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morrowasted
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On Narcissism
#23982464 - 01/04/17 08:31 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Our society has failed to accept one simple truth because accepting it essentially implies that you have personal experience with both, which is something most people would be unwilling to do publicly: Narcissism is merely the outer face of in-security. When someone comes across to you as excessively self-interested, it is almost always because they inwardly cope with an excessive amount of insecurity. Discuss.
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PatrickKn


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I don't think society has failed to accept that for the most part. "Narcissism stems from insecurity" is a pretty common idea.
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morrowasted said: When someone comes across to you as excessively self-interested, it is almost always because they inwardly cope with an excessive amount of insecurity.
Other times it is because you are judgmental and jealous, which is hella insecure.
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pirate-blues


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What about narcissists who've realized this so they overcompensate to be overly humble?
Either way nothing a good old dose of nihilism paired with an existential crisis can't fix.
For most.
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I know people like that and they're the fucking devil always miserable but sharing it with people, easiest to anger but the first to act like a dick head and a common thing I notice is they 're always cheapskates they have their friends and their moment but if you take a step back you realize they're the most worthless people I went from being blazed up everyday up until college to either going halves or doing most of the work, like the whole time you were with me you couldnt' buy me something besides weed and booze you scummy fuck lol
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pirate-blues said: Either way nothing a good old dose of nihilism paired with an existential crisis can't fix.
For most.
Gotta love nihilism paired with existential crisis. Pretty much sums up the beautiful mindstate of my late teens. /sarcasm
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Re: On Narcissism [Re: aZombie] 1
#23982591 - 01/04/17 09:42 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I think it's kind of beautiful paired with maturity. The realization that you in and of yourself don't really matter, that humans are in all likelihood a blip on the radar of existence, but that it's totally possible for you to create your own meaning that is true to yourself.
It gave me peace. I wouldn't call myself a nihilist in the truest sense, I'm certainly far too optimistic and smiley to be a stereotypical nihilist, but it's apart of my beliefs to at least some extent.
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Narcissists thrive on controlling/manipulating other peoples lives, especially their loved ones, this gives them power, and is often rooted in past traumas in their life.
You will have a child that was abused by their parents, and they never really deal with this abuse, so they go about living their life thinking that being treated that way is normal, as they get older and have kids of their own they often go about treating their children how they were treated, this is why it's paramount in a persons life to deal with traumas, that way you save the next generation from suffering.
Narcissistic individuals will see their children being happy, and become jealous of them because they remember their childhood, and how they were abused and since they had to endure such hardships, that their kids should as well. So they start treating their children the way their abusers treated them, eventually if this goes unchecked for a long period of time, the narcissist will get bolder in everything they do trying to control as much as they can, becoming consumed in the lifestyle because it gives them a sense of being in control, making up time for the control they didn't have when they were younger when their view was twisted by negative role models.
The narcissist will often find a person that they single out, for example if there were three kids in a family they would choose to have one child be their whipping post, this creates someone they can always pour their derision onto, someone they can use as leverage in case they get themselves in hot water with the other members of the family. The narcissist might get in trouble for being a certain way, then say "did you see what the bad child did" and this takes the spotlight off them, this is a textbook narcissist move, but the sick thing is they might even use their "bad child" to get back at the other members of the family if they paint themselves into a corner, the narcissist will always have a shoulder to cry on, always have everyone on their side, they tend to be a lowly form of human because they're incapable of being responsible and accountable for their actions, they will always find someone, something, to pin the blame on.
If you try to speak to the narcissist about your feeling, and I mean just talk to them normally, not with raised voices or anger in anyway, the narcissist with huff and puff, change the subject, do everything in their power to change the subject to some petty thing.
I could type a lot more about this, but I am feeling a bit ill.
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Let us suppose u are right op, now what?..
What do we do with this newfound knowledge?..
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I totally agree PB. I had a lot of stresses about trying to live the sterotypical life and getting a degree and being perfect before I broke down, had an existential crisis and realized none of it mattered, not me not the world. Nihilistic philosophies helped me bed sane and happy, as contradictory as that is.
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Nihilism is shit. Lets buy a hotdog cart and set it up downtown and then get your little brother to run it for $9/hr. Then we can smoke weed and eat tacos from a truck while standing. It's time to get positive.
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Enough reading of this site has taught me that I've never had a real taco. It's pretty sad and I feel terrible about it.
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John Nada
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If I was you I would get on a quest to find legitimate tacos made by Mexicans right now. I see you live in Canada, but it can't be more than a few hundred miles to decent tacos. Do it now.
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I think the word is overused
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pirate-blues said:
Either way nothing a good old dose of nihilism paired with an existential crisis can't fix.
For most.
I agree with this statement.
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Re: On Narcissism [Re: Lucis] 1
#23984427 - 01/05/17 04:33 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Fennario said: Narcissists thrive on controlling/manipulating other peoples lives, especially their loved ones, this gives them power, and is often rooted in past traumas in their life.
You will have a child that was abused by their parents, and they never really deal with this abuse, so they go about living their life thinking that being treated that way is normal, as they get older and have kids of their own they often go about treating their children how they were treated, this is why it's paramount in a persons life to deal with traumas, that way you save the next generation from suffering.
Narcissistic individuals will see their children being happy, and become jealous of them because they remember their childhood, and how they were abused and since they had to endure such hardships, that their kids should as well. So they start treating their children the way their abusers treated them, eventually if this goes unchecked for a long period of time, the narcissist will get bolder in everything they do trying to control as much as they can, becoming consumed in the lifestyle because it gives them a sense of being in control, making up time for the control they didn't have when they were younger when their view was twisted by negative role models.
The narcissist will often find a person that they single out, for example if there were three kids in a family they would choose to have one child be their whipping post, this creates someone they can always pour their derision onto, someone they can use as leverage in case they get themselves in hot water with the other members of the family. The narcissist might get in trouble for being a certain way, then say "did you see what the bad child did" and this takes the spotlight off them, this is a textbook narcissist move, but the sick thing is they might even use their "bad child" to get back at the other members of the family if they paint themselves into a corner, the narcissist will always have a shoulder to cry on, always have everyone on their side, they tend to be a lowly form of human because they're incapable of being responsible and accountable for their actions, they will always find someone, something, to pin the blame on.
If you try to speak to the narcissist about your feeling, and I mean just talk to them normally, not with raised voices or anger in anyway, the narcissist with huff and puff, change the subject, do everything in their power to change the subject to some petty thing.
I could type a lot more about this, but I am feeling a bit ill.
You pretty much nailed it. I made the mistake of almost marrying one and buying a house together. I eventually wised up and broke it off with her but to this day, she is impossible to deal with and constantly plays the victim. She has 2 kids and one of them has suffered her scorn for years....he won't even speak with her today...they haven't spoken for 4 years.
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That description has personal relevance for me as well.
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akira_akuma
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John Nada said: If I was you I would get on a quest to find legitimate tacos made by Mexicans right now. I see you live in Canada, but it can't be more than a few hundred miles to decent tacos. Do it now.
there's one in this little nook around this corner of restaurants, tucked away downtown...it's mighty delicious. i love lettuce. it's amazing. lettuce is the best thing ever. that and the right slice on the tomato, a chunk more than a dice, and not too much, then your burrito will be perfect. tacos on the other hand, lots of filling, beans an rice, and sauce.
On Narcissism.
OMG, cis....proof!
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Ah the Shroomery, I've missed you... 95% bullshit, %5 unique/amazing. it's got that special feeling I get when I read something that comes from someone of high intellectual caliber who's also taken psychedelics, that feeling I just couldn't quite capture elsewhere.
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thats seems to be the going rate for anything of quality, the real gift is being able to appreciate it and not let that 95% steal the joy from life, as little as there is.
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