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Do you think there are other realms or universes?
#23983044 - 01/05/17 03:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was talking to my friend and she believes in the bible and creationism etc. We were discussing life and she asked me how I could possibly think this all was not designed around us because we are in the perfect place in the solar system from our star, plants produce oxygen for humans to breathe, it had to be designed for us etc.
I realize there is a ton of stuff that lines up for us to exist... But what if we are just one of a nearly infinite number of realms where most are not harboring life forms?
That makes more sense to me that we are just one of endless realms more so than "god did it."
She brushes this idea off as impossible yet here we are, why is this universe existing plausible but others are not?
Even if there was a designer that doesn't negate the potential for other realms anyway. Her words were "We were designed in Jesus' image why would God design other universes?" is what she believes but... No. This is the second time I have heard this argument that this is the only universe and god made us in his image so we must be alone because somethin somethin religion etc.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983068 - 01/05/17 04:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why intelligent life has evolved is a good question. But the chances of it occurring are very high. As a numbers game the Universe has some very large numbers. 200 billion galaxies! That's a lot of star systems so it's just odds from there.
As far as spirit realms. I suppose we can create anything. The thing that sucks, is we don't know where we are in creation.
I think our consciousness has existed elsewhere before. It will exist there again.
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#23983069 - 01/05/17 04:04 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Infinite universe, infinite possibilities.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983070 - 01/05/17 04:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I believe in the multiverse, even thou its hard to imagine there being other Universes as insanely vast as our own.
Me thinks that dark energy/dark matter is another Universe "bleeding" into ours somehow....
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23983088 - 01/05/17 04:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Asante said that about the bleeding of a universe/dimension into ours is what dark matter could be. In another thread that you would not think such a novel cool statement/idea would be made by the title of the thread. Naggers hating on naggers.
I believe a god made all of this including us and also created the other unknowns. How can inanimate matter spark to life without the help of a higher power.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23983105 - 01/05/17 04:36 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Higher power or a higher man?
God is sorta imagined by most as a man like figure with the powers of anything.
Difficult to sort out what is imagined?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Morel Guy] 2
#23983123 - 01/05/17 05:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Multiple universes ... possibly infinite in number
Many dimensions ... possibly infinite in number
Many realms ... possibly infinite in number
Many intelligent life beings throughout the universes ... possibly infinite in number Life and consciousness as vast and unlimited as one can imagine.
Higher, far more evolved beings that would qualify as "gods" from our current view? Probably, and probably an infinite number of them.
Let's get serious, there are trillions and trillions of planets out there. Anything you can imagine is probably happening and a whole lot more.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983148 - 01/05/17 05:46 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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This all comes from the belief that we are "different", somehow, than the rest of this universe. Humans are special 
The fact is we are no different than the gazelle leaping through the grass in Africa. We are the same thing - the same stuff - as the rocks beneath our feet. We act as if Ours is The Special case - as if it is our consciousness that separates us from the world around us...all without ever seeing the simple fact of things: it is in this Universe's nature to evolve systems in complexity. We are no different.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: trendal] 1
#23983249 - 01/05/17 07:49 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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But gazelles cannot post on the shroomery pondering the existence of multiple Universes, therefore humans are special.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983262 - 01/05/17 07:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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PreparationH said: Her words were "We were designed in Jesus' image why would God design other universes?" is what she believes but... No. This is the second time I have heard this argument that this is the only universe and god made us in his image so we must be alone because somethin somethin religion etc.
Yeah I'm not seeing much of a connection at all between that premise and that conclusion.
Even from the perspective that the Christian God does exist, "I can't imagine why God would want to do xyz, therefore he definitely didn't do that" seems pretty presumptuous for a lowly human.
To me the parallel universes idea is kinda cool, but unless there is some possibility of traveling to or getting information back from these other universes, we can expect to observe the same kinds of things whether these other universes exist or not.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983288 - 01/05/17 08:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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By the definition of the word itself, there can only be one universe.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23983292 - 01/05/17 08:12 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: trees]
#23983341 - 01/05/17 08:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
What makes you think that there are multiple verses?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23983345 - 01/05/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
What makes you think that there are multiple verses?
500 Trillion planets just ain't enough ... The neighborhood is getting more and more crowded.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999] 1
#23983346 - 01/05/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel that a lack of infinity is impossible. Idk though that's just what I feel when I really think about it and get all existential crisisy
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: trees] 1
#23983355 - 01/05/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
Undetectable extra universes are kind of the same problem as an undetectable God. For all we know they might exist, but it's kind of a dead end for scientific inquiry.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: psi] 1
#23983363 - 01/05/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
Undetectable extra universes are kind of the same problem as an undetectable God. For all we know they might exist, but it's kind of a dead end for scientific inquiry.
The mulit-verse is an element of String Theory. A lot of work has been done on it. It's got a strong following of credible physicists both for and against it.
Let's be clear, the belief that the universe we observe with telescopes and other instruments is the one and only universe is also a theory that cannot be proven. Our projections of how BIG the observable universe is are the equivalent of an equation rich WILD ASS GUESS. We have no flipping idea truly how big this universe is or if there's even a limit to its size. It's all just one theory competing against another. The current popular wild ass guess is the universe is 46 BILLION light years from one "end" to another yet no one can even explain what an "end" is.
Finally, add to that the generally accepted theory is the universe we observe is still expanding at breakneck speed. Expanding into what? No one seems to know so we have words like "the void" to give us some comfort. It there is something "out there" that the Universe is expanding or pushing into ... well ... how is that "stuff" not the universe too?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23983394 - 01/05/17 09:11 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What I want to know i what happens on the other side of a black hole before they just die and dissapear.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca] 1
#23983400 - 01/05/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Let's be clear, the belief that the universe we observe with telescopes and other instruments is the one and only universe is also a theory that cannot be proven.
A more important feature is that it has the potential to be disproved (by detecting other universes somehow). It's undetectable entities that I'm saying are a dead end, not multiple universes generally.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: psi]
#23983438 - 01/05/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Kinda hard to imagine the Universe existing only in it's own space. That there is nothing outside the Universe. For all we will ever know or detect the Universe is infinite. Difference between infinitely knowable or is there more?
Tripping just right sometimes glimpses of other dimensions come into possibility. So far there is nothing scientific about spirit realms? Maybe we exist in spirit realms and this Universe is simply different. Or did spirit realms exist from consciousness somehow holding on and creating?
Religion teaches that spirit realms existed first. But we don't really know. So that old thought indicates that spirit realms contain this realm. Not that this realm contains the next realm. Not tripping so I don't really think newly at this time.
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