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Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce?
    #23982914 - 01/05/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

When talking about cubensis and bulk. I know we want our substrate to be around 3-4" for best results. However, I was wondering how a very thin layer would produce?

Like, lets say we use a QT of Spawn and => QT of Sub. in a 20 QT tub. Giving approx 1" or less overall Sub. I would assume adding a casing would almost be required? Thoughts?

Cool pictures to show me?


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #23982933 - 01/05/17 01:07 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

have atter and post your results...


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: PsilocyBen17]
    #23982937 - 01/05/17 01:13 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

If it doesn't contaminate. I will! :smile:


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #23982975 - 01/05/17 02:10 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Ive done it, though I dont think I have the pics any more.

You basically end up with a smaller fruit bodies due to less moisture retention of the substrate.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #23982979 - 01/05/17 02:13 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Just case the grains in a 6qt show box.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: tump]
    #23983147 - 01/05/17 05:46 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

I either used the wrong jar or it was mislabeled. Was first time trying to spawn Pan Cyans in a 1 inch sub. Pretty damn sure this isn't Pans :P

All i got was one big(ish) shroom growing out the side, grew weird (not sure if contamed) but had this weird fuzzy, rough outershell. Eventually, after a lot of misting, and coxing, it flushed some pins, but it was pretty poor. One fat twisted mutant in the middle and a faerie ring of small ass shrooms and a few stragglers here ad there. Will definitely go for 4inch subs.



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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: dracolusus]
    #23983381 - 01/05/17 09:02 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Kind of interesting you even got that big guy out of that small sub.

So, long story short I decided to use a questionable jar of spawn that likely had some bacteria since the master jar I tested ended up having bacteria(but survived check it here).  I had a tiny bit of sub left from one of my other projects. Less than the amount of spawn. If anything, maybe it will colonize quickly?

I'll take a picture here. Chances are it may not even make it.


I normally don't case due to issues I've had in the past. But since it is so thin I may have to case to get any results.

I'm only doing this for the fun of it. I don't care either way. I am in hopes that the high spawn vs sub ratio will help it survive.

I spawned this little project Monday evening. It is now Thursday Morning.



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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #23983391 - 01/05/17 09:09 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Ive gotten a zip dry first flush from 4 cups of spawn roughly 1 mycoqt.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: spore-ty]
    #23983434 - 01/05/17 09:29 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Nice! what did you use for the container? Check out  my candy dish projects. Those are always fun too. Mine is on its second flush right now.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers] * 1
    #23983602 - 01/05/17 10:56 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

My sub was around 1 and maybe 1/2 inches and It got bacterial but still had some big fruit.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: TheDuder]
    #23983703 - 01/05/17 11:41 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

this substrate was 1.5inches thick. maybe less.


these were from ~1inch ..one of my most potent grows. intense.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: mushboy]
    #23983954 - 01/05/17 01:32 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)






1-1.5"


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: cronicr]
    #23983962 - 01/05/17 01:35 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: cronicr]
    #23984435 - 01/05/17 04:34 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Those are obviously not your basic multispore correct? What casing did you use?


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #23984438 - 01/05/17 04:35 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

yes those are simple ms cased with a very thin layer of coir:thumbup:


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: cronicr] * 1
    #23997046 - 01/10/17 12:12 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Came across this pic today. Thought I had deleted it...



Thin sub, second flush. Cant remember why it was on a rack though.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23997060 - 01/10/17 12:24 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Came across this pic today. Thought I had deleted it...



Thin sub, second flush. Cant remember why it was on a rack though.



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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23997693 - 01/10/17 09:38 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Wow....I actually had a similar idea about using all sides of the substrate. From your experience does this give you a better yield?

I can tell from that picture you are a busy busy person! :smile:


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: cronicr]
    #23997728 - 01/10/17 10:02 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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1-1.5"



With a sub that thin, do you trash after the first flush? Or is it still worth keeping around


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: Tookitooki]
    #23998285 - 01/10/17 01:44 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I didn't notice any increase in yeild.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #23998581 - 01/10/17 03:58 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Once pin heads form, stop misting the casing. Water is not the only factor in determining fruit size. Another major factor is substrate depth. What species is this anyway? (I'm assuming cubensis).

The casing doesn't really hold much moisture, it provides a micro climate for primordia growth. The water content should not be an issue on the first flush.




Sorry, but that is flat-out wrong.  I can't just let it slide.  I've worked for many years to overcome bad advice that was given out in the early days when mushrooms growing was not understood.

NEVER stop misting.  Growing mushrooms require moisture AND fresh air.  If you're providing the proper amount of fresh air, your fruits and your substrate will dry out.  This leads to small fruits.  You MUST mist from the pin stage all the way to mature fruits if you want a proper flush.

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The casing doesn't really hold much moisture



Again, incorrect.  The purpose of a casing layer(when used) is to hold moisture to support the flush.  By misting, or even pouring water directly on the casing layer surface, the mycelium that has partially colonized the casing can absorb this moisture and carry it to the substrate, where it can help the developing mushrooms to grow.

The reason deeper substrates support larger flushes and fruits is because larger substrates hold more moisture.  If you give proper moisture control to small substrates, they will perform well too.  It's all about water, as can be seen by the picture below of very large mushrooms on a very small substrate.  It's all about misting and fresh air, from initiation through harvest.
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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23998712 - 01/10/17 04:49 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

that looks like a bitch to get out of the jar without em breaking


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: Ziran]
    #23998728 - 01/10/17 04:53 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

The BE on that single jar has got to be amazing.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #24016986 - 01/17/17 10:20 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

I didn't want to update until I was almost 100% sure this tub wasn't going to contaminate. It appears to be pinning beautifully right now so I'll assume it wont trich yet. . .

Here are the details.

I had two fully colonized jars of WBS. I G2G most of those into more jars. The little that was left I made two small projects. The one looked like it had some bacteria issues. But it actually survived and fruited really well. However, I was concerned about the jars I G2G to. They looked iffy because a few spots in the jar didn't want to colonize 100% right away.

So I took one of those jars and pasteurized some substrate. To ensure it would colonize quickly I used more of a 1/0.5 ratio. It colonized 100% in less than 7 days. on the 7th day I decided to put a casing on top. Since it is what I had laying around I used some verm and coir. 60/40 tek.

I let it colonize the casing for about a day and a half and put it into fruiting.

It obviously didn't want to stop colonizing! But it finally started to show some knotting a few days ago and today I see some nice pins forming!

Interested to see how well it produces with a sub that looks maybe an inch.


If you look closely you can see all the pins forming. :grin:


Here is a side view to show how thin the sub is.


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #24017006 - 01/17/17 10:29 AM (7 years, 13 days ago)

nice work dude!!

your casing mix is more of a toplayer since myc eat coco like its coco puffs but i do the same.
also thin substrate..also pinning and side pinning.

ive been leaving my lid open a bit too.. im around 24/7 to keep surface conditions legit. :smirk:


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: mushboy]
    #24021604 - 01/18/17 10:36 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

I am actually excited about this one. With my limited experience it has proven that adding a casing always causes the tub to perform better.




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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #24021620 - 01/18/17 10:40 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

no casing on the ones in my signature :shrug:


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24021648 - 01/18/17 11:00 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

Are any of those MS?


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Re: Do you have pictures of what thin substrate would produce? [Re: MagicFingers]
    #24021706 - 01/18/17 11:34 PM (7 years, 11 days ago)

The third one.


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