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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: qman]
#23989669 - 01/07/17 02:19 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I mean, you can think that all you want, but you don't have any evidence for it.
For all we know, they are psychopaths. Or a combination of psychopaths and normies...I mean, they forgot that they are over 18 now, so they can't cut into someone's scalp?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: qman]
#23989673 - 01/07/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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nice post again, qman, good stuff. 
and yes, they fucked up, hard. those morons. (it's a stumbling block to just call them morons, but meh, the juice has already been had...i mean, these guys are more than morons...they are self-abased idiotlatry to finest degree of sculpting.- but because they were stupid, and yes mayhaps DUPED, not because they were common thugs...they are, if anything, uncommon for one reason, i find, anyway...and that's because they are spurred on politically more than anything...this isn't a counter-currency play...this isn't a petty beef between gang members...this isn't even necessarily about whitey, though it's hard to ignore how it gets thrown in there, undeniably, and people should discuss that...white devil preachers need to stfu...but i really think it's more about Trump, than it is about white people. honestly. the white people hate is just...contrived. i don't even think half the people honestly belief their own bullshit when they speak on it, half the time.
it's helpful to apply Hanlon's Razor, in instances where...people are cool and calm and collected. even better if they are not, but...harder.
but yeah, in my opinion, i think these people are being duped by a propaganda movement, in general, and they are just absolute fools.
or they thought this kid they kidnapped was a target for another reason, and threw all that political/race shit in there cause it's popular to do now...or it was a side-issue to them...but no...why would they record it then, saying all those things...it's gotta be to make a point like "what should happen to Trump supporters".
which is just really really stupid. very. words can't even describe.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23989679 - 01/07/17 02:22 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Well, since you didn't address one claim of my argument really, I guess I'll just move on unless Asante wants a crack.
Nice try though, I guess.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23989682 - 01/07/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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your argument wasn't really that great. the proposition is too verbose, it's like you don't need all those headers to make your point. plus, you haven't addressed anyone else's argument either, so why should i be beholden to answering to yours? and my argument is in a simplistic statement of rhetoric.
go on now, Skeeter.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Senor_Doobie] 1
#23989685 - 01/07/17 02:26 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Just curious what was the size of your graduating class? Was it urban rural or suburban?
If you havent gone to school in an urban environment I dont think youre going to understand just how much damage kids will try to inflict on eachother emotionally. Im sure these kids got picked on as well... Either that or their parents were delinquents. Not to excuse what they did at all but it paints a more full picture of why it happened.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23989687 - 01/07/17 02:27 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: I mean, you can think that all you want, but you don't have any evidence for it.
For all we know, they are psychopaths. Or a combination of psychopaths and normies...I mean, they forgot that they are over 18 now, so they can't cut into someone's scalp?
The better case would be that all four were "psychopaths", but unfortunately I think this type of bullying and abusive behavior is commonplace in their culture.
This is why we have a divided nation, we have completely different cultures living within another culture.
I know of a few (white) highly educated people that decided to become school teacher's in city public schools with a predominately minority student body, they could not relate to the behavior and attitude of the minority administrators and students because it was so different from the world they lived in the past 28 years.
They both quit their jobs, one after 2 weeks and the other after 2 months, it was unbearable to work with those people.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma] 6
#23989689 - 01/07/17 02:28 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Akira accusing someone else of being verbose. This thread delivers.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: ModestMouse]
#23989692 - 01/07/17 02:28 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Just curious what was the size of your graduating class? Was it urban rural or suburban?
If you havent gone to school in an urban environment I dont think youre going to understand just how much damage kids will try to inflict on eachother emotionally. Im sure these kids got picked on as well... Either that or their parents were delinquents. Not to excuse what they did at all but it paints a more full picture of why it happened.
it's so much less simplistic too.
which is a bad way to find out how simplistic one thing or another can be- it's a distraction from actually breaking down the issue into it's finer details to look for Occam's Razor, as it were.
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paradox is often the way to the truth...about lies.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Asante] 4
#23989698 - 01/07/17 02:30 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: Exactly. Restricting the right of others to use the language they see fit is an abuse of privilege.
I'm one of the few people who enable you to even have a Shroomery. OK?
The Admins are tired of all the whining on this site, that's a good part of the reason you see so little of most of us. Jesus christ you're being an entitled piece of shit right here.
tell us about the moral high ground again
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Asante] 3
#23989703 - 01/07/17 02:32 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Asante said: I'm not even "being PC" I just have norms and values that are not shared by a large segment of the community.
"nigger." "please don't say nigger." "quit being pc."
Its called not being an asshole. An asshole says nigger.
so black people are assholes
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23989707 - 01/07/17 02:34 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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This is why we have a divided nation, we have completely different cultures living within another culture.
the culture of "blacks" in America is hardly different. rap culture, no, diss culture, should be considered a solely American phenomena. as it is.
it's just a poison one that exemplifies everything that's shitty already, but then panders it to blacks, predominantly....and whites now too, but that's besides the point.
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no, you tell it again, it's better when you tell it. right?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma]
#23989713 - 01/07/17 02:35 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Sorry if it was too complex for you akira. Like I said, maybe Asante will take me up. It was your idea I propose the debate with him. Then you jump in trying to break it apart, and you failed, and that's fine.
qman, That is an interesting dynamic. The idea of multiple cultures interacting. It's interesting to call them cultures and not classes, which I think might be more accurate. Would you agree?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23989749 - 01/07/17 02:51 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: Ok.
Asante, I think you're a nancy boy.
My claim is based on the following:
1. You are in a position of authority.
(so?)
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2. You are privileged with the ability to police the forums.
(ok, and?)
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3. You are targeting language and you are in a position of authority.
(no, he isn't "targeting" anything. his opinion is that the word hoodrat seems entirely more suggestive than what seems to be the case, in how the word is taken in common vernacular of America- this is partly why he should "shush", right? because this is just how people talk? well, he thinks it's stupid or something...that doesn't mean he's "targeting" anything.)
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4. From 1,2, and 3: a reason the word seems to have meaning to you could be because you see it as a potential call to duty.
(i do believe he thinks that the rhetoric gets far out of hand in the pub, into the realm of the blatantly hateful (as he sees it)...he doesn't want to see the shroomery endorse that. we've already lost the...let's say the "good graces"...of some black posters, whom don't really endorse THEMSELVES...i wonder why. oh that's because of the above reasons stated. the rhetoric. it's gnarly rhetoric that has more power than people tend to care about. i say rhetoric even trumps logic, cause at some point logic breaks down, and it becomes simply about whom can you convince...but i digress, i think i made my point here.)
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5. You are speaking for a hypothetical group of people. That group is "those who would be done special harm by hearing a specific term uttered about a specific set of individuals in a specific case and having nothing to do with them personally."
(or maybe he just wants the place to seem like it's not always on the brink of some ideological battle due the rhetoric being levelled here. and this is relatively tame for shroomery standards; probably why Asante is being harangued...but that's besides the point. he's allowed to stand for what he wishes; maybe he's considered himself patient thus far. who knows.)
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6. Those supporting you also speak for this hypothetical group.
(no.)
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7. No actual member of this group has stepped forward and said "Use of that term does me special harm."
(a certain poster here has stated in the past how that rhetoric is, basically, as he put, and i'm paraphrasing here cause i haven't the exact quote but...it's degenerative and simply is worth ignoring. this, in and of itself, speaks to how the rhetoric is unlike how you say.)
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8. You presume to know that the best treatment for that hypothetical condition would be for them not to hear such language.
(no. that's an assumption on your part. i think Asante simply was genuinely curious as to why the phraseology was the way it was.)
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9. From 4-8, you are acting for a reason that is undetermined, but that serves no one involved.
(his opinion has to serve someone? i don't think so. otherwise, there'd be a little more ideological weight to movements.)
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10. If number 4 is the only other reason then we can conclude from item 9 that you are actually identifying targets and justifying them as targets.
(your presumption. and an ironic one. methinks you doth protest too much? maybe? nah. it can only be Asante that does that.)
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11. This behavior is often apparent in little girls who hear someone use a bad word.
(poisoning the well, not worth addressing.)
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14. Nancy boy is a word used to describe an individual of #13.
(argument failed.)
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The idea of multiple cultures interacting. It's interesting to call them cultures and not classes, which I think might be more accurate. Would you agree?
only partially. if you want to call the "poor" or "rich" different cultures entirely...i see nothing wrong with that logic.
but to say there is no different classes is disingenuous, at best.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23989757 - 01/07/17 02:54 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: Sorry if it was too complex for you akira. Like I said, maybe Asante will take me up. It was your idea I propose the debate with him. Then you jump in trying to break it apart, and you failed, and that's fine.
qman, That is an interesting dynamic. The idea of multiple cultures interacting. It's interesting to call them cultures and not classes, which I think might be more accurate. Would you agree?
I don't think it's an economic class issue, it's a cultural issue in my opinion.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma]
#23989762 - 01/07/17 02:55 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: tell us about the moral high ground again
no, you tell it again, it's better when you tell it. right?
I didnt claim some bullshit about taking a moral high ground and not calling violent thugs a bunch of hoodrats right before flaming a member here
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: qman]
#23989768 - 01/07/17 02:58 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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you'd be wrong.
it's both. the class culture, promotes counter-economics, which is criminality, which drives the notion of "getting out of the hood" by way of either A: counter-economics or B: getting in the rap game- which is what alot of this 'diss culture', gangbanging, and lack of respect comes from; the perverting of an artform (hip-hip/rap music) by taking the scenes portrayed therein (like as if one did such with a movie or video game, all equally absurd when it happens) as something to justify and realistically partake in...even though it's meant to portray a message that that lifestyle will for the most part get you killed. but i digress.
the culture problems stem from the class problem.
read the Eyferth study and Bell Curve, just simply use some common sense. 
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Prisoner#1 said: tell us about the moral high ground again
no, you tell it again, it's better when you tell it. right?
I didnt claim some bullshit about taking a moral high ground and not calling violent thugs a bunch of hoodrats right before flaming a member here
i just read through his posts. he didn't flame anyone. what's that short-form turn of phrase that works so well to say nothing people like so much?
oh yeah....try again.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma]
#23989778 - 01/07/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: i just read through his posts. he didn't flame anyone. what's that short-form turn of phrase that works so well to say nothing people like so much?
oh yeah....try again.
are the lies a liberal thing or a canadian thing?
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23989783 - 01/07/17 03:05 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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not a flame. you know it's not a flame.
you're feigning being a real fool right about now. please, i'm concerned for you, you should try to tone it down.
and stop making enemies out of everyone. it just promotes that everyone follow suit, Mr, Moderator.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23989788 - 01/07/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: you'd be wrong.
it's both. the class culture, promotes counter-economics, which is criminality, which drives the notion of "getting out of the hood" by way of either A: counter-economics or B: getting in the rap game- which is what alot of this 'diss culture', gangbanging, and lack of respect comes from; the perverting of an artform (hip-hip/rap music) by taking the scenes portrayed therein (like as if one did such with a movie or video game, all equally absurd when it happens) as something to justify and realistically partake in...even though it's meant to portray a message that that lifestyle will for the most part get you killed. but i digress.
the culture problems stem from the class problem.
"the culture problems stem from the class problem"
That's because you live in Canada and you don't see the reality of the US and the town/cities filled with minorities.
It's mainly cultural, there's some things that money can't fix.
It doesn't even have to do with criminality, it's the attitude towards each other and authority figures, there's a reason why those teachers I know quit their jobs in short order, they couldn't relate to the behavior.
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Re: hood rats kidnap and torture autistic kid [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23989791 - 01/07/17 03:08 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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akira_akuma said: not a flame. you know it's not a flame.
you're feigning being a real fool right about now. please, i'm concerned for you, you should try to tone it down.
and stop making enemies out of everyone. it just promotes that everyone follow suit, Mr, Moderator.
lol. so calling someone an entitled piece of shit isnt flaming?
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