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Kulkulcan
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keep PF spawn strong until G2G?
#23983610 - 01/05/17 11:02 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Suppose you had some PF jars going that were only about 50% colonized, but when they DID get to be 100% colonized, you wanted your next step to be G2G, but you didn't think you could get to that right away.
Would it be better to keep the PF jars at around 15 deg C (59 F) to slow them down, or to keep going at around 24 deg C (75 F) until they were 100% colonized, and then put them in the fridge for just a week or two?
BTW, let's say that contams hadn't been a problem, and PF spawn looked rhyzo & strong.
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kulkulcan]
#23983676 - 01/05/17 11:30 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Wait for full colonization. That way when things warm up again theres no suprises after transfer. Good Luck!
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: pblcenmy1]
#23983696 - 01/05/17 11:39 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Definitely 100% colonized before refrigeration.
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: r.lutece]
#23983747 - 01/05/17 11:57 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Thanks!
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kulkulcan]
#23983964 - 01/05/17 01:36 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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cakes themselves may be clean but your dry layer may not be they are always a risk, if you are confident they are clan you could get myc water from them
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: cronicr]
#23983986 - 01/05/17 01:45 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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You can remove the dry layer
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And in the process contaminate the "spawn".....
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kenetic]
#23985049 - 01/05/17 08:12 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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If there's no sign of contams in either the dry layer or in the fully colonized spawn, why not just leave the jars sealed until you're ready for G2G?
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kulkulcan]
#23985054 - 01/05/17 08:14 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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How do you know if the verm layer has contams or not? Until you spawn at least.
Maybe it's possible to "g2g" pf tech but it's certainly not practical
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kenetic]
#23985208 - 01/05/17 09:16 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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kenetic said: How do you know if the verm layer has contams or not? Until you spawn at least.

The great thing about a dry verm layer is that the contams can't germinate in it, but once you give them some other materials to jump to, they can pick right up. Remember that the verm is your filter material, so you want to remember to not only knock off that verm, but also rinse the remaining verm off the cake. And you'll still probably see some contamination even after those precautions are taken. Which is part of the danger of spawning with cakes.
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kenetic]
#23986302 - 01/06/17 11:15 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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kenetic said: Maybe it's possible to "g2g" pf tech but it's certainly not practical
You can't just shred a PF cake and G2G it into large jars of loose grain (in a SAB or FH, of course)? Looking at "6T WBS Tek (Wild Bird Seed) Bulk Spawn Preparation Method", there doesn't appear to be an obstacle.
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kulkulcan]
#23986354 - 01/06/17 11:40 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 01:07 PM)
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: amidogen]
#23986361 - 01/06/17 11:44 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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amidogen said: If you can prep grains, you can prep agar.
"If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball." 
Almost every PF jar set is bacterial in one way or another you see it all the time here just do grains.
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Adden]
#23986809 - 01/06/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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OK, so if you already have some fully colonized PF cakes, then maybe the best way to go from there would be to bulk substrate...?
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kulkulcan]
#23986839 - 01/06/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 01:07 PM)
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: amidogen]
#23987135 - 01/06/17 05:09 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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How risky is it? The 3 or 4 videos I came across made it look easy enough. But maybe it IS too risky, I don't know, that's why I'm asking. But anyway, if you had several cakes and didn't care about getting very many fruits, you could try spawning a couple of the cakes to a bulk substrate, just to pursue the bobby, you know? But maybe if it's quite risky, then you wouldn't want to try it. So based on all that, what do you think?
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kulkulcan]
#23987356 - 01/06/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Edited by amidogen (04/19/18 01:07 PM)
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: amidogen]
#23987438 - 01/06/17 06:47 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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As someone currently messing around with cakes (only living in this dump for four more months, don't feel like unpacking all my stuff), they are SO much more work compared to a mono. God I miss just forgetting I was even growing mushrooms for like a week, and then checking to see they're doing just fine without me.
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: r.lutece]
#23989002 - 01/07/17 10:03 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Thanks to everybody for their input.
One last question: Am I right that no one thinks that just CASING fully colonized PF spawn would be risky?
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Re: keep PF spawn strong until G2G? [Re: Kulkulcan]
#23989069 - 01/07/17 10:28 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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You actually do case a PF jar when you roll it.. it helps keep a 1-2mm microclimate in little pockets in the network where pins will grow.. which is why it's important to wait a day or two after rolling before you begin misting. But anyway, I've seen people do trays and use them as spawn and it's always lackluster, and what's a gram or two more.. and time could be better spent on other things.. I mean, I still play with PF because it's designed to be so simple and easy and all-in-one.
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