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 Mushenstein
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 Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA  [Re: MudaFuka]
#23982178 - 01/04/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think poo or coffee adds potency to the end product or is it just a health and nutrient thing for the fruit to be bigger or flush better?
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: bodhisatta]
#23982193 - 01/04/17 06:31 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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bod, did you case any of the tubs you have in your signature? I read all of these threads about casing and performance. In my limited experience I didn't use it and things went fine. Is there really a benefit of casing, and if so what is it actually?
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bodhisatta  
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23982245 - 01/04/17 06:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No I rarely case if I do it's a bit of verm or leftover CVG
Potency is genetics the substrate plays no noticeable role in that. Our substrates mixed with spawn are often overly nutritional anyway. With water being the weak link to get all the potential out of the grow.
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: bodhisatta]
#23982418 - 01/04/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Then Im not understanding. If coir, verm, gypsum creates fantastic flushed, which it does, why do people waste their time with poo and high nitro supplements/substrates?
Same with casing, seems it just doesn't have that mush of an effect save for adding a bit of water. Why waste the time when the difference is negligible?
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MudaFuka
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23982436 - 01/04/17 08:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know. I used to add coffee and shit because I thought it would make a big difference. After I figured out how little it really helped. I stopped doing it.
Casing for cubes doesn't really improve the grow. It just makes it easier to maintain good conditions.
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: MudaFuka]
#23983308 - 01/05/17 08:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You just said a million words in three sentences. Its unfortunate no one else chimed in to give their support or feed back for "casing" and the use of "high nitrogen" supplements such as poo and coffee substrates as opposed to non cased tubs and coir/verm substrates.
Would you say that with caseing and/or poo/coffee substrates you would get more then 3 flushes like you get with coir/verm/gypsum???
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23983543 - 01/05/17 10:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've gone for 6 flushes with CVG. Moste of the nutrition is in the grain spawn. If you want more nuts for later flushes. Use more spawn.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23983558 - 01/05/17 10:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mushenstein said:
Its unfortunate no one else chimed in to give their support or feed back for "casing" and the use of "high nitrogen" supplements such as poo and coffee substrates as opposed to non cased tubs and coir/verm substrates.
Would you say that with caseing and/or poo/coffee substrates you would get more then 3 flushes like you get with coir/verm/gypsum???
Probably because you were stubborn on page one with the stuff you found yourself lol. You'll find people that say all different things here too. You need to do your research too.
Some people use poo because they get it free. Some people are religiously dogmatic and think poo does a better job but can't seem to prove it ever...
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: bodhisatta]
#23983605 - 01/05/17 10:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The wonder of coffee grounds revolves around its overall ph and carbon nitrogen. Not just nitrogen. Too high a ratio and nutrients slow to mineralize and uptake. Too low a ratio and bacteria spread like wildfire. Coffee i believe is 30:1
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: MudaFuka]
#23983616 - 01/05/17 11:05 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I can't say that I've heard that from anyone, but your logic is sound.
It is the same with LC's and DF agar. Adding potato water would help with overall health and longevity? Or is it better to stay with the original recipes?
I was talking about adding like a teaspoon of potato water, not a whole soak in the original water.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: pblcenmy1]
#23983618 - 01/05/17 11:07 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
pblcenmy1 said:
Too low a ratio and bacteria spread like wildfire. Coffee i believe is 30:1
Can you elaborate on this. Pretend I'm an idiot. Which isn't too far off.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23983630 - 01/05/17 11:10 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Potatoes are starchy. Use a yam
With the ratio consider carbon the dry areas of substrate and nitrogen being the wet. Too much wet and its a bacteria soup. Too dry and nothing really happens until the balance gets near medium.
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: pblcenmy1]
#23984723 - 01/05/17 06:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well, I bought a yam tonight on the way home from work. Who woulda figured the little store would have a yam....Ha. I felt ridiculous putting a yam up on the counter. The cashier even laughed. .45 cents.
By the way I have done a lot of reading about casings and its hard to find any consistency. I will have to do my own trials and errors after I get this agar down. I did find a hell of a way to do petri's and let them sit until the end of time sterilized, until I want to use them.
Vacuum seal and then PC. Leave in the the vacuum seal and they are forever sterilized until use. At least I think that's how they work.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23984784 - 01/05/17 06:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are those vacuume bags autoclave able?
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: MudaFuka]
#23984832 - 01/05/17 06:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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You bet. bought the ones right out of Wal-Mart that go with the vacuum seal machine. PC'd one last night with a syringe in it to see if the seal would break. Pc'd at 14 psi for over an hour. Seal is intact. No leaks, No damage to the bag or the syringe.
Unfortunately, I bought the "power pressure cooker" advertised on late night tv with the sham wow and the slap chop. But it still does the trick at 14 psi, I just set it for an extra 10-15 minutes when I pc something.
But hell yeah. Petris, syringes and everything else can sit in the bags vacuum tight and sterile until I decide to use it.
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MudaFuka
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23985146 - 01/05/17 08:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice.
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: MudaFuka]
#23985354 - 01/05/17 10:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Update: A few eggs must be broken in the process of every quasi new idea. I broke a small petri after it was vacuum sealed. The vacuum was a little to tight. Note to self, press the seal button on the vacuum sealer before the vacuum gets ungodly tight and breaks the petri dish. Of course these are glass (flint) petri's and the larger ones didn't have this problem, but it just breaks my heart to hear a flint petri go POP! So be forewarned if you try this.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23985367 - 01/05/17 10:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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could you vacuum seal a wedge and freeze it? or does that kill the culture?
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MudaFuka
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: mushboy]
#23985373 - 01/05/17 10:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeaaaaahhhh. Don't do that.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: MudaFuka]
#23985374 - 01/05/17 10:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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