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dope poll
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Junksters! Which grade of dope is your favorite?
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech] 3
#23982768 - 01/04/17 11:01 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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your poll is all fucked up because thats not even the proper definitions for the #1-4 and no STAL
i voted #4 anyway but ive only tried #4 and BTH never #3 or the raw morphine
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That's the west orange grading system. JERSEY LIFE
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I've done every prescription opiate prescribed in my area. Heroin isn't very available in my town. I'd love to try me some diacetylmorphine.
I didn't vote in the poll because no STAL.
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
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Fucking love gunpowder
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#23982927 - 01/05/17 01:03 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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You could also deep web it
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Myrrh wasn't an option so I didn't vote. But a solid dose of myrrh with some wild dagga is on par with the dopest dope you've ever smoked.
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"the doppest dope youve ever smoked"
I swear thats a hip hop line somewhere...
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Yeah I though gunpowder is just tar cut with powder. I don't even know what "brown sugar" is, probably the same thing. It's all #4 or contains diacetylmorph hcl.
I always liked dirty dope that is super degraded and makes my face sting, so I bet I would like tar. Never tried it tho.
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech] 7
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czech said: That's the west orange grading system. JERSEY LIFE
Gunpowder is just a variety of black tar heroin. And I doubt you have steady access to it in New Jersey. I've copped dope all over that state and only ever seen standard wax bags in NJ. I think you just pulled that pic off a google image search, made up some weird ass "grading system", and made a nonsensical poll about it for some reason. "Junksters"? Who says that? Terrible thread.
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I don't understand this poll at all, which is a good thing I suppose.
I'm not good at heroin and I don't think OP is either.
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
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czech said: That's the west orange grading system. JERSEY LIFE
West orange is one of the richest towns in the state, a lot of ny giants and jets and other celebs live there
Now east Orange... That's the ghetto
Also Burke is right, I've only ever see or heard of wax stamps and powder dope, and I've been in A LOT of the ghettos in the garden state, irvington Newark east Orange Paterson etc...
Port of Newark and port of Elizabeth is why we have the purest dope in the country
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I swear thats a hip hop line somewhere...
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czech said: That's the west orange grading system. JERSEY LIFE
Gunpowder is just a variety of black tar heroin. And I doubt you have steady access to it in New Jersey. I've copped dope all over that state and only ever seen standard wax bags in NJ. I think you just pulled that pic off a google image search, made up some weird ass "grading system", and made a nonsensical poll about it for some reason. "Junksters"? Who says that? Terrible thread.
pretty sure you can only get gunpowder out west, or i guess wherever there is tar. i've gotten gunpowder a few times in a few different places of california.
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I swear thats a hip hop line somewhere...
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Burke what do the numbers mean? Is it purity?
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It's levels of refinement. I forget what #1 & #2 are for sure, I think 1 is refined opium, in the first step, #2 is morphine. #3 is heroin freebase, and #4 is heroin HCl.
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i thought they were all just different forms of heroin.... no?
like different powder and tar...
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Ahh at first I thought there was a certain number for snorties, a certain number for smokies and a certain number for shooties.
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yeah #3 can be smoked without adding something like caffiene to the mix, #4 is water soluble without using an acid so it can be snorted or injected.
Tar isn't really either, it is just extremely crude and unrefined, so who knows what the fuck the form the molecules are in.
#1 and #2 hardly mean anything outside of countries that produce heroin, and they probably call these forms something else anyway, so that doesn't matter too much.
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No.
I found this quote on the subject:
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The numbering system was devised by the US DEA in the very early 1970s and is as follows:
Heroin #1: Morphine Freebase or Morphine HCL
Heroin #2: Heroin Acetate or Heroin Freebase
Heroin #3: #4 heroin but specifically altered at the POM (Point of Manufacture) to make it conducive for smoking. The technical definition is a 60:40 mix, with 60 representing heroin hcl. and 40 representing caffeine hcl.
Heroin #4: Heroin hcl made specifically for injection.
...but I'm not sure how accurate that is.
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We need to get dust bunny in here, he probably knows. I do know that it's different levels of refinement, not different forms.
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I mean the heroin they produce in Afghanistan is #3. That is not Heroin HCL cut with caffiene, that is heroin base.
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That's what I had been lead to believe as well. And that morphine was #2 (or maybe I'm remembering it wrong).
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I mean it's a pretty arbitrary classification in any case, but from the links I see it seems people have adopted the idea without really sticking to that original numbering system the DEA made.
I mean these days you could call it number 4 and it would really be fentanyl. Who fuckin knows what drugs is.
And I think Heroin acetate is #2, morphine is #1.
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Shit's getting crazy out there with fentanyl. As if heroin use wasn't risky enough before, but now it's bonkers. Scary shit for sure, glad I'm done with it finally. In March I'll be 3 years away from heroin addiction.
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Dustbunny knows all. I picture him in a room like russel crowe in that movie a beautiful mind with information all over the walls about all forms of drugs.

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Yeah I feel like I'm done with it. I did kick before and feel like I was done and made it 18 months, but then I got depressed or whatever. I remember it pretty vividly I was living in my car and I was it Philadelphia and I just couldn't sleep so I drove straight back 6 hours to where I live and immediately bought some bags.
It's like you can't even really feel what it takes from you while you're on it. How much you're missing in life. How pathetic it is to be satisfied nodding out and drooling on yourself when you should be living your life.
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
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Heroin purity has been classified into four grades. No.4 is the purest form – white powder (salt) to be easily dissolved and injected. No.3 is "gunpowder" for smoking (base). No.1 and No.2 are unprocessed raw heroin (salt or base).
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Yeah man, well said! It is lame as hell. I hope you're able to stay off it this time.
And yeah, starstepper, bunny's got a beautiful drug mind. He'd win a Nobel prize like John Nash, if they awarded one for drugs. The Nobel Drug Prize.
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Do you have a link to a source on that, Czech? Is gunpowder just BTH that's cut with caffeine? I've read conflicting things.
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No gunpowder is tar that is mixed with powder.
Burke, that chart you posted is weird.... I've never heard of #1 and #2 from yer chart.
There seems to be a lot of different definitions for the numbers.
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
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czech said: Heroin purity has been classified into four grades. No.4 is the purest form – white powder (salt) to be easily dissolved and injected. No.3 is "gunpowder" for smoking (base). No.1 and No.2 are unprocessed raw heroin (salt or base).
This is what I've seen
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"Gunpowder is tar mixed with powder"
What kind of powder? Caffeine powder? Because if it's mixed with powder heroin4, then gunpowder is just 2 kinda of #4.
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I don't have a source but that's the grade system i've always known. Gunpowder is tar supplemented with pressed diamorphine salts. It should dissolve instantly in water. Caffiene is too expensive so if you were to cut it you'd have to break up the bricks, mix in vitamin b12 only (everything else has flavor or scent of some sort you can tell if h is cut with lots of things because it won't be so sickeningly sweet smelling, and re press it because if it's powder than it's not called gunpowder, just brown sugar. Gunpowder comes in bricks most of the stuff in jersey was from DNM. I think the vendor used to have a wolf stamp on the 50 gram bricks.
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Since tar contains #4, and diamorphine salts are #4, why would gunpowder not be #4?
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They do not differentiate substances it's a grading system based on purity.
That's a decent example. Diamorphine is what heroin actually is, the impurities in tar change it's properties, most of the impurities are 6-MAM,

Pure morphine and heroin are both fine powders. Tar's unique appearance and texture is due to its acetylation without benefit of the usual reflux apparatus: the Wright-Beckett process substitutes common acetic acid for high-purity acetic anhydride in the acetylating process and omits the refluxing steps, making black tar cruder but cheaper and faster to produce than true heroin. It should also be noted that the percent of the remainder[clarification needed] of black tar heroin is often other psychoactive opiate substances, like monoacetylmorphine in the form of 3- and 6-monoacetylmorphine (3-MAM and 6-MAM) as well as the toxic 6-Monoacetylcodeine as well as the usual adulterants and diluents found in other forms of heroin.
The abnormally high 3-MAM content is due to the less than optimum acetylating agent combined with a different reaction time for the acetylation procedure. Varying levels of 6-MAM are due to the process of hydrolysis or from the process of using a catalyst in the creation of the product from the beginning (6-MAM being more potent by weight than 3,6-AM or "heroin" proper), a natural decomposition of heroin, which is accelerated when the heroin comes into contact with moisture. In 2006, ten-year-old samples of black tar heroin held as evidence were found to contain 51% and 63% 6-MAM by the Vista, California, U.S. DEA laboratory.[7]
40 percent afghan heroin is equal to about 30 percent purity black tar.[citation needed] Most black tar heroin is between 55 and 93 percent purity[citation needed]. In black tar heroin the morphine is concentrated in liquid opium to approximately 90 percent purity.[citation needed] Instead of extracting the morphine from the opium, it is instead concentrated within the opium sap and acetylated as is. This is what gives it that gummy appearance.
The assumption that tar has less adulterants and diluents is a misconception. The most common adulterant is lactose, which is added to tar via dissolution of both substances in a liquid medium, reheating and filtering, and then recrystallizing. This process is very simple and can be accomplished in any kitchen with no level of expertise needed.
The price per kilogram of black tar heroin has increased from one-tenth that of South American powder heroin in the mid-1990s to between one-half and three-quarters in 2003 due to increased distributional acumen combined with increased demand in black tar's traditional realm of distribution. Black tar heroin distribution has steadily risen in recent years, while that of U.S. east coast powder varieties has dropped; heroin production in Colombia has decreased[8] as U.S.-funded efforts to eradicate Colombian poppy fields continue.
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
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When purchasing does the # affect the price?
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I'm pretty sure the reason you can smoke tar is because with tar it will kinda bead up and vaporize rather than burn, because of the resins or water in it or something, not because it is mixed with caffiene. Gunpowder generally isn't intended for smoking, but snorting rather, as you can't snort regular tar easily.
Pretty sure czech is wrong about what gunpowder it. It is tar made into powder form. Not sure of the exact process but it involves cuts, and if it is good, it will turn back to tar if exposed to moisture.
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It's crystallized tar. It's usually cut sparingly with vitamin b12.
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That's kind of an oxymoron I think and what is this about then?
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Gunpowder is tar supplemented with pressed diamorphine salts.
And it would not be hard at all to cut caffeine into tar at all, it just isn't necessary to smoke. People probably cut caffeine as well as many other things into tar.
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There is no reason to ever use caffiene. It's more expensive than b12 and it's a dead giveaway to the fact you're cutting it.
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Are you kidding me? They do it to make more money. It's a common cut for many street drugs.
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b12 is better than caffiene in every way for cutting any drug.
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Uhh yeah since when has that mattered?
I think they use actual coffee to cut tar I've heard
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Yeah heroin powder, from what I am aware of. And you are right on it being a different type of 4, essentially.
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The entire thing was devised by the DEA, there's not much logic to it when "#1 Heroin" is Morphine HCl. In short-
#1: Morphine HCl #2: Diamorphine (Heroin) freebase #3: Diamorphine HCl cut more than 1:1 with caffeine and other agents to aid vaporization. Pretty much exclusively used in countries which previously smoked the freebase when supply was lost. Nonexistent today. #4: Diamorphine HCl
Tar was not a part of this "grading scale". Tar as a salt smokes as well as the freebase simply because there is a wide enough window between boiling and decomposition points, that's all that determines it. Not all drugs are most efficiently smoked as the base, meth being the most commonly used example.
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Thanks dude. So BTH & gunpowder are both #4 then, right?
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Do you have an original source for those being the official DEA numbers? Not that it matters but this is the first I have heard of #3 not being heroin base. It seems the DEA has long abandoned it and all I can find are some forum posts without citation.
I always thought it had to do with the steps of manufacture though

1 through 4 are the bottom 4 in my understanding.
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No problem, thank Lavod for that knowledge actually. Tar/gunpowder could be considered #4, as it's certainly not #1-3, or it could be considered its own thing entirely: acetyl-opium(?) if you will. It contains diamorphine as well, but also the stronger 6-MAM and other actives, as well as undesirable alkaloids (and of course plenty of unwanted organic matter).
I don't think there is any known online citation for them, just reputable old forum members sharing it 10+ years ago across the web, but you can see the numbers referenced here.
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so heroin is just morphine?
i thought heroin was a bunch of various alkoloids?
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Heroin is just a brand name (Bayer's) for diacetylmorphine, or diamorphine. Tar is a crude synthesis containing other actives and inactives, but mainly diamorphine.
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Some people aren't that way though, dope gave me incredible motivation to do anything, talk to anyone, it was my favorite hard drug because I would get a huge rush of energy and only catch a nod if I was sitting still, I have always been different like this, amphetamines mellow me out, opiates stimulate me. I would do a push with a friend and he would sit there mumbling and drooling while I was ready to go, go, go, funny how that works.
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That's how it is for most people in the honeymoon phase. I take it you weren't an addict for too long, relatively. Things are different when you've been at it for 10+ years.
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Re: dope poll [Re: Lucis]
#23986175 - 01/06/17 10:13 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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True. Fucking is pretty dope hahaha
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
#23986204 - 01/06/17 10:31 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hey hey hey smoke heroin everyday.
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#23986211 - 01/06/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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thread is so undope
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Re: dope poll [Re: 1234go]
#23986235 - 01/06/17 10:42 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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That is hurtful. I try hard to make a good thread and THIS is the thanks I get?!
Baka!
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#23986248 - 01/06/17 10:47 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Burke Dennings said: That's how it is for most people in the honeymoon phase. I take it you weren't an addict for too long, relatively. Things are different when you've been at it for 10+ years.
Yeah I was a "I don't even nod" type of addicts for at least 5 or 6 years. It's true that it different for everyone, but what is mostly universal is that you will end up crossing lines you said you wouldn't cross if you end up hooked.
I know I had to learn it myself, people are gonna do what people are gonna do and probably just resent me if I try to give advice. I'm not saying everyone who does opiates will end up hooked, but it is incredibly easy to do and has some pretty shit prospects associated with it. Not like you can just back out when you realize you've taken it too far.
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Re: dope poll [Re: Lucis]
#23987542 - 01/06/17 07:26 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah I hear that, but after a while you're going to waste a significant amount of time sitting around drooling. Staying up all night nodding instead of sleeping.
I know people who will straight up nod in my face but when I wake them up, they will get indignant and say they weren't nodding. This seems to be a common thing actually. The heroin tells you that this sort of behavior is ok, and the more heroin you take the less you care about the essential drives and feelings associated with being a human.
It can make some things easier, but you will still get irritated and bored, especially once tolerance sets in, then you take more and that is when you start nodding when you don't want to.
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moonrockmushy said: The heroin tells you that this sort of behavior is ok, and the more heroin you take the less you care about the essential drives and feelings associated with being a human.
I have known my fair share of junkies that were like this, but I also think that some people can use any drug and not be this way, that's how I was when I used to use, I always wanted to be doing something, not just nodding out, I was usually alone in this behavior though, can't remember any of the people I used to do dope with that had the same drive I did.
For example, I had a job for a while that was physically demanding, I got the job through a friend that used, he would often nod out in the work vehicle, while I was high as a kite, but ready to get shit done.
I understand everyone is wired differently though, so how dope made me feel, is not how it makes many people feel.
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Re: dope poll [Re: Lucis]
#23988158 - 01/06/17 11:24 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've used pills/heroin for 14 years got hemmed up for a couple years, then came out a with a different outlook on life. All I can say is to each their own.
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IMO tar has the best euphoria, the best stuff I ever had wasn't even rock hard, but more like a squishy goo that stuck to literally everything it touched.
From what I understand tar is the closest to morphine, whereas powders are more refined and undergo more chemical processes to achieve its effect. IMO the powder stuff isn't nearly as euphoric.
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Re: dope poll [Re: Lucis]
#23988830 - 01/07/17 09:04 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Fennario said:
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moonrockmushy said: The heroin tells you that this sort of behavior is ok, and the more heroin you take the less you care about the essential drives and feelings associated with being a human.
I have known my fair share of junkies that were like this, but I also think that some people can use any drug and not be this way, that's how I was when I used to use, I always wanted to be doing something, not just nodding out, I was usually alone in this behavior though, can't remember any of the people I used to do dope with that had the same drive I did.
For example, I had a job for a while that was physically demanding, I got the job through a friend that used, he would often nod out in the work vehicle, while I was high as a kite, but ready to get shit done.
I understand everyone is wired differently though, so how dope made me feel, is not how it makes many people feel.
I had a job that was physically demanding too, several of them, still do actually. I still bet you nodded. To me this is like someone saying "I actually drive better when I'm drunk". You either aren't drunk, or you're fooling yourself.
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Tar has impure opiods in it.
6-MAM 3-MAM MonoacetylCodiene
all much more euphoric than diamorphine itself.
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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
#23989228 - 01/07/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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No they're not. East coast powder is more euphoric than any tar I did. Only way I got good euphoria from tar was shooting it.
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Dark_Star said: No they're not. East coast powder is more euphoric than any tar I did. Only way I got good euphoria from tar was shooting it.
Amen
I was super-me when I was high
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