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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Amanita86] 7
#23991342 - 01/07/17 11:48 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Dey aint mean no harm dey was jus axing him directions.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23991348 - 01/07/17 11:49 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Adden]
#23991428 - 01/08/17 12:43 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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we are now 17 pages deep in this topic, and no one has mentioned anything about the chicago chief of police who called the acts of violence "childish stupidity"
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Asante] 2
#23991595 - 01/08/17 03:58 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Asante said: Doesn't anyone but Akira understand English here?
When you are being an idiot you are having an excursion into idiot like behavior. If you are an idiot, excursions are not an option.
But you know this, its just another example of the same obstructionist tactic of insincerely pretending not to understand a plain fact, in this case basic languange comprehension so the person is stopped from making his point any further and must backtrack to explain in this case elementary school English and if he doesnt, just hammer on his unwillingness to spoonfeed you a basic concept from your native language to further attack him rather than deal with the issue at hand.
Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct at all cost the enemies of your ideology even if it kills everything in a ten mile radius or makes the federal gevernent shut down for a few days just to make a point at the expense of everything and everyone.
Enjoy your Trump.
Fucking botulism man, excreting poison until you are alone in the pond.
Funny a non native speaker would say akira akuma understands English 
Y so serious bro? Not enough mxe shoved into your ass?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: 404]
#23991599 - 01/08/17 04:11 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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404 said: we are now 17 pages deep in this topic, and no one has mentioned anything about the chicago chief of police who called the acts of violence "childish stupidity"
I just popped in but yea I am surprised they havent been calling for his head, they should. Chiraq is now known nationally as a SHIT HOLE and the head cop is calling this a case of kids being kids? Lol, gtfo, I will never step foot in Illinois.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma]
#23991677 - 01/08/17 06:40 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: I don't care what you prefer. I only care that you understand my meaning. And you do, whether you admit it or not.
this is a common problem. it's just that what you think it's...erm...how do i say this without being rude....well, it's not important, either way...your feelings are not really relevant if you want me to be frank, which is presume so....if no one's feelings are to be considered, then why should yours?
I was telling you my feelings as a direct result to you telling yours. You said "I prefer 'acting like...'". And I said I don't care what you prefer. Because as a speaker, I only care that you understand what I mean when I say "You are an asshole." If you take that as a damnation of some kind, then you misunderstood what I mean. Context is key. Whether you say "You are an asshole" or "You are acting like an asshole" ARE VERY OFTEN USED TO MEAN THE SAME THING. And whether or not you admit that, it is still true.
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Now, I actually missed that post by Asante. I had no idea he called me a name. But thanks for reposting it.
didn't call you a name. if you want to be truly honest with yourself here, you'll have to admit some thing: you're don't like PC language? then stop whinging when someone uses harsh language to chastise you. it's not called name calling it. it's called telling someone they are acting like a piece of shit. would you let your best friend just act like a piece of shit, or would you tell him that he's acting up?
Show me where I whined about him calling me a name. I just said I was unaware that he did so. And apparently, you're still unaware of that, because of your insistence that saying 'you are acting like' is different than 'you are a ' in most contexts. Your refusal to do this makes you look ridiculous.
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Is Asante black? No. Are you black? No. Has any black person complained about the use of the word? No. Are either of you elected to speak for black people? No. Are you elected to speak for the subset of black people who feel harmed by even hearing the word, even knowing it was referring to other people? No. Have any such people made any complaints? No.
As a non-black person, is it not racist for Asante to assume that black people would be so offended by the title of this thread that they couldn't possibly even be able to contribute to the conversation, OR even say, "that word offends me. please don't use it." They are THAT unable to conduct themselves?
you guys took it there. not him. that's your mistake. your problem. that's the thing. you people, you're always the same. always. all too human. you don't realize where you're coming from, whether you're coming or going, and all you do is talk.
he didn't bring up control of language- you did. all he said was
You are just lying. Asante did in fact say that he was concerned that there was no possible way a balanced conversation could arise with such language in the title. That was his concern and you quoted it. Tell me what he meant by that, if he didn't mean "black people can't handle seeing derogatory terms used to describe other people".
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Herbologist said: They are hood rats.
"hoodrat" is not a neutral terminology. Its a derogatory word just like nigger and faggot. Nobody is a hoodrat.
you guys couldn't debate him on that: your response was "YOu gonna go tell your mommy?" -- like liz's response was "get outta here your PC bullshit!"
hypocrisy is starting to actually taste bitter around here.
It's a derogatory term. So what?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23991696 - 01/08/17 07:08 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Again, my point is not that Asante is a racist. He just wants to approach policing. And I was coarse with you Asante, and I apologize for it. I was trying to make the point that namecalling is not abuse. Maybe poorly. But I understand that you are worthy of respect and I certainly respect you starting this conversation.
But I want to draw a sharper line between name calling and damnation.
I think this is the point of contention.
The title of this thread could definitely be argued to be damnation.
But it is talking about damnation of four specific individuals. This is clear because the video of them is presented, and many react by damning them too. Their behavior is self-evident in that regard as damnable.
And any reasonable black person would see that, I am confident.
He would not take it as a damnation of his race, I would argue if I were to presume to speak for black people, which I will not.
And in the end my ony question would be whether or not you are doing that when you make the statement mentioned above..about the possibility of a balanced discussion.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23992317 - 01/08/17 12:42 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Show me where I whined about him calling me a name. I just said I was unaware that he did so. And apparently, you're still unaware of that, because of your insistence that saying 'you are acting like' is different than 'you are a ' in most contexts. Your refusal to do this makes you look ridiculous.
no, you have to look more carefully at one is said to partake in a conversation. it's just like the unspoken rule, oddly enough. you have to listen. it's weird.
but i never said anything about you whining about him calling you a name...i said you should stop whining about the use of the words "piece of shit" (preemptively- if anything), and then whining about how the words "hood-rat" actually has a meaning that isn't ascribed to in this thread, when the word is used; you should just accept that when Asante said what he said, he wasn't using the context of him thinking you're literally a bad guy...when he said what he said. no, he was just making a comment about how you appear when you make the claims that you made, to Asante.
just like when you say "hood-rat", you might not mean one sort of connotation (say, the aspect of a "hood-rat" ie, a young woman who hangs out in "da streets", who is presumably a sexual lush. you see, you don't mean "hood-rat" in that manner, do you? no. you mean it in just the typical "he's from the hood, and he engages in activity that would strictly reserved for a "Hood-rat" ie breaking & entering, doing drugs, fighting, ect...BAD STUFF.
right? two different connotations.
same difference.
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You are just lying. Asante did in fact say that he was concerned that there was no possible way a balanced conversation could arise with such language in the title. That was his concern and you quoted it. Tell me what he meant by that, if he didn't mean "black people can't handle seeing derogatory terms used to describe other people".
i'm not lying. you're actually just very confused and almost come across as weepy.
Asante was asking why that word was used. he may have been concerned with how the conversation will go using that word...sure. it's his business, he can share his opinions if he wants. just because he has his concerns, doesn't mean he tried to policing any of your language. that's absurd. that's like saying i'm trying to police your language by simply disagree with you. that's, as i said, absurd & ill logic.
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It's a derogatory term. So what?
my only qualm with the term is that i've proven it to be a term that no one really agrees on the full context of it's meaning- because it is simply a snarl word with no real benefit to it's usage, other than to have a new snarl word (that bitch is a hood-rat, yo! -- how original).
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Funny a non native speaker would say akira akuma understands English
i have a better understanding of English than most people in this thread arguing that they "know" what hood-rat means, even though there is clearly both disagreement, and also no real common usage of the word, so there is no strict definition for the word. it was a word invented BY people who clearly needed a new word to impart to STREET LINGO, essentially, and the word is clearly for people who have a stunted vocabulary, and/or buy into this street lingo as having a concrete definition invented by someone who probably had an 8th grade education and didn't read or write, and sold in the trap for a living.
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Senor_Doobie said: Again, my point is not that Asante is a racist. He just wants to approach policing. And I was coarse with you Asante, and I apologize for it. I was trying to make the point that namecalling is not abuse. Maybe poorly. But I understand that you are worthy of respect and I certainly respect you starting this conversation.
But I want to draw a sharper line between name calling and damnation.
I think this is the point of contention.
The title of this thread could definitely be argued to be damnation.
But it is talking about damnation of four specific individuals. This is clear because the video of them is presented, and many react by damning them too. Their behavior is self-evident in that regard as damnable.
And any reasonable black person would see that, I am confident.
He would not take it as a damnation of his race, I would argue if I were to presume to speak for black people, which I will not.
And in the end my ony question would be whether or not you are doing that when you make the statement mentioned above..about the possibility of a balanced discussion.
maybe that would have been a more useful post earlier, because Asante was basically ousted for sharing his opinion.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23992387 - 01/08/17 01:08 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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"You are acting like a doctor" does not mean the same thing as "You are a doctor." Likewise, "You are acting like an idiot" does not mean "You are an idiot."
Telling someone they are an idiot suggests they could never not be an idiot. Saying they are being an idiot suggests they are acting out of their normal behavior/character.
It is a subtle distinction but it exists nonetheless.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23992444 - 01/08/17 01:31 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: "You are acting like a doctor" does not mean the same thing as "You are a doctor." Likewise, "You are acting like an idiot" does not mean "You are an idiot."
if someone is giving you health advice and 'acting like a doctor' then they are in fact playing the part of a doctor, it doesnt mean they're licensed to practice medicine but none the less that would be pretty close to the same as trying to be a doctor, the great thing about idiocy, you dont need a license for it
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Telling someone they are an idiot suggests they could never not be an idiot.
bullshit, maybe in your own narrow minded view but the reality is that telling someone they're an idiot is merely expressing your opinion of them just as telling them they're acting like an idiot is
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#23992523 - 01/08/17 02:02 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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If someone is doing something that is momentarily idiotic, and telling them they are being an idiot, it gives them the chance to correct their behavior. It does not mean your opinion of them is that they are an idiot, but that in that moment they are behaving like one. By saying they are an idiot, it removes this chance and solidifies your opinion that they are an idiot, regardless of what they do.
One statement is describing a behavior, the other statement is describing a character trait.
Also, "Pretty close" and "The same as" are not congruent.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#23992540 - 01/08/17 02:10 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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MrBlueYoMind said: If someone is doing something that is momentarily idiotic, and telling them they are being an idiot, it gives them the chance to correct their behavior. It does not mean your opinion of them is that they are an idiot, but that in that moment they are behaving like one. By saying they are an idiot, it removes this chance and solidifies your opinion that they are an idiot, regardless of what they do.
One statement is describing a behavior, the other statement is describing a character trait.
Also, "Pretty close" and "The same as" are not congruent.
if someone is doing something idiotic and you say something then you're telling them that they are in fact being an idiot at that time, yes, it does give them a chance to correct that behavior but it doesnt mean they were not in your opinion, being an idiot at the time, there is no difference in saying "you're an idiot" and "you're being an idiot", both convey the exact same message but you choose to see it differently because you wanted to add a time limiting qualifier
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23992704 - 01/08/17 03:13 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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it's not a time limiting qualifier. sounds lovely, but that's not what "it" is.
"it" is just a different phraseology, one that distributes a different context for the using of the words that were, indeed, used.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma]
#23992724 - 01/08/17 03:22 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: it's not a time limiting qualifier. sounds lovely, but that's not what "it" is.
"it" is just a different phraseology, one that distributes a different context for the using of the words that were, indeed, used.
so then you're stating that they are in fact an idiot because of their behavior
what happens when they cease the behavior, are they no longer being an idiot?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23992767 - 01/08/17 03:36 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Chicago is in a staye as fucked as Ohio. Didn't pence come from around that anus of America?
Some how i don't think back woods inbreeding religious ideals will save us.
The kids are ignorant and the way the justice system educates isn't any better. 20 years won't save them or society. Honestly the disabled kid learned his place. Stay away from kids that think they are street wise because they are justice system babies.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23992768 - 01/08/17 03:36 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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it's a figure of speech. you're being an idiot can also mean "you're being absurd".
it can mean lots of things. it's good to not endorse and advertise stupidity. let's hold the same standard of care for everyone...not just Asante. you're all just like "yeah Hood-Rat, that's a real legitimate word!" - no, it's not. it's a retarded slang word that probably was invented by people that probably didn't think they were "hood-rats" but were.
and "so if you're saying he's 'being a POS', that means something else than straight-up calling him a POS" -- yeah...exactly! it's called being able to speak English....
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Morel Guy]
#23992813 - 01/08/17 03:50 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Chicago is in a staye as fucked as Ohio. Didn't pence come from around that anus of America?
Some how i don't think back woods inbreeding religious ideals will save us.
The kids are ignorant and the way the justice system educates isn't any better. 20 years won't save them or society. Honestly the disabled kid learned his place. Stay away from kids that think they are street wise because they are justice system babies.
so the justice system is educating the kids?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23992819 - 01/08/17 03:51 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: it's not a time limiting qualifier. sounds lovely, but that's not what "it" is.
"it" is just a different phraseology, one that distributes a different context for the using of the words that were, indeed, used.
so then you're stating that they are in fact an idiot because of their behavior
what happens when they cease the behavior, are they no longer being an idiot?
The parole board would want them to cease the capability of being an idiot as per their definition of idiot.
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#23992821 - 01/08/17 03:51 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: and "so if you're saying he's 'being a POS', that means something else than straight-up calling him a POS" -- yeah...exactly! it's called being able to speak English....
so what does it mean when asante is telling doobie "you're being an entitled piece of shit"
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