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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
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Asantes got a direct link to God. Lucky mofo! 
God is a part of you. Almost everybody can cultivate a personal relationship with him but its a matter of belief. Most people here have completely explained God away in their own minds and so are far away from direct communication with him.
I read a paper that assumed that in olden times peoples brains tended to function by their inner God telling them what to do. It seems plausible.
Maybe its pushed back as "the subconscious" in modern times and isnt intended as the subconscious, as something out of your perception.
WHAT is God? Are we talking about an advanced being? Are we talking about the ultra uber creator of the universe that is aware of every thing all at once? Are we talking about a myth/story created to give us a paternal super human judge to keep us in line with fear and promises of the after life?
Which God are you communicating with? Lots to choose from.
Step into my office!
All is One, You are That. You are everybody and all things including the All Encompassing One, GOD. Its all in you.
There is a God level in you and a lowest Demon level so to say, but it is all you.
That God Level can synthesize reality on the objecive level and does so constantly. It can do this in seeming defiance of the laws of the universe, but of course nothing exists outside of that realm, its just much more vast than is known to science.
Reality has 2 faces, one is the one which is addressed by science. It is the face of "seeing is believing". You observe something, make a hypothesis, you know the drill.
Thats only one side of reality.
There is another face, the face of "believing is seeing", this is the side addressed by religion, spirit mediums, magic and witchcraft. It involves that you believe in something unobserved to such a high level within you that your God Level synthesizes it. That sounds like illusion, make-belief, or, nonsense. Thing is, it is not nonsense and quantum physics is getting closer and closer to drag unwilling scientists by their nose into the ream of "believing is seeing".
I have been completely rational, scientific and all that, I'm not the originator of the Chemistry forum for nothing. I studied sciences in my free time all my life. I can do science, me.
Lately I have been deeply exploring the realm of that other face of reality.
Its out there, its in there, its sentient, its discreetly hiding from view and you unlock it with leaps of faith to show it that you are ready, that you won't blow a gasket mentally if it starts to show you the OTHER SIDE.
On the subatomic level, quantum physics uncovers all sorts of crazyness, like quantum entanglement, a sort of telepathy for subatomic particles, objects appearing and disppearing out of thin air and more such "magic" Scientists are banging away with hammers to get the sqare peg of what they see into the round hole of conventional science. Nope, it won't fit and the more they find the more it becomes clear that everything is in fact One and that the Universe is a living sentient thing, solidified consciousness. A place of dualities whos separation is in fact illusory, that an all-encompassing Oneness in fact underlies it.
Bullshit huh?
This spirit I interact with usually speaks through my Nkondi, an entity of Congolese Voodoo. Very unassuming and nonthreatening.
He invites me to leaps of faith, which are always harmless excurions from the prison of reductionist logic into the free world of creationist logic (not Christian creationist) and when I do and do this I almost matter of factly get proof. Tagible proof.
In December and January I had some money tightness. I wouldnt have made it if not I got a christmas present from the Quantum Void. I was given a quantum physics story that goes a little like this:
"If you put something in an area you cannot observe, it both is and isnt there at the same time, in superposition like Schödingers Cat, until you open the box and let the cat out, right? As a christmas present to you I have put four 50 euro bills (over $200) in your empty wallet in your closet." I looked and they were there and certainly werent before. I got explained: "You and I pulled these 4 bills together out of the quantum void to reward your Belief. Go to the bank, put them in the deposit ATM and you will notice something special." So I did, and the machine refused the bills as unrecognized. He said: "It has to do with reality, now press again." I pressed, bam, all four accepted, and I was 200 bucks richer. "On behalf of the Nkondi Quantum Counterfeiting Press - Merry Christmas Nganga!"
So there!
At christmas I went to a friend for christmas dinner, the red rooster we sacrificed, which turned out to be for the Chinese Zodiac year of the RED Rooster. I had no money on me, A friend drove us and would drive us back. But! This friend got quite high on beer and weed and presto, I was without a ride back! I borrowed a tenner and hit the bus. A toicket of 6 euros, so I got 2 coins of 2 euros which i quickly slipped into my empty pants pocket. Come January 3 I went to the pool for a belated new years dive. My injured foot started cramping up after some hours of swimming so my Nkondi offered: "Get a 2 euro coin from your pants pocket and get a can of soda, trust me, ITS ON ME!" OK, so I went to my locker and BAM! There were THREE 2 euro coins in the otherwise empty pocket. I got the soda, swam and decided to take a snack from one of the two remaining 2 euro coins. Went there, hand in Schödingers Pocket and BAM! There were three again and my Nkondi said "I told you it was on me, it didnt feel right that way so I did it again, in cooperation ofcourse with your spirit! Enjoy your meal."
Right?
These kind of things keep happening to me and the deniability factor of them becomes smaller and smaller. This we agreed on to ease me into a harry potter like reality where stuff just comes out of nowhere - because miracles, even beneficial ones, HURT you if you do not beluieve because they force you into a paradigm shift tyhat you might not want or are not ready for. My Nkondi insists that a mindfuck should be consensual and tender and not a mind RAPE.
I have seen and continue to see ever increasing stuff like this. I believe to the level that things now become objectively real, even to a deposit ATM.
As hard as it is for you to believe what I just described, as hard it is for me to descend back into "muggle" reality. I've seen tons of this stuff and its real. Reality has a Magic dimension and I have awoken it in me. It will go further and further and and I cant wait to get to the level where ridiculous things start to happen. I don't know, maybe even win the lottery.
What do you call someone who talks with spirits and who actually pulls 50 euro bills and coins out of thin air? That's not illness, that's not illusion, thats a Wizard guys and thats what I've been prepared for all my life with clairvoyant visions that were sent back in time by my future self. Yes you can do that.
So, delusionist or...? Your call. My reality does not depend on yours. I stay on this train until I decide to get off it. But oh my God what I have seen. I can no longer deny it. Fuck chemistry. You don't need a lab. If you can pull 4 fifty dollar bills out of thin air, why not droogz? And in fact I already did that multiple times, doses of MXE appearing out of nowhere, me taking them, getting high and having a jolly old time.
Scary huh?
Think up an explanation for what I wrote here that is comfortable to you. Maybe I am congused, maybe I am lying through my teeth and manybe, just maybe, all those spirit mediums and wizards throughout the world and of all time in fact do have some kind of point to make.
Chances are the reader of this post is in "muggle reality". If that starts to feel as a prison, reach inward with love and respect and leaps of faith will bring you there as long as you dont do stupid stuff. We all have it in us but few are called to do something with it, just like becoming a computer programmer those things can liedormant all your life without you being worse for wear.
But I tell you guys..
GET THAT LITTLE PIECE OF SILVER IN THE FIRST 100 DAYS OF THIS YEAR FOR THE PURPOSE OF LETTING MAGIC INTO YOUR LIFE.
Be That Fool
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Shroomopotamus]
#23987284 - 01/06/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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damn shroomapotamus, its been a minute!
Welcome back.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PreparationH]
#23987450 - 01/06/17 06:50 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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wow fuck i just voted yes when i meant to vote no...
obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Connoisseur] 2
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Connoisseur said: obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
Prove it.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PatrickKn]
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Connoisseur said: obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
Prove it. 
Just because YOU can't understand theoretical physics and the equations that define particle physics ... doesn't mean it doesn't exist
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Just because YOU can't understand how to read the music and play the symphonies that Mozart wrote ... doesn't mean that music doesn't exist
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Just because YOU haven't developed the mental skills of concentration to control your brain waves to tune in other realms ... doesn't mean they don't exist.
We rely on experts in physics, music and other arts and scientists to explain to us what we see.
We need to consider relying on the testimony of experts that have ability to experience non-ordinary reality with much greater skill and fluidity than 99.99% of the population ...
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23987734 - 01/06/17 08:48 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I'm gonna say yes
But they aren't "out there"
Most of them are in people's heads
***at least that's my theory
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Connoisseur]
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Connoisseur said: wow fuck i just voted yes when i meant to vote no...
obviously its proven there are other dimensions lol
I did the same and didnt notice until reading your post
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Repertoire89] 1
#23988540 - 01/07/17 04:33 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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If you really want to see how much work and science has been put into discovery, mapping and exploring these "realms" and where exactly they might be, you really should read three books by Robert Monroe.
1) Journeys Out Of the Body 2) Far Journeys 3) Ultimate Journey
If you really believe that all these realms are just "inside your head" and for whatever reason, we come into this life with an infinite number of dream/hallucinatory realms just implanted in our consciousness like virtual reality coding and there's no real realm out there, read his books.
He scientifically explored this, in a sober way, over decades with a lab, brain wave monitoring equipment, etc. It's eye opening to say the least.
This guy had THOUSANDS of lengthy out of body experiences where he developed relationships with sources in these realms and was shown the architecture of how it works and WHERE these realms actually are.
It's well written and very accessible to skeptical Western thinking people.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23989404 - 01/07/17 12:13 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'm going to interject with you right there man. I've read all the of those books and am an avid lucid dreamer myself, and I've had my fair share of experiences with DMT and out of body experiences with that as well.
After your first post in the thread I gave you the benefit of the doubt because perhaps you knew more about physics than myself and have seen evidence for other dimensions beyond theory and hypothesis. But it seems you're mixing up ideas of places that exist with reality.
Claiming that people's experience in these realms is irrefutable proof that they exist is misguided however. It's not that I have no experience with other realms that I ask Conn to share evidence that they exist, it's that I don't think it's something you can genuinely prove just yet.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: PatrickKn]
#23989460 - 01/07/17 12:39 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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PatrickKn said: I'm going to interject with you right there man. I've read all the of those books and am an avid lucid dreamer myself, and I've had my fair share of experiences with DMT and out of body experiences with that as well.
After your first post in the thread I gave you the benefit of the doubt because perhaps you knew more about physics than myself and have seen evidence for other dimensions beyond theory and hypothesis. But it seems you're mixing up ideas of places that exist with reality.
Claiming that people's experience in these realms is irrefutable proof that they exist is misguided however. It's not that I have no experience with other realms that I ask Conn to share evidence that they exist, it's that I don't think it's something you can genuinely prove just yet.
I think there is substantial evidence that these "realms" or astral worlds or underworlds or whatever you want to call them, have been explored and mapped out. The question is obviously, WHERE are they?
When we look for a address in physical reality, we may be missing the point. Perhaps they are located on a different frequency on the dial?
I find the theory that somehow, our brains simply come imprinted with a fast landscape of alternate worlds, fantasy realms, astral worlds etc. that are exceedingly complex and, in some cases very well organized to be hard to grasp? For what possible reason do we come with all these virtual worlds? If this is the case, why aren't we born with an intimate understanding of language, etc?
How can we go into a lucid or OOBE state and all the sudden be immersed in a world so gigantic and complex? Where is all that reference data coming from? I have never seen or heard an answer that is credible on that.
My take is that the brain is more of a transmitter and receiver. Physical reality is a stop on the dial. There are many other frequencies or stations. Just because a person cant tune in a frequency on the radio doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There are people on this planet that are and have tuned in worlds and participated in them that is far beyond our Western world's knowledge system to understand ...
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23989520 - 01/07/17 01:03 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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The real question is does it really matter?
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23989548 - 01/07/17 01:19 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I never used to believe... I started as an atheist and then became agnostic. Now after a year of Instrumental TransCommunication experience it is becoming harder and harder to be an agnostic fence-sitter. It seems there really are places out there, light beings, angels, aliens, trapped souls, negative entities, and powers beyond our everyday perception.
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All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental. Blessing.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: flickedbic]
#23989645 - 01/07/17 02:02 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I dont think you can prove the existence of "the astral" in a purely scientific sense It really doesnt matter though and Ive never concerned myself with that inevitability
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Repertoire89]
#23989764 - 01/07/17 02:57 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I believe we will experience other dimensions directlty when we die and return to a spirit form.
Untill then we cannot prove other dimensions in our dimension.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23989771 - 01/07/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Ive had many OBEs, you dont need to die to leave the body
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: flickedbic]
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flickedbic said: I never used to believe... I started as an atheist and then became agnostic. Now after a year of Instrumental TransCommunication experience it is becoming harder and harder to be an agnostic fence-sitter. It seems there really are places out there, light beings, angels, aliens, trapped souls, negative entities, and powers beyond our everyday perception.
I call myself an agnostic, my reasoning behind this is I can tell everyone till I am blue in the face that I have had many interesting experiences while meditating, or with psychs, things I can't explain, but I can't prove those things to others by telling them, so this is why I call myself an agnostic.
Also, perhaps I am using the term wrong, but I call myself agnostic because I have never encountered one thing I would without a doubt call god, but have encountered numerous spiritual things, but wouldn't call them god because I am just not sure what they were, so I use the term agnostic because I feel like it allows me to approach others regarding spiritual matters in a more laid back fashion. If you tell someone you have encountered something which is associated with Buddhism, or Hinduism, or whatever, they will tend to treat you a certain way.
I think it's incredibly arrogant of people that encounter something unknown, to label it as god, it comes off as they have it all figured out, which would mean that god is fashioned in one persons view, which if god exists, then I believe it would take on a form unique for each individual who was searching for that thing, I think if god exists, then it has many faces.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Lucis]
#23990118 - 01/07/17 04:55 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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flickedbic said: I never used to believe... I started as an atheist and then became agnostic. Now after a year of Instrumental TransCommunication experience it is becoming harder and harder to be an agnostic fence-sitter. It seems there really are places out there, light beings, angels, aliens, trapped souls, negative entities, and powers beyond our everyday perception.
I call myself an agnostic, my reasoning behind this is I can tell everyone till I am blue in the face that I have had many interesting experiences while meditating, or with psychs, things I can't explain, but I can't prove those things to others by telling them, so this is why I call myself an agnostic.
Also, perhaps I am using the term wrong, but I call myself agnostic because I have never encountered one thing I would without a doubt call god, but have encountered numerous spiritual things, but wouldn't call them god because I am just not sure what they were, so I use the term agnostic because I feel like it allows me to approach others regarding spiritual matters in a more laid back fashion. If you tell someone you have encountered something which is associated with Buddhism, or Hinduism, or whatever, they will tend to treat you a certain way.
I think it's incredibly arrogant of people that encounter something unknown, to label it as god, it comes off as they have it all figured out, which would mean that god is fashioned in one persons view, which if god exists, then I believe it would take on a form unique for each individual who was searching for that thing, I think if god exists, then it has many faces.
In all fairness, as a staunch atheist, I had mystical experiences where I - for lack of a better term - heard/experienced, "I am God", and also the subsequent tautology of "I am that I am." I never studied religion before this and sure as hell didn't know that the burning bush stated this to Moses.
The statement (awareness) presented itself to me as God, that actual term. I have experienced tautological objective mysticism and "messianic" subjective mysticism. It seems to have its "own" autonomy throughout history; shared mysticism is a consensus of this.
As an atheist, I found this to be beyond bizarre. The term God seems to be a recurring archetype for the experience of oneness/connectivity with the Universe.
It seems to me that the mind - or the conceived autonomous mystical realm - uses this term or such a single term (in a myriad of languages) to relate to the ineffable.
These experiences didn't make me decide that I needed to believe; I experienced, knew, and now know what "God" is.
It's just a term that gets awfully skewed.
My $.02

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That being said, I appreciate religions as a sort of psychological confession, but I do not believe - whatsoever - that there is a divine order, nor God - it's just an experience/perception and subsequent way of viewing the world.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Around In Circles]
#23990193 - 01/07/17 05:14 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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I dont believe in a deity, though I could be persuaded of its existence through direct experience.
Thus far I see no reason to believe one entity could possibly be higher than another, more evolved and further along - yes, but not inherently superior. Existence appears as a cohesive whole to me, all life tied together as the many manifestations of one conscious stream, leaves on a tree, molecules in an ocean. For something to create this is an outlandish assumption, it makes more sense to me that things began as an unmanifested consciousness and gradually evolved to take form, becoming minerals and matter.
Or that life is a product of external processes stemming from cosmic forces, and the internal spiritual world exists as a shared subconscious between life forms on this planet and perhaps others, that our spiritual life is the consciousness of our ecosystem.
/edit: I should clarify in that thought process, there is an additional question as to the reach of our ecosystem and that sort of collective of consciousness. The sun gives our planet life, but the sun and galaxy are also part of a larger process, there might not be any worthwhile distinction between the two ideas.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: Repertoire89]
#23990910 - 01/07/17 08:57 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Saying that astral and alternate "realms" have not been verified or scientifically explored and mapped out is kinda like saying physics doesn't exist because you've never read a book on it. Seriously, there has been a TON of research over the centuries on this topic. Ancient Taoists, Tibetans, Egyptians, Shaman from hundreds of indigenous cultures, modern explorers like Robert Monroe and Stephen LeBerge ...
These are serious people, some who devote their entire lives to the study of this phenomenon. Saying there is no evidence of alternate realms is naive, to put it mildly.
Whether that evidence rises to the level that meets your requirement for "proof" is another story. But there is a LOT of evidence.
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Re: Do you think there are other realms or universes? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23991028 - 01/07/17 09:32 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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"Proof" in this matter is mere experience.
These conceptions are esoteric for a reason...
As a man with a telescope (and the knowledge of its use) may gain experiential knowledge that goes beyond the purview of the "average" person, a man who has had a mystical experience has experienced something beyond the purview of those who have not.
Discordance is too often the result of mere ignorance; that is, lack of experiential knowledge.

Yet once again, this isn't to support the "reality" of such experienced realms beyond our predisposed perception.
Just as slices of the multiverse (no matter how coherent) cannot interfere with one another; these states of consciousness can only be conceptually appreciated by those who have experienced them firsthand, as they are truly "otherworldly."
Psychedelic states exist in their own world; they can provide a truly alien experience which all too often is entirely incongruent with our accepted consensus of "reality."
Sometimes it just takes a telescope or a psychedelic.
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