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Re: dope poll [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23984386 - 01/05/17 04:21 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

I'm pretty sure the reason you can smoke tar is because with tar it will kinda bead up and vaporize rather than burn, because of the resins or water in it or something, not because it is mixed with caffiene.  Gunpowder generally isn't intended for smoking, but snorting rather, as you can't snort regular tar easily.

Pretty sure czech is wrong about what gunpowder it.  It is tar made into powder form.  Not sure of the exact process but it involves cuts, and if it is good, it will turn back to tar if exposed to moisture.


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Re: dope poll [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23984397 - 01/05/17 04:25 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

It's crystallized tar. It's usually cut sparingly with vitamin b12.


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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
    #23984406 - 01/05/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

That's kind of an oxymoron I think and what is this about then?

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Gunpowder is tar supplemented with pressed diamorphine salts.




And it would not be hard at all to cut caffeine into tar at all, it just isn't necessary to smoke.  People probably cut caffeine as well as many other things into tar.


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Re: dope poll [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23984411 - 01/05/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

There is no reason to ever use caffiene. It's more expensive than b12 and it's a dead giveaway to the fact you're cutting it.


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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
    #23984416 - 01/05/17 04:30 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Are you kidding me?  They do it to make more money.  It's a common cut for many street drugs.


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Re: dope poll [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23984472 - 01/05/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

b12 is better than caffiene in every way for cutting any drug.


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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
    #23984488 - 01/05/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Uhh yeah since when has that mattered?

I think they use actual coffee to cut tar I've heard :lol:


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Re: dope poll [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23984760 - 01/05/17 06:17 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah heroin powder, from what I am aware of. And you are right on it being a different type of 4, essentially.


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Re: dope poll [Re: sanchothestoner] * 2
    #23984881 - 01/05/17 07:09 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

The entire thing was devised by the DEA, there's not much logic to it when "#1 Heroin" is Morphine HCl. In short-

#1: Morphine HCl
#2: Diamorphine (Heroin) freebase
#3: Diamorphine HCl cut more than 1:1 with caffeine and other agents to aid vaporization. Pretty much exclusively used in countries which previously smoked the freebase when supply was lost. Nonexistent today.
#4: Diamorphine HCl


Tar was not a part of this "grading scale". Tar as a salt smokes as well as the freebase  simply because there is a wide enough window between boiling and decomposition points, that's all that determines it. Not all drugs are most efficiently smoked as the base, meth being the most commonly used example.


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Re: dope poll [Re: DustBunny]
    #23985039 - 01/05/17 08:09 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Thanks dude.  So BTH & gunpowder are both #4 then, right?


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Re: dope poll [Re: DustBunny]
    #23985066 - 01/05/17 08:19 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Do you have an original source for those being the official DEA numbers?  Not that it matters but this is the first I have heard of #3 not being heroin base.  It seems the DEA has long abandoned it and all I can find are some forum posts without citation. 

I always thought it had to do with the steps of manufacture though



1 through 4 are the bottom 4 in my understanding.


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Re: dope poll [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23985302 - 01/05/17 09:53 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

No problem, thank Lavod for that knowledge actually. Tar/gunpowder could be considered #4, as it's certainly not #1-3, or it could be considered its own thing entirely:  acetyl-opium(?) if you will. It contains diamorphine as well, but also the stronger 6-MAM and other actives, as well as undesirable alkaloids (and of course plenty of unwanted organic matter).



I don't think there is any known online citation for them, just reputable old forum members sharing it 10+ years ago across the web, but you can see the numbers referenced here.


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Re: dope poll [Re: DustBunny]
    #23985324 - 01/05/17 09:59 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

so heroin is just morphine?

i thought heroin was a bunch of various alkoloids? :confused:


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Re: dope poll [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23985378 - 01/05/17 10:25 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Heroin is just a brand name (Bayer's) for diacetylmorphine, or diamorphine. Tar is a crude synthesis containing other actives and inactives, but mainly diamorphine.


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Re: dope poll [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23985890 - 01/06/17 07:24 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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It's like you can't even really feel what it takes from you while you're on it.  How much you're missing in life.  How pathetic it is to be satisfied nodding out and drooling on yourself when you should be living your life.





Some people aren't that way though, dope gave me incredible motivation to do anything, talk to anyone, it was my favorite hard drug because I would get a huge rush of energy and only catch a nod if I was sitting still, I have always been different like this, amphetamines mellow me out, opiates stimulate me.  I would do a push with a friend and he would sit there mumbling and drooling while I was ready to go, go, go, funny how that works.


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Re: dope poll [Re: Lucis] * 2
    #23985921 - 01/06/17 07:51 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

That's how it is for most people in the honeymoon phase.  I take it you weren't an addict for too long, relatively.  Things are different when you've been at it for 10+ years.


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Re: dope poll [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #23986048 - 01/06/17 09:04 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Fuck dope.


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Re: dope poll [Re: Lucis]
    #23986175 - 01/06/17 10:13 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

True. Fucking is pretty dope hahaha


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Re: dope poll [Re: czech]
    #23986204 - 01/06/17 10:31 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

Hey hey hey smoke heroin everyday.


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Re: dope poll [Re: czech] * 1
    #23986211 - 01/06/17 10:34 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

thread is so undope


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