#23986360 - 01/06/17 11:44 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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qman said: And smart kids do better than stupid kids, better looking kids do better than ugly kids, healthier kids do better than sick kids, shall I go on?
There's nothing equal about life, as soon as we are born we have advantages and disadvantages relative to our peers.
The ultimate goal is equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.
The point isn't to equalize all outcomes.
Tell that to racial liberals.
What "racial" liberals have called for equal outcomes? Please stop arguing with imaginary straw men, they're not here. No one here has called for equal outcomes. 
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ballsalsa said: Some people are luckier than others, and the world might be a nicer place if we did away with the myth that successful people deserve all the credit for said success. This isn't to say that successful people don't deserve some credit for their success. They do, of course, but recognizing the role that luck plays in our lives might go far to increase peoples' empathy for those less fortunate.
How shall that "recognizing" take place? Sometimes we make our own luck, how would one quantify that reality?
No, we don't. One might make a mighty effort, but no one has control over luck (by definition).

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You still have no clue what luck is, even after balls just explained it to you.
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Poor people never gave me anything. Rich people run the companies I've worked for and give me my regular pay check. People with money do business with us and pay us for our services.
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: Luddite] 1
#23986487 - 01/06/17 12:59 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Of course rich kids do better than poor kids. It's so obvious that it's not even worth saying.
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23986567 - 01/06/17 01:42 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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HU said: So work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same
Or bitch about being poor, keep blaming rich people for being poor, and condemn your children to the same fate
***One of these options is clearly better
Although I have you on ignore and can't see your posts here in the shroomery, I saw this post in my email since I started this thread, and now for I feel obligated to reply since you clearly don't get it (as usual).
Yes, of course you should "work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same". But the statistics show that if you're born poor, you won't get as far as you would if you're born rich. THAT'S the point.
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qman said: And smart kids do better than stupid kids, better looking kids do better than ugly kids, healthier kids do better than sick kids, shall I go on?
There's nothing equal about life, as soon as we are born we have advantages and disadvantages relative to our peers.
The ultimate goal is equal opportunities, not equal outcomes.
The point isn't to equalize all outcomes.
Tell that to racial liberals.
What "racial" liberals have called for equal outcomes? Please stop arguing with imaginary straw men, they're not here. No one here has called for equal outcomes. 
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ballsalsa said: Some people are luckier than others, and the world might be a nicer place if we did away with the myth that successful people deserve all the credit for said success. This isn't to say that successful people don't deserve some credit for their success. They do, of course, but recognizing the role that luck plays in our lives might go far to increase peoples' empathy for those less fortunate.
How shall that "recognizing" take place? Sometimes we make our own luck, how would one quantify that reality?
No, we don't. One might make a mighty effort, but no one has control over luck (by definition).

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qman said: If I give myself more opportunities to potentially get "lucky", haven't I statistically created my own good luck, if I were to get "lucky"?
You still have no clue what luck is, even after balls just explained it to you. 
I understand it clearly "success or failure apparently brought on by chance".
So if someone has more chances for "good" luck, then they would statistically have a better chance for "success" than the person who had less chances, it's called probability.
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HU said: So work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same
Or bitch about being poor, keep blaming rich people for being poor, and condemn your children to the same fate
***One of these options is clearly better
Although I have you on ignore and can't see your posts here in the shroomery, I saw this post in my email since I started this thread, and now for I feel obligated to reply since you clearly don't get it (as usual).
Yes, of course you should "work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same". But the statistics show that if you're born poor, you won't get as far as you would if you're born rich. THAT'S the point.
So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa.
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HU said: So work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same
Or bitch about being poor, keep blaming rich people for being poor, and condemn your children to the same fate
***One of these options is clearly better
Although I have you on ignore and can't see your posts here in the shroomery, I saw this post in my email since I started this thread, and now for I feel obligated to reply since you clearly don't get it (as usual).
Yes, of course you should "work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same". But the statistics show that if you're born poor, you won't get as far as you would if you're born rich. THAT'S the point.
Yeah, I got the point,
Clearly, you don't get mine
So just tell the poor to just keep bitching about it, that's clearly the better choice
***and then these people don't understand why they lost
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman] 1
#23987202 - 01/06/17 05:30 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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qman said: So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa.
Wut? Who said that? Another straw man?
You guys can't stop with the logical fallacies.
Are there any non-liberals in the political forum that know how to debate without constant logical fallacies??? Calling out one logical fallacy after another is getting boring...
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qman said: So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa.
Wut? Who said that? Another straw man?
You guys can't stop with the logical fallacies.
Are there any non-liberals in the political forum that know how to debate without constant logical fallacies??? Calling out one logical fallacy after another is getting boring...
I made a fucking comment, who even said I debating anything you're proposing? You're making a fool yourself.
Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
"Calling out one logical fallacy after another is getting boring"
Of course it is because not every post is about debate, you're missing the whole point and making an ass out of yourself.
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman]
#23987332 - 01/06/17 06:11 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Yes, of course you should "work hard, build yourself up, and teach your children to do the same". But the statistics show that if you're born poor, you won't get as far as you would if you're born rich. THAT'S the point.
So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa.
Wut? Who said that? Another straw man?
Are there any non-liberals in the political forum that know how to debate without constant logical fallacies???
I made a fucking comment, who even said I debating anything you're proposing? You're making a fool yourself.
Your response to my statement was "so if someone is poor they shouldn't have children", implying that was MY message. It was not.
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not every post is about debate, you're missing the whole point
Please tell us all what the point of making a sarcastic straw man argument is.
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman] 3
#23987417 - 01/06/17 06:38 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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qman said: If I give myself more opportunities to potentially get "lucky", haven't I statistically created my own good luck, if I were to get "lucky"?
No. If YOU give YOURSELF more opportunities to potentially get lucky, that is will, or perhaps, work. Feel free to congratulate yourself on a job well done. If, however, you are simply born with a last name or skin color or physical stature, etc, that affords you greater opportunity through no will or effort of your own, you got lucky. Don't get too proud, because you had nothing to do with it. Does that make sense?
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Re: Rich kids do better than poor kids [Re: qman]
#23987761 - 01/06/17 08:56 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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qman said: So if someone is poor they shouldn't have children, thank you Captain Obvious, now send that message to the continent of Africa.
Wut? Who said that? Another straw man?
You guys can't stop with the logical fallacies.
Are there any non-liberals in the political forum that know how to debate without constant logical fallacies??? Calling out one logical fallacy after another is getting boring...
I made a fucking comment, who even said I debating anything you're proposing? You're making a fool yourself.
Have you ever heard of sarcasm?
"Calling out one logical fallacy after another is getting boring"
Of course it is because not every post is about debate, you're missing the whole point and making an ass out of yourself.
That's usually how all his threads end up
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