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Do you think there are other realms or universes?
#23983044 - 01/05/17 03:40 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I was talking to my friend and she believes in the bible and creationism etc. We were discussing life and she asked me how I could possibly think this all was not designed around us because we are in the perfect place in the solar system from our star, plants produce oxygen for humans to breathe, it had to be designed for us etc.
I realize there is a ton of stuff that lines up for us to exist... But what if we are just one of a nearly infinite number of realms where most are not harboring life forms?
That makes more sense to me that we are just one of endless realms more so than "god did it."
She brushes this idea off as impossible yet here we are, why is this universe existing plausible but others are not?
Even if there was a designer that doesn't negate the potential for other realms anyway. Her words were "We were designed in Jesus' image why would God design other universes?" is what she believes but... No. This is the second time I have heard this argument that this is the only universe and god made us in his image so we must be alone because somethin somethin religion etc.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983068 - 01/05/17 04:03 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Why intelligent life has evolved is a good question. But the chances of it occurring are very high. As a numbers game the Universe has some very large numbers. 200 billion galaxies! That's a lot of star systems so it's just odds from there.
As far as spirit realms. I suppose we can create anything. The thing that sucks, is we don't know where we are in creation.
I think our consciousness has existed elsewhere before. It will exist there again.
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#23983069 - 01/05/17 04:04 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Infinite universe, infinite possibilities.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983070 - 01/05/17 04:05 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I believe in the multiverse, even thou its hard to imagine there being other Universes as insanely vast as our own.
Me thinks that dark energy/dark matter is another Universe "bleeding" into ours somehow....
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23983088 - 01/05/17 04:17 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Asante said that about the bleeding of a universe/dimension into ours is what dark matter could be. In another thread that you would not think such a novel cool statement/idea would be made by the title of the thread. Naggers hating on naggers.
I believe a god made all of this including us and also created the other unknowns. How can inanimate matter spark to life without the help of a higher power.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: pinedownpioneer]
#23983105 - 01/05/17 04:36 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Higher power or a higher man?
God is sorta imagined by most as a man like figure with the powers of anything.
Difficult to sort out what is imagined?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Morel Guy] 2
#23983123 - 01/05/17 05:00 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Multiple universes ... possibly infinite in number
Many dimensions ... possibly infinite in number
Many realms ... possibly infinite in number
Many intelligent life beings throughout the universes ... possibly infinite in number Life and consciousness as vast and unlimited as one can imagine.
Higher, far more evolved beings that would qualify as "gods" from our current view? Probably, and probably an infinite number of them.
Let's get serious, there are trillions and trillions of planets out there. Anything you can imagine is probably happening and a whole lot more.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983148 - 01/05/17 05:46 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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This all comes from the belief that we are "different", somehow, than the rest of this universe. Humans are special 
The fact is we are no different than the gazelle leaping through the grass in Africa. We are the same thing - the same stuff - as the rocks beneath our feet. We act as if Ours is The Special case - as if it is our consciousness that separates us from the world around us...all without ever seeing the simple fact of things: it is in this Universe's nature to evolve systems in complexity. We are no different.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: trendal] 1
#23983249 - 01/05/17 07:49 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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But gazelles cannot post on the shroomery pondering the existence of multiple Universes, therefore humans are special.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983262 - 01/05/17 07:53 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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PreparationH said: Her words were "We were designed in Jesus' image why would God design other universes?" is what she believes but... No. This is the second time I have heard this argument that this is the only universe and god made us in his image so we must be alone because somethin somethin religion etc.
Yeah I'm not seeing much of a connection at all between that premise and that conclusion.
Even from the perspective that the Christian God does exist, "I can't imagine why God would want to do xyz, therefore he definitely didn't do that" seems pretty presumptuous for a lowly human.
To me the parallel universes idea is kinda cool, but unless there is some possibility of traveling to or getting information back from these other universes, we can expect to observe the same kinds of things whether these other universes exist or not.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23983288 - 01/05/17 08:08 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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By the definition of the word itself, there can only be one universe.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23983292 - 01/05/17 08:12 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: trees]
#23983341 - 01/05/17 08:38 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
What makes you think that there are multiple verses?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23983345 - 01/05/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
What makes you think that there are multiple verses?
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#23983346 - 01/05/17 08:41 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I feel that a lack of infinity is impossible. Idk though that's just what I feel when I really think about it and get all existential crisisy
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#23983355 - 01/05/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
Undetectable extra universes are kind of the same problem as an undetectable God. For all we know they might exist, but it's kind of a dead end for scientific inquiry.
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#23983363 - 01/05/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
Undetectable extra universes are kind of the same problem as an undetectable God. For all we know they might exist, but it's kind of a dead end for scientific inquiry.
The mulit-verse is an element of String Theory. A lot of work has been done on it. It's got a strong following of credible physicists both for and against it.
Let's be clear, the belief that the universe we observe with telescopes and other instruments is the one and only universe is also a theory that cannot be proven. Our projections of how BIG the observable universe is are the equivalent of an equation rich WILD ASS GUESS. We have no flipping idea truly how big this universe is or if there's even a limit to its size. It's all just one theory competing against another. The current popular wild ass guess is the universe is 46 BILLION light years from one "end" to another yet no one can even explain what an "end" is.
Finally, add to that the generally accepted theory is the universe we observe is still expanding at breakneck speed. Expanding into what? No one seems to know so we have words like "the void" to give us some comfort. It there is something "out there" that the Universe is expanding or pushing into ... well ... how is that "stuff" not the universe too?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23983394 - 01/05/17 09:11 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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What I want to know i what happens on the other side of a black hole before they just die and dissapear.
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#23983400 - 01/05/17 09:14 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca said: Let's be clear, the belief that the universe we observe with telescopes and other instruments is the one and only universe is also a theory that cannot be proven.
A more important feature is that it has the potential to be disproved (by detecting other universes somehow). It's undetectable entities that I'm saying are a dead end, not multiple universes generally.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: psi]
#23983438 - 01/05/17 09:31 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Kinda hard to imagine the Universe existing only in it's own space. That there is nothing outside the Universe. For all we will ever know or detect the Universe is infinite. Difference between infinitely knowable or is there more?
Tripping just right sometimes glimpses of other dimensions come into possibility. So far there is nothing scientific about spirit realms? Maybe we exist in spirit realms and this Universe is simply different. Or did spirit realms exist from consciousness somehow holding on and creating?
Religion teaches that spirit realms existed first. But we don't really know. So that old thought indicates that spirit realms contain this realm. Not that this realm contains the next realm. Not tripping so I don't really think newly at this time.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23983491 - 01/05/17 10:04 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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The Universe is constantly expanding and never-ending
Taking a shit-load of LSD at once unveils the true nature of reality but be warned, just because you bear witness to it first-hand does not mean you will understand it after the trip is over
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Morel Guy]
#23983526 - 01/05/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Kinda hard to imagine the Universe existing only in it's own space. That there is nothing outside the Universe. For all we will ever know or detect the Universe is infinite. Difference between infinitely knowable or is there more?
Tripping just right sometimes glimpses of other dimensions come into possibility. So far there is nothing scientific about spirit realms? Maybe we exist in spirit realms and this Universe is simply different. Or did spirit realms exist from consciousness somehow holding on and creating?
Religion teaches that spirit realms existed first. But we don't really know. So that old thought indicates that spirit realms contain this realm. Not that this realm contains the next realm. Not tripping so I don't really think newly at this time.
The research that Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute did where they were able to get two or more people in REM sleep, in two different locations, to meet in the exact same dream location/realm, hook up and explore together and communicate back to the lab with eye gestures gets about as close as I think possible that there are other "realms" our consciousness travels to that exist outside the personal space of our brain.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23983547 - 01/05/17 10:28 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Kinda hard to imagine the Universe existing only in it's own space. That there is nothing outside the Universe. For all we will ever know or detect the Universe is infinite. Difference between infinitely knowable or is there more?
Tripping just right sometimes glimpses of other dimensions come into possibility. So far there is nothing scientific about spirit realms? Maybe we exist in spirit realms and this Universe is simply different. Or did spirit realms exist from consciousness somehow holding on and creating?
Religion teaches that spirit realms existed first. But we don't really know. So that old thought indicates that spirit realms contain this realm. Not that this realm contains the next realm. Not tripping so I don't really think newly at this time.
The research that Robert Monroe and the Monroe Institute did where they were able to get two or more people in REM sleep, in two different locations, to meet in the exact same dream location/realm, hook up and explore together and communicate back to the lab with eye gestures gets about as close as I think possible that there are other "realms" our consciousness travels to that exist outside the personal space of our brain.
I posted about an idea for a similar experiment a few years back, surprised someone actually did that.
My idea was the same, except the pair would write out their experience after and read that out at the conclusion. Another idea was to have a 3rd party communicate a message to one, who would communicate it to the other, who would write it out and bring it in.
Anyways Ive had many OBEs and believe much of it as much as I believe that I woke up yesterday.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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So what about these mysterious radio signal bursts that have been received? Do those hold any weight? Do you guys think that they are man(species)-made or just a random signal bouncing around in space?
I think there is a good chance of alien life. Whether it be another Earth full of humans or something entirely different.
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A mysterious type of radio wave from deep space, discovered only a decade ago, has been traced to a precise source for the first time, astronomers said on Wednesday.
So-called fast radio bursts (FRBs) picked up in 2016 by a telescope in New Mexico likely emanated from a dwarf galaxy some 3bn light years from Earth, the scientists reported in the journal Nature.
FRBs flash only for an micro-instant, and can emit as much energy in a millisecond as the sun does in 10,000 years.
Exactly what causes these high-energy surges of long waves at the far end of the electromagnetic spectrum remains the subject of intense debate.
The new discovery will not settle the issue, but it definitively eliminates several theories that had been in the running, scientists said.
There have been 18 fast radio bursts registered since 2007, but only one â observed in 2012 at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto Rico, and dubbed FRB 121102 â recurred numerous times.
That prompted a team of scientists led by Shami Chatterjee of Cornell University to prepare in case it happened again.
Will scientists ever prove the existence of dark matter? Read more The idea paid off: in 83 hours of observation over six months, the Karl G Jansky multi-antenna array of radio telescopes â more powerful that any to have spotted a FRB in the past â detected nine distinct pulses.
Facebook Twitter Pinterest The Sound of Fast Radio Burst FRB 121102 âWe now know that this particular burst comes from a dwarf galaxy more than 3bn light years from Earth,â Chatterjee said in a statement.
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The discovery does not answer the core question of what produces these strange emanations that long escaped the notice of professional stargazers.
âStill, even without a clear answer, the finding is a real game-changer,â said Heino Falcke, an astronomer at Radboud University Nijmegen in the Netherlands who was not involved in the research.
Until recently, many experts speculated that FRBs are produced by cataclysmic events such as stars exploding into supernovas, or neutron stars collapsing into black holes.
While it is possible that these one-off scenarios also produce such bursts, all of them are inconsistent with multiple pulses such as those generated by FRB 121102.
The new data also dispels another widely discussed possibility, explained Shriharsh Tendulkar, a scientist at McGill University in Montreal.
âBefore we knew the distance to any FRBs, several proposed explanations for their origins said they could be coming from within, or near, our own Milky Way,â he said.
Such a close source can now be ruled out â at least in this case.
âItâs not something in our backyard,â said co-author Casey Law, an astronomer at the University of California in Berkeley.
That still leaves plenty of room for speculation.
One of the top candidates, the astronomers suggested, is a neutron star â possibly a type known as a magnetar â surrounded by material ejected by a supernova explosion.
A neutron star â small but extremely dense â is formed by the gravitational collapse of a star not quite massive enough to produce a black hole when it explodes.
A magnetar is a type of neutron star with an extremely powerful magnetic field.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Herbologist]
#23983583 - 01/05/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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There are all sorta of reasons radio signals are created by space stuff and not life. Perhaps we will be lucky. But until verified we just don't know.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Repertoire89]
#23983626 - 01/05/17 11:10 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I posted about an idea for a similar experiment a few years back, surprised someone actually did that.
My idea was the same, except the pair would write out their experience after and read that out at the conclusion. Another idea was to have a 3rd party communicate a message to one, who would communicate it to the other, who would write it out and bring it in.
Anyways Ive had many OBEs and believe much of it as much as I believe that I woke up yesterday.
They did some very sophisticated lab based research with dreamers hooked up to EKG's, REM eye monitoring ... Blind debriefing ... the whole tamale. Clearly, from their research, their dream teams were meeting in locations (for instance, on the moon) and then carrying out a mission and then being individually debriefed as to what happened. The results were mind blowing and there is no doubt at all that people were hooking up in a dream space and experiencing together the same "realm" for lack of a better term.
Tibetan Dream Yoga is exactly the same and so are esoteric Shamanic practices as well where the Shaman follows the journeying dreamer/tripper into the realm and assists them.
Clearly, there is a "place" that they are going where two or more people can share an experience similar to waking reality that suggests it's not just individual synapse firing that's creating these personal hallucinogenic realms. They can be shared somehow.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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They did some very sophisticated lab based research with dreamers hooked up to EKG's, REM eye monitoring ... Blind debriefing ... the whole tamale. Clearly, from their research, their dream teams were meeting in locations (for instance, on the moon) and then carrying out a mission and then being individually debriefed as to what happened. The results were mind blowing and there is no doubt at all that people were hooking up in a dream space and experiencing together the same "realm" for lack of a better term.
Tibetan Dream Yoga is exactly the same and so are esoteric Shamanic practices as well where the Shaman follows the journeying dreamer/tripper into the realm and assists them.
Clearly, there is a "place" that they are going where two or more people can share an experience similar to waking reality that suggests it's not just individual synapse firing that's creating these personal hallucinogenic realms. They can be shared somehow.
Ive met people during OBEs on a number of occasions, during initiation ones guru should be there for example. Ima send you a
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Ive met people during OBEs on a number of occasions, during initiation ones guru should be there for example. Ima send you a 
I've done a lot of lucid dreaming over the years and had some experiences that are hard to even explain in terms of entities out there ... well beyond anything I ever experienced with hallucinogens. To me, lucid dreaming is, by far, the most "out there" I can get and the most scary and highest potential at the same time. When you develop some skill at it, you know, for certain, that it isn't just happening "inside your head." No way to prove it, but you most definitely know there are lots and lots of realms out there.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
I have always found this interesting, particles that interact with other particles even from very large distances that defy the speed of light.
There are potentially particles in our own brain that are communicating with particles on the other side of the universe instantaneously. Weird stuff.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: qman]
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qman said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
I have always found this interesting, particles that interact with other particles even from very large distances that defy the speed of light.
There are potentially particles in our own brain that are communicating with particles on the other side of the universe instantaneously. Weird stuff.
My own wild ass guess theory is that thought itself is the one thing faster than light and the most refined substance in the universe and that GOD ... the big super intelligence of the multi-verse, is a junky for thought and consumes it in the here and now and has set this entire multiverse up to generate as much thought as possible expanding forever to supply his voracious appetite. "He" likes the most refined thought possible and has set up an amazing incentive system across the universe to develop more and more refined thought from more and more species. Never ending, always expanding ... always growing. WE are thought that is confused into thinking were a physical being.
I think "thought" is the proverbial "God Particle" and we just don't understand yet the potential of thought when you up the watts behind it.
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qman said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
I have always found this interesting, particles that interact with other particles even from very large distances that defy the speed of light.
There are potentially particles in our own brain that are communicating with particles on the other side of the universe instantaneously. Weird stuff.
My own wild ass guess theory is that thought itself is the one thing faster than light and the most refined substance in the universe and that GOD ... the big super intelligence of the multi-verse, is a junky for thought and consumes it in the here and now and has set this entire multiverse up to generate as much thought as possible expanding forever to supply his voracious appetite. "He" likes the most refined thought possible and has set up an amazing incentive system across the universe to develop more and more refined thought from more and more species. Never ending, always expanding ... always growing. WE are thought that is confused into thinking were a physical being.
I think "thought" is the proverbial "God Particle" and we just don't understand yet the potential of thought when you up the watts behind it.
I saw some video where they are discovering that our own brains uses quantum entanglement for communication between neurons. It appears neurons are just the cover for how the brain works, it goes much deeper than the surface.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I really enjoyed the responses here guys Sorry I can't really contribute much but some of you are basically spot on with my same ideas and it is nice and refreshing to see people at the same mind state I am at now in life

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qman said: that our own brains uses quantum entanglement for communication between neurons. It appears neurons are just the cover for how the brain works, it goes much deeper than the surface.
In Hinduism there is the idea that the material universe forms around consciousness, as a manifestation of consciousness, and is only solid as it is in an objective sense by consensus between beings. The brain then, acts as a control panel for interaction between one and their environment, rather than being the source of consciousness... take care of that control panel
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: qman]
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You're on to something qman!
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Asantes got a direct link to God. Lucky mofo!
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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trees said: I disagree, universe, it's just the one that we know as ours. Theres most likely multiple verses, I'd say. Probably infinite verses. I don't think other verses spill over into ours as dark matter though. Dark matter is just verse filler as far as I can imagine
What makes you think that there are multiple verses?
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"There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know." - Donald Rumsfeld.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Yes i believe there are other realms and universes, but only one that really matters atm, which is the one right here baby
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
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But that quote is golden.
Really sums up what Socrates was trying to say...
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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I'm a walrus. If I can do this, gazelles probably can too.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Really sums up what Socrates was trying to say...
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
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God is more likely designed in man's image.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_histories
Basically everything that can happen does happen within the boundary conditions of the fundamental 4 forces (gravity isn't really a force but who fucking cares) and does so infinitely, but you could also consider it to be just once (it exists all-together in superposition-superspace like a block universe for conceptual understanding). Still, everything that could ever happen within the boundary conditions did happen; those histories/trajectories/probabilities do exist and time is an illusion. Thermal time seems to make most conceptual sense if you care to look it up. Oh, yeah, and free will is an illusion, as we are merely "choosing" from histories that already exist in the quantum realm. These are all implications of quantum theory, by the way; this shit isn't made up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation
The thing that blows my mind is that DMT truly seems to go "beyond" a quantum realm of histories or potentials; it seems to be autonomous and exists under influence of different forces and/or dimensions.

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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Around In Circles]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_histories
Basically everything that can happen does happen within the boundary conditions of the fundamental 4 forces (gravity isn't really a force but who fucking cares) and does so infinitely, but you could also consider it to be just once (it exists all-together in superposition-superspace like a block universe for conceptual understanding). Still, everything that could ever happen within the boundary conditions did happen; those histories/trajectories/probabilities do exist and time is an illusion. Thermal time seems to make most conceptual sense if you care to look it up. Oh, yeah, and free will is an illusion, as we are merely "choosing" from histories that already exist in the quantum realm. These are all implications of quantum theory, by the way; this shit isn't made up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_integral_formulation
The thing that blows my mind is that DMT truly seems to go "beyond" a quantum realm of histories or potentials; it seems to be autonomous and exists under influence of different forces and/or dimensions.
 
by the way, that shit is just a theory
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: ultramanjay]
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What's this about God? ...did I miss something?
You missed OP's post?
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...These are all implications of quantum theory, by the way; this shit isn't made up....
 
Thank you for educating me on a bit of quantum mechanics... I am no Scientist, but I do know what a "Theory" is.
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ultramanjay said: God is more likely designed in man's image.
What's this about God? ...did I miss something?
You missed OP's post?
No, I just saw that your post was aimed at me directly. But now that we are on this topic...please define the image of "God".
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: blackdragon999]
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Each believer has their own definition of God. There are just traits/characteristics of "God" that is common to everyone's beliefs i.e; all powerful, loving, all knowing, etc. Such characteristics are what man sees as what his God should be. But that's just my opinion.
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Supachopped719 said: Infinite universe, infinite possibilities.
Maybe we go through life getting reincarnated through every single universe, ad infinitum.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: ultramanjay]
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ultramanjay said: Each believer has their own definition of God. There are just traits/characteristics of "God" that is common to everyone's beliefs i.e; all powerful, loving, all knowing, etc. Such characteristics are what man sees as what his God should be. But that's just my opinion.
Usually monotheist people like to term God as Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent. Polytheists do not do this most of the time wouldn't use any of those as labels for their deities...at least not all three at once.
How God is defined by an individual in the natural world of is of course irrespective of whether or not "God" exists in a supernatural context.
Alas the journey into the supernatural is quite a personal journey. I wouldn't try to convince anyone of my own personal experiences...because they were intended for me.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Asantes got a direct link to God. Lucky mofo! 
God is a part of you. Almost everybody can cultivate a personal relationship with him but its a matter of belief. Most people here have completely explained God away in their own minds and so are far away from direct communication with him.
I read a paper that assumed that in olden times peoples brains tended to function by their inner God telling them what to do. It seems plausible.
Maybe its pushed back as "the subconscious" in modern times and isnt intended as the subconscious, as something out of your perception.
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Asantes got a direct link to God. Lucky mofo! 
God is a part of you. Almost everybody can cultivate a personal relationship with him but its a matter of belief. Most people here have completely explained God away in their own minds and so are far away from direct communication with him.
I read a paper that assumed that in olden times peoples brains tended to function by their inner God telling them what to do. It seems plausible.
Maybe its pushed back as "the subconscious" in modern times and isnt intended as the subconscious, as something out of your perception.
WHAT is God? Are we talking about an advanced being? Are we talking about the ultra uber creator of the universe that is aware of every thing all at once? Are we talking about a myth/story created to give us a paternal super human judge to keep us in line with fear and promises of the after life?
Which God are you communicating with? Lots to choose from.
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I saw some video where they are discovering that our own brains uses quantum entanglement for communication between neurons. It appears neurons are just the cover for how the brain works, it goes much deeper than the surface.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
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Asantes got a direct link to God. Lucky mofo! 
God is a part of you. Almost everybody can cultivate a personal relationship with him but its a matter of belief. Most people here have completely explained God away in their own minds and so are far away from direct communication with him.
I read a paper that assumed that in olden times peoples brains tended to function by their inner God telling them what to do. It seems plausible.
Maybe its pushed back as "the subconscious" in modern times and isnt intended as the subconscious, as something out of your perception.
WHAT is God? Are we talking about an advanced being? Are we talking about the ultra uber creator of the universe that is aware of every thing all at once? Are we talking about a myth/story created to give us a paternal super human judge to keep us in line with fear and promises of the after life?
Which God are you communicating with? Lots to choose from.
Step into my office!
All is One, You are That. You are everybody and all things including the All Encompassing One, GOD. Its all in you.
There is a God level in you and a lowest Demon level so to say, but it is all you.
That God Level can synthesize reality on the objecive level and does so constantly. It can do this in seeming defiance of the laws of the universe, but of course nothing exists outside of that realm, its just much more vast than is known to science.
Reality has 2 faces, one is the one which is addressed by science. It is the face of "seeing is believing". You observe something, make a hypothesis, you know the drill.
Thats only one side of reality.
There is another face, the face of "believing is seeing", this is the side addressed by religion, spirit mediums, magic and witchcraft. It involves that you believe in something unobserved to such a high level within you that your God Level synthesizes it. That sounds like illusion, make-belief, or, nonsense. Thing is, it is not nonsense and quantum physics is getting closer and closer to drag unwilling scientists by their nose into the ream of "believing is seeing".
I have been completely rational, scientific and all that, I'm not the originator of the Chemistry forum for nothing. I studied sciences in my free time all my life. I can do science, me.
Lately I have been deeply exploring the realm of that other face of reality.
Its out there, its in there, its sentient, its discreetly hiding from view and you unlock it with leaps of faith to show it that you are ready, that you won't blow a gasket mentally if it starts to show you the OTHER SIDE.
On the subatomic level, quantum physics uncovers all sorts of crazyness, like quantum entanglement, a sort of telepathy for subatomic particles, objects appearing and disppearing out of thin air and more such "magic" Scientists are banging away with hammers to get the sqare peg of what they see into the round hole of conventional science. Nope, it won't fit and the more they find the more it becomes clear that everything is in fact One and that the Universe is a living sentient thing, solidified consciousness. A place of dualities whos separation is in fact illusory, that an all-encompassing Oneness in fact underlies it.
Bullshit huh?
This spirit I interact with usually speaks through my Nkondi, an entity of Congolese Voodoo. Very unassuming and nonthreatening.
He invites me to leaps of faith, which are always harmless excurions from the prison of reductionist logic into the free world of creationist logic (not Christian creationist) and when I do and do this I almost matter of factly get proof. Tagible proof.
In December and January I had some money tightness. I wouldnt have made it if not I got a christmas present from the Quantum Void. I was given a quantum physics story that goes a little like this:
"If you put something in an area you cannot observe, it both is and isnt there at the same time, in superposition like SchÃļdingers Cat, until you open the box and let the cat out, right? As a christmas present to you I have put four 50 euro bills (over $200) in your empty wallet in your closet." I looked and they were there and certainly werent before. I got explained: "You and I pulled these 4 bills together out of the quantum void to reward your Belief. Go to the bank, put them in the deposit ATM and you will notice something special." So I did, and the machine refused the bills as unrecognized. He said: "It has to do with reality, now press again." I pressed, bam, all four accepted, and I was 200 bucks richer. "On behalf of the Nkondi Quantum Counterfeiting Press - Merry Christmas Nganga!"
So there!
At christmas I went to a friend for christmas dinner, the red rooster we sacrificed, which turned out to be for the Chinese Zodiac year of the RED Rooster. I had no money on me, A friend drove us and would drive us back. But! This friend got quite high on beer and weed and presto, I was without a ride back! I borrowed a tenner and hit the bus. A toicket of 6 euros, so I got 2 coins of 2 euros which i quickly slipped into my empty pants pocket. Come January 3 I went to the pool for a belated new years dive. My injured foot started cramping up after some hours of swimming so my Nkondi offered: "Get a 2 euro coin from your pants pocket and get a can of soda, trust me, ITS ON ME!" OK, so I went to my locker and BAM! There were THREE 2 euro coins in the otherwise empty pocket. I got the soda, swam and decided to take a snack from one of the two remaining 2 euro coins. Went there, hand in SchÃļdingers Pocket and BAM! There were three again and my Nkondi said "I told you it was on me, it didnt feel right that way so I did it again, in cooperation ofcourse with your spirit! Enjoy your meal."
Right?
These kind of things keep happening to me and the deniability factor of them becomes smaller and smaller. This we agreed on to ease me into a harry potter like reality where stuff just comes out of nowhere - because miracles, even beneficial ones, HURT you if you do not beluieve because they force you into a paradigm shift tyhat you might not want or are not ready for. My Nkondi insists that a mindfuck should be consensual and tender and not a mind RAPE.
I have seen and continue to see ever increasing stuff like this. I believe to the level that things now become objectively real, even to a deposit ATM.
As hard as it is for you to believe what I just described, as hard it is for me to descend back into "muggle" reality. I've seen tons of this stuff and its real. Reality has a Magic dimension and I have awoken it in me. It will go further and further and and I cant wait to get to the level where ridiculous things start to happen. I don't know, maybe even win the lottery.
What do you call someone who talks with spirits and who actually pulls 50 euro bills and coins out of thin air? That's not illness, that's not illusion, thats a Wizard guys and thats what I've been prepared for all my life with clairvoyant visions that were sent back in time by my future self. Yes you can do that.
So, delusionist or...? Your call. My reality does not depend on yours. I stay on this train until I decide to get off it. But oh my God what I have seen. I can no longer deny it. Fuck chemistry. You don't need a lab. If you can pull 4 fifty dollar bills out of thin air, why not droogz? And in fact I already did that multiple times, doses of MXE appearing out of nowhere, me taking them, getting high and having a jolly old time.
Scary huh?
Think up an explanation for what I wrote here that is comfortable to you. Maybe I am congused, maybe I am lying through my teeth and manybe, just maybe, all those spirit mediums and wizards throughout the world and of all time in fact do have some kind of point to make.
Chances are the reader of this post is in "muggle reality". If that starts to feel as a prison, reach inward with love and respect and leaps of faith will bring you there as long as you dont do stupid stuff. We all have it in us but few are called to do something with it, just like becoming a computer programmer those things can liedormant all your life without you being worse for wear.
But I tell you guys..
GET THAT LITTLE PIECE OF SILVER IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS OF THIS YEAR FOR THE PURPOSE OF LETTING MAGIC INTO YOUR LIFE.
Be That Fool
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
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damn shroomapotamus, its been a minute!
Welcome back.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
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wow fuck i just voted yes when i meant to vote no...
obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
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Connoisseur said: obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
Prove it.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PatrickKn]
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Connoisseur said: obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
Prove it. 
Just because YOU can't understand theoretical physics and the equations that define particle physics ... doesn't mean it doesn't exist
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Just because YOU can't understand how to read the music and play the symphonies that Mozart wrote ... doesn't mean that music doesn't exist
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Just because YOU haven't developed the mental skills of concentration to control your brain waves to tune in other realms ... doesn't mean they don't exist.
We rely on experts in physics, music and other arts and scientists to explain to us what we see.
We need to consider relying on the testimony of experts that have ability to experience non-ordinary reality with much greater skill and fluidity than 99.99% of the population ...
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23987734 - 01/06/17 08:48 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I'm gonna say yes
But they aren't "out there"
Most of them are in people's heads
***at least that's my theory
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Connoisseur]
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Connoisseur said: wow fuck i just voted yes when i meant to vote no...
obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
I did the same and didnt notice until reading your post
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Repertoire89] 1
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If you really want to see how much work and science has been put into discovery, mapping and exploring these "realms" and where exactly they might be, you really should read three books by Robert Monroe.
1) Journeys Out Of the Body 2) Far Journeys 3) Ultimate Journey
If you really believe that all these realms are just "inside your head" and for whatever reason, we come into this life with an infinite number of dream/hallucinatory realms just implanted in our consciousness like virtual reality coding and there's no real realm out there, read his books.
He scientifically explored this, in a sober way, over decades with a lab, brain wave monitoring equipment, etc. It's eye opening to say the least.
This guy had THOUSANDS of lengthy out of body experiences where he developed relationships with sources in these realms and was shown the architecture of how it works and WHERE these realms actually are.
It's well written and very accessible to skeptical Western thinking people.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I'm going to interject with you right there man. I've read all the of those books and am an avid lucid dreamer myself, and I've had my fair share of experiences with DMT and out of body experiences with that as well.
After your first post in the thread I gave you the benefit of the doubt because perhaps you knew more about physics than myself and have seen evidence for other dimensions beyond theory and hypothesis. But it seems you're mixing up ideas of places that exist with reality.
Claiming that people's experience in these realms is irrefutable proof that they exist is misguided however. It's not that I have no experience with other realms that I ask Conn to share evidence that they exist, it's that I don't think it's something you can genuinely prove just yet.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said: I'm going to interject with you right there man. I've read all the of those books and am an avid lucid dreamer myself, and I've had my fair share of experiences with DMT and out of body experiences with that as well.
After your first post in the thread I gave you the benefit of the doubt because perhaps you knew more about physics than myself and have seen evidence for other dimensions beyond theory and hypothesis. But it seems you're mixing up ideas of places that exist with reality.
Claiming that people's experience in these realms is irrefutable proof that they exist is misguided however. It's not that I have no experience with other realms that I ask Conn to share evidence that they exist, it's that I don't think it's something you can genuinely prove just yet.
I think there is substantial evidence that these "realms" or astral worlds or underworlds or whatever you want to call them, have been explored and mapped out. The question is obviously, WHERE are they?
When we look for a address in physical reality, we may be missing the point. Perhaps they are located on a different frequency on the dial?
I find the theory that somehow, our brains simply come imprinted with a fast landscape of alternate worlds, fantasy realms, astral worlds etc. that are exceedingly complex and, in some cases very well organized to be hard to grasp? For what possible reason do we come with all these virtual worlds? If this is the case, why aren't we born with an intimate understanding of language, etc?
How can we go into a lucid or OOBE state and all the sudden be immersed in a world so gigantic and complex? Where is all that reference data coming from? I have never seen or heard an answer that is credible on that.
My take is that the brain is more of a transmitter and receiver. Physical reality is a stop on the dial. There are many other frequencies or stations. Just because a person cant tune in a frequency on the radio doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are people on this planet that are and have tuned in worlds and participated in them that is far beyond our Western world's knowledge system to understand ...
-------------------- "The universe is endless, limitless and infinite. Any effort to define it's boundaries is an attempt to overcome ignorance. We are physical, mental and spiritual beings ... there is no beginning and there is no end. There is only memory. Our repeated loss of memory experiences create the illusion of beginnings and ends. Immortality is the ability to retain full memory through all consciousness transformations. Loss of memory is man's greatest curse and, in very real terms, death." -- Ancient Taoist Master
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23989520 - 01/07/17 01:03 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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The real question is does it really matter?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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I never used to believe... I started as an atheist and then became agnostic. Now after a year of Instrumental TransCommunication experience it is becoming harder and harder to be an agnostic fence-sitter. It seems there really are places out there, light beings, angels, aliens, trapped souls, negative entities, and powers beyond our everyday perception.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: flickedbic]
#23989645 - 01/07/17 02:02 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I dont think you can prove the existence of "the astral" in a purely scientific sense It really doesnt matter though and Ive never concerned myself with that inevitability
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Repertoire89]
#23989764 - 01/07/17 02:57 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I believe we will experience other dimensions directlty when we die and return to a spirit form.
Untill then we cannot prove other dimensions in our dimension.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Ive had many OBEs, you dont need to die to leave the body
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: flickedbic]
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flickedbic said: I never used to believe... I started as an atheist and then became agnostic. Now after a year of Instrumental TransCommunication experience it is becoming harder and harder to be an agnostic fence-sitter. It seems there really are places out there, light beings, angels, aliens, trapped souls, negative entities, and powers beyond our everyday perception.
I call myself an agnostic, my reasoning behind this is I can tell everyone till I am blue in the face that I have had many interesting experiences while meditating, or with psychs, things I can't explain, but I can't prove those things to others by telling them, so this is why I call myself an agnostic.
Also, perhaps I am using the term wrong, but I call myself agnostic because I have never encountered one thing I would without a doubt call god, but have encountered numerous spiritual things, but wouldn't call them god because I am just not sure what they were, so I use the term agnostic because I feel like it allows me to approach others regarding spiritual matters in a more laid back fashion. If you tell someone you have encountered something which is associated with Buddhism, or Hinduism, or whatever, they will tend to treat you a certain way.
I think it's incredibly arrogant of people that encounter something unknown, to label it as god, it comes off as they have it all figured out, which would mean that god is fashioned in one persons view, which if god exists, then I believe it would take on a form unique for each individual who was searching for that thing, I think if god exists, then it has many faces.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Lucis]
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flickedbic said: I never used to believe... I started as an atheist and then became agnostic. Now after a year of Instrumental TransCommunication experience it is becoming harder and harder to be an agnostic fence-sitter. It seems there really are places out there, light beings, angels, aliens, trapped souls, negative entities, and powers beyond our everyday perception.
I call myself an agnostic, my reasoning behind this is I can tell everyone till I am blue in the face that I have had many interesting experiences while meditating, or with psychs, things I can't explain, but I can't prove those things to others by telling them, so this is why I call myself an agnostic.
Also, perhaps I am using the term wrong, but I call myself agnostic because I have never encountered one thing I would without a doubt call god, but have encountered numerous spiritual things, but wouldn't call them god because I am just not sure what they were, so I use the term agnostic because I feel like it allows me to approach others regarding spiritual matters in a more laid back fashion. If you tell someone you have encountered something which is associated with Buddhism, or Hinduism, or whatever, they will tend to treat you a certain way.
I think it's incredibly arrogant of people that encounter something unknown, to label it as god, it comes off as they have it all figured out, which would mean that god is fashioned in one persons view, which if god exists, then I believe it would take on a form unique for each individual who was searching for that thing, I think if god exists, then it has many faces.
In all fairness, as a staunch atheist, I had mystical experiences where I - for lack of a better term - heard/experienced, "I am God", and also the subsequent tautology of "I am that I am." I never studied religion before this and sure as hell didn't know that the burning bush stated this to Moses.
The statement (awareness) presented itself to me as God, that actual term. I have experienced tautological objective mysticism and "messianic" subjective mysticism. It seems to have its "own" autonomy throughout history; shared mysticism is a consensus of this.
As an atheist, I found this to be beyond bizarre. The term God seems to be a recurring archetype for the experience of oneness/connectivity with the Universe.
It seems to me that the mind - or the conceived autonomous mystical realm - uses this term or such a single term (in a myriad of languages) to relate to the ineffable.
These experiences didn't make me decide that I needed to believe; I experienced, knew, and now know what "God" is.
It's just a term that gets awfully skewed.
My $.02

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That being said, I appreciate religions as a sort of psychological confession, but I do not believe - whatsoever - that there is a divine order, nor God - it's just an experience/perception and subsequent way of viewing the world.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Around In Circles]
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I dont believe in a deity, though I could be persuaded of its existence through direct experience.
Thus far I see no reason to believe one entity could possibly be higher than another, more evolved and further along - yes, but not inherently superior. Existence appears as a cohesive whole to me, all life tied together as the many manifestations of one conscious stream, leaves on a tree, molecules in an ocean. For something to create this is an outlandish assumption, it makes more sense to me that things began as an unmanifested consciousness and gradually evolved to take form, becoming minerals and matter.
Or that life is a product of external processes stemming from cosmic forces, and the internal spiritual world exists as a shared subconscious between life forms on this planet and perhaps others, that our spiritual life is the consciousness of our ecosystem.
/edit: I should clarify in that thought process, there is an additional question as to the reach of our ecosystem and that sort of collective of consciousness. The sun gives our planet life, but the sun and galaxy are also part of a larger process, there might not be any worthwhile distinction between the two ideas.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Repertoire89]
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Saying that astral and alternate "realms" have not been verified or scientifically explored and mapped out is kinda like saying physics doesn't exist because you've never read a book on it. Seriously, there has been a TON of research over the centuries on this topic. Ancient Taoists, Tibetans, Egyptians, Shaman from hundreds of indigenous cultures, modern explorers like Robert Monroe and Stephen LeBerge ...
These are serious people, some who devote their entire lives to the study of this phenomenon. Saying there is no evidence of alternate realms is naive, to put it mildly.
Whether that evidence rises to the level that meets your requirement for "proof" is another story. But there is a LOT of evidence.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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"Proof" in this matter is mere experience.
These conceptions are esoteric for a reason...
As a man with a telescope (and the knowledge of its use) may gain experiential knowledge that goes beyond the purview of the "average" person, a man who has had a mystical experience has experienced something beyond the purview of those who have not.
Discordance is too often the result of mere ignorance; that is, lack of experiential knowledge.

Yet once again, this isn't to support the "reality" of such experienced realms beyond our predisposed perception.
Just as slices of the multiverse (no matter how coherent) cannot interfere with one another; these states of consciousness can only be conceptually appreciated by those who have experienced them firsthand, as they are truly "otherworldly."
Psychedelic states exist in their own world; they can provide a truly alien experience which all too often is entirely incongruent with our accepted consensus of "reality."
Sometimes it just takes a telescope or a psychedelic.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Around In Circles]
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Around In Circles said: "Proof" in this matter is mere experience.
These conceptions are esoteric for a reason...
As a man with a telescope (and the knowledge of its use) may gain experiential knowledge that goes beyond the purview of the "average" person, a man who has had a mystical experience has experienced something beyond the purview of those who have not.
Discordance is too often the result of mere ignorance; that is, lack of experiential knowledge.

Yet once again, this isn't to support the "reality" of such experienced realms beyond our predisposed perception.
Just as slices of the multiverse (no matter how coherent) cannot interfere with one another; these states of consciousness can only be conceptually appreciated by those who have experienced them firsthand, as they are truly "otherworldly."
Psychedelic states exist in their own world; they can provide a truly alien experience which all too often is entirely incongruent with our accepted consensus of "reality."
Sometimes it just takes a telescope or a psychedelic.

The highest levels of theoretical physics is, to some extent an experience as well. A tiny, tiny fraction of humans can understand it and experience the "aha" of grasping what a room full of equations might actually mean.
Not that much different than a group of highly developed Tibetan Monks, 40 years of 10 hours a day meditation, experiencing entry into a realm that we could never hope to understand.
They're just mental models that minute fractions of people can glimpse. The rest of us take their word for it.
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