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WeAreMushroom
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San Pedro Extraction Questions!
#23984919 - 01/05/17 07:20 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Hey guys, I've got 4 PC Pedros that are each around 15" tall. They vary in thickness from 3" to 2", and I have to cut them down because they have really bad scale, so bad that it's been eating the entire outside of all 4 cacti. I've been spraying daily with neem oil for over a week, and rubbing 91% isopropyl on the skin to kill the scale, but to no avail.
It's been advancing as quickly as ever, so it's time for me to cut them down and eat them. I've tasted the insides of them, and they all seem to be quite bitter, the largest one tasting kind of like dial hand soap. The smaller ones are less bitter, and more grassy tasting, but they really have to go before the scale spreads to the rest of my garden.


I'd like to go the route of encapsulating cactus tar, and eating a couple capsules as opposed to drinking some horrible brew. Also, I won't have time to take the cactus for a couple weeks, so I want to be able to capsule up the resulting goo for later consumption.
Is it as simple as making a good, thorough tea and then boiling it down until there's no water left in the combined filtered boils?
Or is it a more thorough extraction method to put the blended cactus in a jar with high-proof alcohol, to let the alcohol evaporate, and then to eat the full spectrum of what the alcohol pulls?
Thanks for helping me out here guys.
Edited by WeAreMushroom (01/05/17 07:21 PM)
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connectedcosmos
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Cut all four down, leave the stumps and roots intact so the stubs pup and create more cacti, dry them powderize them then soak em in a jar with 70% alchohol for 2 days each pull , pull all of em into a evap dish and fan dry or dehydrator that sucker you'll yield a sticky resin tar if its to sticky to touch use alittle flour on it it'll help you roll it into balls, that's my recommendation, as for potency the mescaline content is highly highly variable meaning you could have mulltiple trips or one strong one or none at all,
Erowid has the whole mescaline content per trichocerus pachanoi so you can figure out the *estimated* dose via that,
My experience i cut down two feet of bridgesii and did the alcohol tek on the cactus it waa 46 grams dry and I yielded like 5 grams of tar and 3 grams of that tar had me spun in the sun! The whole nine yards , anywho good luck on your endeavors !! I will keep checkin this thread to see hopefully an update or trip report!
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connectedcosmos
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Oh yeah I stored my tar in my freezer for six months and did not degrade at all, alzo I have never tried the tea but I doubt I ever will because of the taste people report , tar balls swallow like pills lol
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You dont NEED to cut them if you don't want, you can spray them and then take a toothbrush to the scale, they will come right off. Do that every few days and you will be fine. Now, maybe you want to cut them anyway, I get that.
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Re: San Pedro Extraction Questions! [Re: mandrin13]
#23985539 - 01/05/17 11:55 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Make soup. I made bridgesii soup using 20 inches bridgesii and cooked it for 5 hours reducing to about 2 or 3 cups and then added basil and sugar and left the cacti in. It was really good
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WeAreMushroom
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Re: San Pedro Extraction Questions! [Re: mandrin13]
#23985924 - 01/06/17 07:54 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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mandrin13 said: You dont NEED to cut them if you don't want, you can spray them and then take a toothbrush to the scale, they will come right off. Do that every few days and you will be fine. Now, maybe you want to cut them anyway, I get that.
I do need to cut them down. If you look closely at the pic in the OP, you can see that there's large chunks missing all over the surface of all four cacti.
I've been spraying them twice a day with a neem oil solution concentrated at twice the strength recommended by the manufacturer, I've been picking PILES of scale off left and right, but it still spreads so rapidly that it's impossible for me to work a job and keep up with trying to keep my Pedros scale free.
It's such a hassle, and I don't want to lose the entire surface area of my trichs to the scale before I have to chop them up.
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lol, that picture is so awful that was not even recognizable to me.
I am sure you know what you are dealing with since it is there in front of you, but were you extremely negligent originally? I have never had scale take out chunks of my plants...not saying they won't, but are you sure it is only scale, and not a combo of pests? Only asking.
edit: I have had some significant scale experience in the past 
Edited by mandrin13 (01/06/17 01:18 PM)
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WeAreMushroom
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Re: San Pedro Extraction Questions! [Re: mandrin13]
#23986525 - 01/06/17 01:19 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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mandrin13 said: lol, that picture is so awful that was not even recognizable to me.
I am sure you know what you are dealing with since it is there in front of you, but were you extremely negligent originally? I have never had scale take out chunks of my plants...not saying they won't, but are you sure it is only scale, and not a combo of pests? Only asking.
The picture is bad, as is my camera.
The scale patches were so large and sunken in when I bout the cacti that I was relatively sure that it was severe sunburn. I didn't really give it much thought, and realized as winter progressed that the spots were actually changing...even though they hadn't been exposed to much sun. This was indicative of a pest to me and I removed all the spots a week or two ago, taking out large chunks of the cacti in the process.
The scale has since reestablished it's hold on the area where I cut it off, and I spent 2+ hours last night removing more scale spots where it had regrown. This morning, I woke to see more spots, despite my best efforts.
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WeAreMushroom said:
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mandrin13 said: lol, that picture is so awful that was not even recognizable to me.
I am sure you know what you are dealing with since it is there in front of you, but were you extremely negligent originally? I have never had scale take out chunks of my plants...not saying they won't, but are you sure it is only scale, and not a combo of pests? Only asking.
The picture is bad, as is my camera.
The scale patches were so large and sunken in when I bout the cacti that I was relatively sure that it was severe sunburn. I didn't really give it much thought, and realized as winter progressed that the spots were actually changing...even though they hadn't been exposed to much sun. This was indicative of a pest to me and I removed all the spots a week or two ago, taking out large chunks of the cacti in the process.
The scale has since reestablished it's hold on the area where I cut it off, and I spent 2+ hours last night removing more scale spots where it had regrown. This morning, I woke to see more spots, despite my best efforts.
That makes sense to me now, thanks. After you resolve this, in the future it is pretty easy to remove them every so often with a brush as mentioned, though they leave behind small blemishes, the bastards. Good luck, they are problematic for me here, but much less of a problem as other pests since they are fairly slow.
At least now you get to find out how they taste!
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