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Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while?
    #23985361 - 01/05/17 10:18 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

16 days these rye jars.



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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23985372 - 01/05/17 10:23 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

rather blurry. i guess fruit now? whats your approach?


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23985380 - 01/05/17 10:26 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Looks like you have some uncolonized grains yet, which are probably bacterial.  Need better pics to say for sure.  Too dark and blurry.


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: WeavieWonder]
    #23985891 - 01/06/17 07:24 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

could i still make a mono.?



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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23985902 - 01/06/17 07:37 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

can i still get fruits from it?
and another question... in planing to do agar for the first time , using the plastic little bowls .
my plan is . if the grain has bacteria wich i hope not  put a grain in there so if there's any bacteria i can isolate the good myc. I hope go get fruits from this jars


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23985917 - 01/06/17 07:50 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

If you're concerned they aren't clean enough to spawn to bulk, then just fruit them right there in the jar.  They look to me like they'll fruit fine.  Open them up, put 1/4-1/2 inch of dry vermiculite over the top, wet it down and put em in a SGFC or small mono, jar and all ... You can even just put a ziploc baggy over the top of the jar instead of a fruiting chamber ... Plenty of people grow that way and get really good yields from it.

And definitely put a grain on agar or better, wait for pins to clone and put those on agar and clean those up.

Side pinning is a PITA with glass mason jars like that and a lot easier with the plastic PP5's, but you can still get good results straight out of those mason jars... 

RGS cased with Verm grown just that way ...




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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23985947 - 01/06/17 08:12 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

What could happen if I do the mono. Could I get contamination problem?
And also how will do the verm with the mono? Shake the jar and add verm. ?
What do you mean by wet it down?


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23985995 - 01/06/17 08:34 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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What could happen if I do the mono. Could I get contamination problem?
And also how will do the verm with the mono? Shake the jar and add verm. ?
What do you mean by wet it down?




If your jars do  have contamination in them (I can't say for sure) like someone else in the thread said they might, then spawning them to bulk is risky.  Might work, might not.  Contamination risk increases a lot when you spawn it.  If you believe it's clean, then go for it.

If you want to fruit right in the jar which lowers the risk a lot, then you just put the bottles into a mono.  Here's a tek by someone that has mastered fruiting jars in monos and in there is how he uses a mono with his jars.  You'll have to read down quite a ways to get to the monotub part ... but that tek is good to read anyways.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168958

In terms of the Verm, you just spoon enough on top of the colonized grain in the jar to cover it at least 1/4 inch ... then you spray it with water until it's nice and wet and glistening and then, if it gets dry, spray it some more the same way you would a PF Tek Cake.  I that tek, he shows with pictures how to do it, BTW.

Seriously, though, if you've got a plan you want to go through with and spawn to bulk, then do it.  Unless the jars are obviously contaminated, of course.


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23986118 - 01/06/17 09:48 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Definitely got some bacteria going on in those jars.  You can top fruit, or spawn to bulk using a high spawn to bulk ratio.  It's a crap shoot, but sometimes they work out.


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23986135 - 01/06/17 09:57 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)
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the myc and the grain on have a little bit of water on the bottom. not pooling.
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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23986137 - 01/06/17 09:58 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

should i wait for all the grain to colonize of do the mono today?


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23986142 - 01/06/17 10:00 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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the myc and the grain on have a little bit of water on the bottom. not pooling.
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While not a big deal at all for top fruiting, a bit of pooling water in the jar when you are spawning to bulk is a factor to take into consideration.  Maybe your grain was a bit too wet or maybe it's evidence of some contamination.


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23986180 - 01/06/17 10:17 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Ok to get this cleared and out of my head. Can I spawn the mono today?
Can I buy a mini tub and use at least 3 or 4 qts. And the other to top fruit?
Use more spawn to sub for faster Colonization in the miji mono.


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23986220 - 01/06/17 10:37 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Spawn today if you like.  How you proceed is up to you.  If you go the bulk route, use a 1:1 ratio, 2:1 at the least.  If you top fruit, throw a casing layer on top of those jars. Good luck.


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: WeavieWonder]
    #23986233 - 01/06/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

By casing layer you mean vermiculite?
And should I pasteurize the verm?


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23986242 - 01/06/17 10:44 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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By casing layer you mean vermiculite?
And should I pasteurize the verm?




Yes, vermiculite is the casing.  No need to pasteurize vermiculite.  For top casing jars, I PC sterilize a jar of dry verm and just keep it handy as one jar of vermiculite will top case at least 20 jars of colonized substrate for fruiting, and just spoon it into the jars from that... but you don't have to do that.  I don't think there's any reason or benefit at all to pasteurizing vermiculite.

Follow the tek carefully, however, for spawning to bulk as the need for pastuerization is completely different.  Vermiculite, when used alone for casing, has a low level of contamination risk because it's non-nutritive.  When you add things like coir and others for bulk grows, that changes the equation a lot.


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23986395 - 01/06/17 12:01 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

I'm a little bit confused...
You are saying that for my grains just add verm on top?
And also you told me to follow the tek carefully. But reading the tek tells me to add verm and coco mix. Like pasteurize the substrate, mix everything and load the jars?


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Re: Spawn ready.? Or wait a little while? [Re: FoTwenty]
    #23986416 - 01/06/17 12:16 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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I'm a little bit confused...
You are saying that for my grains just add verm on top?
And also you told me to follow the tek carefully. But reading the tek tells me to add verm and coco mix. Like pasteurize the substrate, mix everything and load the jars?




Two different things here ...

1) If you spawn to bulk you mix grains with a bulk substrate like Coir/Verm/Gypsum or manure or straw ... those needs to be pasteurized.  Read the spawn to bulk mono teks

2) If you just fruit from the jar, all you do is put a few spoonfuls of verm on top of the jar, wet it and fruit it from the jar.  In this case the verm, being used alone, doesn't really need to be pasteurized although, as I said, I sterilize mine although I don't know if it makes any difference at all.

From Muda's tek, you ALREADY HAVE colonized jars.  You're aren't mixing new jars.  You're fruiting them.  So the only part that applies to you is the part after it's fully colonized where he shows how he puts verm on top and puts them in a mono to fruit.  He puts THE JARS in a mono, he doesn't spawn to bulk. 


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