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Chakra Shock
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23985928 - 01/06/17 07:57 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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That might not be the only scenario, but I bet it happens about as frequently as a kid deciding to try and make some money through prostitution for god knows what reason. Those kids should not have to suffer through criminal charges whatsoever.
Making child prostitution illegal is pretty obvious if the law was the only deciding factor in how people lived their lives, but honestly laws are just guidelines and people break them anyways. Due to that fact, you have to approach legislation with subtlety and nuance as opposed to the black and white of 'legal/illegal'. I'm not entirely convinced that decriminalizing child prostitution could help in any way whatsoever, but there are some interesting concepts behind it. What is your stance on the idea?
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Chakra Shock] 1
#23985953 - 01/06/17 08:16 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I wonder what the lunchroom conversations will be like in California High schools today.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23985954 - 01/06/17 08:18 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: And the solution to that is to make it legal.
Legal for the minor perhaps but the legal guardian would be held liable if the child is evolved in sex trafficking with their knowledge. If the court determines that the minor is unable to return to a suitable legal guardian (whether a crime is committed by the minor or not) that minor becomes a ward of the state.(In The United States)
Remember all the progressive crybabies were asking "What do I tell my children?" when Trump got elected?
What do you tell them the day after they can legally prostitute themselves?
The parents should be apologizing for having children(to their children) that they were unable to protect.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23985959 - 01/06/17 08:19 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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And now the cops are unable to protect them too.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23985980 - 01/06/17 08:29 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: And now the cops are unable to protect them too.
My heart goes out to all those children being shamelessly sacrificed on the alter of political correctness and progressivism.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23986004 - 01/06/17 08:37 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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It's disgusting.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23986009 - 01/06/17 08:40 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: It's disgusting.
What is a suitable solution?
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23986024 - 01/06/17 08:50 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Keeping it criminalized is a good start.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23986026 - 01/06/17 08:51 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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And frankly, I can't believe I have to say that.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23986047 - 01/06/17 09:03 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: Keeping it criminalized is a good start.
It is illegal for adults almost everywhere in the US...which doesn't make sense because if the individual is an actor/actress in an adult film it is basically legal prostitution.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: blackdragon999]
#23986071 - 01/06/17 09:16 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Uh-huh.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: blackdragon999] 2
#23986176 - 01/06/17 10:14 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: It's disgusting.
What is a suitable solution?
You two could try going back to college and taking reading comprehension courses, I hear that helps.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Repertoire89] 2
#23986288 - 01/06/17 11:05 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Just to illustrate the obvious further, decriminalizing prostitution for the prostitutes (not pimps or johns) makes it much easier for sex slaves to seek help, when they are facing jail time theyre less inclined to seek help. Its just like junkies and prohibition.
I think it was Spain where they successfully put this into practice, dramatically reducing prostitution rates, and giving sex slaves a safe out. Children should not be in jail, prosecuting victims of violence is shameful to say the least.
Also, prostitution is decriminalized, not legalized, so the parents would be notified if a child is caught prostituting her/himself. And California is not unique in having prosecuted child sex slaves, theyre unique in stopping.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Repertoire89]
#23986292 - 01/06/17 11:07 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Senor_Doobie said: And the solution to that is to make it legal.
Legal for the minor perhaps but the legal guardian would be held liable if the child is evolved in sex trafficking with their knowledge. If the court determines that the minor is unable to return to a suitable legal guardian (whether a crime is committed by the minor or not) that minor becomes a ward of the state.(In The United States)
And presumably the client would still be committing multiple crimes.
Obviously the police do need to have sufficient powers to intervene. I don't think that giving them the power to lay criminal charges against the victim is a necessary requirement to achieve that.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: psi]
#23986420 - 01/06/17 12:18 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Uh - huh. Round and round we go. Squawk little birdies.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie] 1
#23986431 - 01/06/17 12:24 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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What a substantial response.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: psi]
#23986440 - 01/06/17 12:34 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I've already made my argument.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23986451 - 01/06/17 12:42 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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You argued that police need sufficient powers to intervene, which I agree with. I don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether this new law achieves this, as I haven't read it.
If you provided an argument as to why this is not possible without the ability to criminally charge underage prostitutes, I may have missed it. Otherwise, I'm not sure exactly what it is in my post that you might disagree with.
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: psi]
#23986644 - 01/06/17 02:16 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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From the Washington Times article.
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A revelatory op-ed in the Washington Examiner by Travis Allen, one of the few Republicans in the California legislature, declaring the state had “legalized” child prostitution, made waves and garnered much-needed attention to the issue. Mr. Travis wrote, “Beginning on Jan. 1, prostitution by minors will be legal in California. Yes, you read that right. SB 1322 bars law enforcement from arresting sex workers who are under the age of 18 for soliciting or engaging in prostitution, or loitering with the intent to do so. So teenage girls (and boys) in California will soon be free to have sex in exchange for money without fear of arrest or prosecution.” So what can law enforcement in California do when they encounter a child selling themselves on the street for sex? The Sacramento Bee explains, “Commercially sexually exploited children, based on the bill’s analysis, may be taken into temporary custody ‘if the minor has an immediate need for medical care, or … is in immediate danger of physical or sexual abuse, or the physical environment’ or the child’s unattended status ‘poses an immediate threat to the child’s health or safety.’ “
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Re: What horrible thing will 2017 be known for? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
#23986649 - 01/06/17 02:17 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Travis Allen, member of the legislature used the word "arrest".
Not charge.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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