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OfflineChubacca
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Mushroom.. wax?
    #23982079 - 01/04/17 05:41 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Okay, so here's what happened, I used a simple alkaloid extraction with about and ounce of (1-3 days picked)fresh mushrooms using grain alcohol. I boiled down this (strained) deep amber-brown solution (173-210℉) until it couldn't be boiled any more. What I ended up with looks like.. well, wax!
It has most of not all the same physical properties of BHO or THC wax. Now before I get a trip sitter with some sage/catnip/indica I want to hear thoughts and questions.

I searched all of Google for anything about this, with no positive results and haven't heard anything by word of mouth. This is all purely for experimental purposes.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Chubacca] * 1
    #23982098 - 01/04/17 05:47 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Start small! You can always eat more.

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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Chubacca]
    #23982113 - 01/04/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Well I'm going to say that since you used fresh mushrooms you have very little alkaloid content in your end product.

How much does it weigh? What kind of mushrooms were they? Are you positive they were active? These are all important factors in determining what you should do with this goop.

Also how do you plan on consuming this?


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23982126 - 01/04/17 06:00 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I am excited to see how it turned out! Also what do you use catnip for in your trips?


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23982149 - 01/04/17 06:14 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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How much does it weigh? What kind of mushrooms were they? Are you positive they were active? These are all important factors in determining what you should do with this goop.

Also how do you plan on consuming this?




It's now a total of 2 grams, Mexican and South American cubes, I swear I can see the active crystals. Judging by the viscosity I should be able to smoke it, maybe 1 tenth of a gram at a time, and if all else fails... eat it? Haha

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I am excited to see how it turned out! Also what do you use catnip for in your trips?



Catnip is more of a neutral substance, but it gives muscle relaxation and more of a body/afternoon high in very high doses. Biggest point being neutral so I can determine the initial effects of the mushroom concentrate without much adversity.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Chubacca]
    #23982155 - 01/04/17 06:18 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Catnip? U 4real?


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23982177 - 01/04/17 06:26 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Catnip has the opposite effects on humans as it does cats..it's in all kinds of supplements...


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23982189 - 01/04/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

can you post another pic when it dries? And post trip reports? I doubt smoking it would work but if it does that would be super cool.

I smoked catnip once when I was like 13-14 and all it did was give me a headache.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23982200 - 01/04/17 06:34 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I doubt you have many alkaloids at all. If you started with an ounce of fresh mushrooms, they would have weighed a few grams dried.
If your wax weighs a few grams, you've managed to reduce a bunch of fresh mushrooms into something roughly as potent as dried mushrooms (and that's if you're lucky)


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Matai]
    #23982266 - 01/04/17 06:59 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I will have to try something similar with a dry ounce, it would be so much easier to work with.

I wonder if there is some way to make psilocybin active when smoked.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Matai]
    #23982499 - 01/04/17 08:55 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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I doubt you have many alkaloids at all. If you started with an ounce of fresh mushrooms, they would have weighed a few grams dried.
If your wax weighs a few grams, you've managed to reduce a bunch of fresh mushrooms into something roughly as potent as dried mushrooms (and that's if you're lucky)



Exactly, you would need to eat it all. Even then I would expect a very weak experience. I feel you are greatly overestimating the potency of what you have.

You used a crude extraction method, its not going to be high in alkaloid at all. Maybe in comparison to dried mushrooms, but that's best case scenario for you.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? *DELETED* [Re: BrotherManBill]
    #23982526 - 01/04/17 09:09 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: phunkeej]
    #23982530 - 01/04/17 09:11 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Your best bet would just be grind em up and put in gelatin capsules from the health food store...i think the best way to consume if you don't want to eat the fruits, or you could soak the fungi in wine, and drink it...tea, etc..so many ways..Indra on hash church made a concentrated batch of crystals blasting them like bho...i am not recommending you hurt yourself though...don't want to hear about ppl getting burned or worse..just be careful however you do it


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: phunkeej]
    #23983410 - 01/05/17 09:21 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Wait psilocybin oil? Take a tiny dab of that for sciences sake!

Do you know of rosin tech for making hash? I wonder if you pressed some shrooms ina rosin press that it could yield similar oils with no solvents


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Psychonott]
    #23984555 - 01/05/17 05:09 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

A rosin press will destroy the alkaloids, bad idea. Boiling that extract vigorously in the open air likely degraded it if not entirely destroyed it too, I don't know. That goop should dry to a solid, but it's very hygroscopic and hard to dry w/o a vacuum. It will be a highly impure sticky crystalline mass when dried. With a methanol extract it only reduces it to 25% of the original dried mushrooms ime. With an a/b it will reduce it to ~1% or however many alkaloids you have present. You should be able to vaporize psilocin, but I doubt you can smoke that mass of sugars and w/e other impurities, and I think psilocybin would break down below its vaporization point from what I've read.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23984570 - 01/05/17 05:12 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

If you freeze fresh mushrooms the cell walls break down and creates a goo once it thaws. Let it dry and store


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23985476 - 01/05/17 11:17 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

I decided to use a sativa/indica hybrid, .2 grams, along with .1 grams of the dry psilocybin concentrate.
The inhalation method prooved to be effective.
I had a personal experience, a breakthrough so to say as I was exploring my subconscious mind within the first 8 minutes. Between and after 8-15 minutes closed and open eye visuals were present. Sense of time distorted, hearing enhanced, interactions with other organisms were greatly enhanced, and an overall sense of well being.
It felt as if I were back in a place that felt like home 16 years ago.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Chubacca]
    #23986187 - 01/06/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

I find it hard to believe that was much more than a placebo or cannabis high. If you had a completely efficient extraction you would have smoked the equivalent of 0.4g of mushrooms, at least half of which would have been psilocybin which would be destroyed before it's vaporized, so 0.2g of mushrooms. That assume you extracted 100% of the alkaloids, there was no degradation in the process or in smoking it, and it assumes the extract is dry which it's not. if it were dry 0.1g would be about 1/7 of your total extract which I'm guessing is likely no where close to that. Maybe it did something, but it doesn't seem logical that it would and I've heard claims of people smoking fruit bodies enough to dismiss it out right if it goes against my better judgement.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23986580 - 01/06/17 01:48 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

0.1g of dmt is between 2-5 trips so who knows if psilocybin/psilocin works the same way if vapourised, if it can be vapourised


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: sbc1]
    #23987637 - 01/06/17 08:03 PM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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0.1g of dmt is between 2-5 trips so who knows if psilocybin/psilocin works the same way if vapourised, if it can be vapourised




Within seconds of inhalation an unusual heart rate is felt, visual distortion was felt, I had an intense need to be outside
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I created a vacuum chamber and inhaled the vapor through a water pipe 10 minutes ago same dose.

30 Minutes in, I feel an extreme sense of comfort and only slight nausea. Closed eye visuals present and an intense feeling of self awareness settles in.

80 The world around me is glowing, And I feel as if I should rest.

100 My body and mind feel as if they are in a dream state.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Chubacca]
    #23988267 - 01/07/17 12:24 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

Try the same dose but leave out the cannabis, use a herb instead that you would use for changa, mullein etc. Then you'll know if it's placebo or not


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: sbc1] * 1
    #23988834 - 01/07/17 09:06 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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0.1g of dmt is between 2-5 trips so who knows if psilocybin/psilocin works the same way if vapourised, if it can be vapourised




0.1g of DMT is a heavy dose, but that's pure DMT, OP is smoking an extremely crude and impure extract. This would be akin to doing an alcohol extract on some mimosa and smoking 100mg, you might get threshold effects at best, you'd only be smoking maybe 10mg of DMT if that.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23988866 - 01/07/17 09:17 AM (7 years, 23 days ago)

I know that's why I said 2-5 trips, 10mg can still take you somewhere, depends on the person


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: sbc1]
    #23991088 - 01/07/17 09:55 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Placebo is very powerful.
At the rest of at least a gram for an effective microdose. Will be making more with a cleaner exraction method.
thanks for letting me make a fool of myself this week, internet  :feelswierman:


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Chubacca]
    #23992054 - 01/08/17 10:35 AM (7 years, 22 days ago)

How did you conclude it was a placebo?


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #24007260 - 01/13/17 02:02 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

i was always told heat killed the psilocybin not to heat mushrooms in food or anything but i also heard of hot teas... well i learned something from this.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Tylershatto5]
    #24007283 - 01/13/17 02:09 PM (7 years, 17 days ago)

It will oxidize and decompose it, it's a fairly sensitive molecule. That doesn't mean it can't take any heat though. It will take ~90C water for 20 minutes to make water, but you don't want to boil it for an hour or so, and time is also a factor, so you don't want to keep it in a 40C car for prolonged periods of time either.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: multiporpoise]
    #24012030 - 01/15/17 11:51 AM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Have you tried that? I would think there would be too much gunk in there to get any clean crystals out of it. I've done a methanol extraction and you still have 1/4 of the dry weight, it's very far from pure, I don't think it's a good candidate for crystallization, you would have to do an a/b first.


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24013072 - 01/15/17 08:23 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

You would be better off just eating the powdered fungi in capsules..a few burps taste funny than off ya go! There are a lot of ways to concentrate em but unless you are willing to do some real research... there are a lot of ways to hurt yourself or others when working with chemicals...not to say you can't pull it off, just be careful out there...


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Re: Mushroom.. wax? [Re: Psychonott]
    #25178977 - 05/01/18 10:03 PM (5 years, 8 months ago)

Indra told the audience they  had no idea of how much to dose so they wayyyy over did it apparently...not sure if they ever tried it again..he didn't say...they consumed it orally...i don't think smoking or vaping it would do anything positive or beneficial....but i've never tried it..esp in crystal form...


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