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Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance
#23981961 - 01/04/17 04:59 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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https://motherboard.vice.com/read/some-sobering-info-about-bad-shroom-trips-amidst-the-psychedelic-renaissance
Psychedelics are finally gaining more acceptance in the medical world, but it’s important to know the risks as we look to embrace them.
In a recent survey of nearly 2000 people, a group of psilocybin (the main chemical in magic mushrooms) researchers at Johns Hopkins University looked at anecdotally reported "bad trips" to understand the enduring positive and negative consequences of a drug gone wrong. A majority of those surveyed said that the difficult shroom trip was among the ten biggest challenges they've ever faced, but also among the most "meaningful" or "worthwhile" experiences of their life.
Entheogens like psilocybin, MDMA (ecstasy), LSD, and ayahuasca have received increasingly positive attention for their psychological benefits in treating conditions like PTSD or addiction, or even for general well-being. But a lot of their reported therapeutic effects happen in a clinical setting, with supervision by trained researchers. Outside of that it can be more of a Wild West.
Among the 1,993 people who took the 45-minute long survey about their most challenging trip, 10.7 percent said they put themselves or others at risk of physical harm, 2.6 percent said they acted violently or aggressively, and 2.7 percent said they sought medical help. Five of the survey participants who said they already had pre-existing anxiety, depression, or suicidal thoughts attempted suicide during their worst trip—which researchers say indicates the need for a safe setting and a positive psychological "set" going into the trip.
Six people, however, said their suicidal thoughts disappeared after their worst trip, which fits well with the Johns Hopkins studies proving the antidepressive effects of psilocybin for cancer patients.
"Psilocybin can occasion experiences that are life altering. Many months after, [study participants] continue to attribute positive changes in attitudes, moods, and behavior to the psilocybin experience," Dr. Roland Griffiths, psychopharmacologist and professor of psychiatry and behavioral sciences and neurosciences at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, told Motherboard.
But Griffiths and fellow researchers wanted to understand the effects of tripping outside the clinic. Psychedelics were historically associated with overuse during anti-establishment or anti-war hippie movements in the 1960s. That created a substantial misunderstanding about the risks of these compounds," Griffiths said.
After government lash back causing psychedelic research to go on hiatus for several decades, scientists developed safety methods and procedures for administering these drugs safely. "We know now the research can be done, but left unanswered for us in the last ten years is what about these terrible experiences that are reported?"
Some of the participants in the survey also experienced enduring effects several months or more after the challenging trip ended, the most common being anxiety, depression, and fear. "The bottom line is, there are risks associated with taking these compounds. It's important that people don't read positive press and think this is great everyone should try it," said Griffiths. "The key is getting these results in perspective, not over or under emphasizing the negative effects."
But psychotherapist Neal Goldsmith, author of Psychedelic Healing, cautions against using terms like "bad trip”, even for these potentially depressing experiences. "I use the phrase difficult trip or experience [because] they are very much trying and difficult at times, but frequently they'll be one of the most beneficial or valuable experiences of the person's life once that difficult experience is processed," said Goldsmith. (Of course, if you have a family history of mental illness, such as schizophrenia, it may be best not to trip at all.)
Processing the trip, whether it's difficult or not, is part of what Goldsmith refers to as "integration." Psychedelic integration is not separate from the trip itself, but is should be natural part of the experience after it occurs. "Integration is about making the benefits or insights or clarities that these psychedelics might provide into a change in your life, or a growth in your life," he said.
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Re: Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance [Re: tdubz] 1
#23983173 - 01/05/17 06:23 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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How crazy is this. We've developed a society of people that out of connect, insane drones, people are now that insane that they can believe they are seperate from life itself and need a plant to wake them up and remind them of who they really are.
Sorry but your parents, governement and teachers lied to you. They know NOTHING about reality while claiming to have an absolute opinion.
The truth is we are all sovereign spiritual beings here awakening to ones self. Do not be controlled by these fucking relics of an ancient society that want to manipulate you for your work effort/cash. Its time to progress.
There is NO OTHER PERSON OR BELIEF that can help you or tell you how to navigate reality. Reaity is fluid, that is the nature of evolution.
We are not seperate from plants or life. We are IT! Forget what otherant to tell you to believe. Choose for your self by using critical thinking, research and experimentation.
Step 1 - forget the shit all other humans are feeding you. Including teachers and parents. You probably already noticed they are dumb as shit and know nothing.
Step 2 - Face your self, the inner self, alone in nature - with meditation.
Break your mind free from the control and conditioning.
Thre alternative is that every action you take will be controlled by money and minge. Fuck that! Wake up to your own ability to discern what reality is.
Leave your jobs, leave your routine, take a descent away from ego and social status. Remove your self from the programming or seccumb to it and be a fucking bitch of the system. Its your choice as a being here of free will - you are not a victim, make your choice...
Edited by nice1returns (01/05/17 06:33 AM)
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Re: Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance [Re: nice1returns] 1
#23983307 - 01/05/17 08:19 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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First let me just state that PHILOSOPHY RUINED MY CAREER.
next let me say that I agree with nice1, asking a doctor to give you an experience is a bit like begging a physical trainer to make you skinny, it won't really work unless you apply yourself.
Calling them "skilled researchers" is a bit of a slight at the grand tradition of psychedelic use.
It so frustrating to see modern people doing this to themselves and nobody really speaks out except for the forum annons.
Shamanism has existed for longer than language. Longer than fire. Shamanism is the foundation of the firmament and the basis of all works under heaven.
Modern people are sick in their minds, so sick in fact that ultimate bliss or total content seem foreign and strange, people are trying very hard to reinvent the wheel only just in time for their work and their knowledge to be destroyed or assimilated as establishment guided by the elite see fit to cast the world into war again.
The wicked never rest. ever rest.
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Re: Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance [Re: travelleler]
#23985351 - 01/05/17 10:14 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Shamanism has existed for longer than language. Longer than fire. Shamanism is the foundation of the firmament and the basis of all works under heaven.

maaan thats sooooo... raaad.
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Re: Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance [Re: pablokabute]
#23985418 - 01/05/17 10:46 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Re: Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance [Re: tdubz]
#23985965 - 01/06/17 08:23 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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REALLY TERRIFYING!! I will be tripping in a couple days. Cant wait!!
Edited by MikeTesserect (01/06/17 08:23 AM)
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Re: Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance [Re: pablokabute]
#23986056 - 01/06/17 09:06 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Shamanism has existed for longer than language. Longer than fire. Shamanism is the foundation of the firmament and the basis of all works under heaven.

maaan thats sooooo... raaad.
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Re: Here's Sobering Info On Bad Shroom Trips Amidst the Psychedelic Renaissance [Re: tdubz]
#24011342 - 01/15/17 06:25 AM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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tdubz said: But psychotherapist Neal Goldsmith, author of Psychedelic Healing, cautions against using terms like "bad trip”, even for these potentially depressing experiences. "I use the phrase difficult trip or experience [because] they are very much trying and difficult at times, but frequently they'll be one of the most beneficial or valuable experiences of the person's life once that difficult experience is processed,"
I know this is a touch old now but wanted to comment on this.
This was one of the most important things I learned about psychedelics. I summarize it as "there's no such thing as a bad trip" (as do others). Of course there's always exceptions but, whatever.
Of course I've had my mind blown plenty of times from positive trips but the negative trips focus more on me rather than spiritual or just outright trippy things.
There's been a few times where I've been scared shitless just to eventually come down and realize I just learned more about my (usually negative) self than I ever would have from paying some shrink $200/hour. It's situations like this that have taken me from the kind that loves to get drunk, start fights and wind up in jail to being able to maintain a loving family and be successful in my business endeavors.
I wish they'd give exceptions to more people to be able to use these. Sort of like a "are you an idiot or just trying to get high" test and allowing people to use them for self-exploration more. It's cool the Santo Daime church and alike are allowed but some of us are just as spiritual but, not Christian by any means.
I honestly feel like it's akin to having to hide your bible in fear someone might find it.
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