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wildernessjunkie
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: mushboy]
#24033314 - 01/23/17 01:49 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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Everything is a learning process.
If you're going to measure the BE then you need to know the dry weight of the total substrate. Best time to do that is in the beginning, before hydration.
You weren't wrong on the yield estimate though. Anything upwards of a dry Oz per quarter is decent enough.
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natedawgnow
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Again reference my last comment.
This tek is about getting the most out of less than optimal spawn so you don't have to dump it out and also about reusing materials that you have lying around (i.e. old spawn bags, left over cvg, etc. etc.)
Pasty and many other tc's have said that the 1qt to 1oz ratio is a good enough estimate of 100% BE without having to do all the measurements prior to prep.
Thanks for viewing the thread though! (Even if you didn't read it )
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24033414 - 01/23/17 02:34 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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I read it.
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Great idea! I was about to case some grain jars I have doubts about but I think this is my route
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: magicMerlin]
#24040589 - 01/26/17 07:53 AM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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Thanks man i hope you do!
Update
So the cased jar shit the bed. It was fruited with a plastic bag over the top and the pinset was just awful.

I think the main reasons it didn't do so well are A) water available in the bags vs. The jar. The bags have a much higher water content.
B) the bags were spawned before the bacteria had a chance to multiply out of control. The jar has a half inch of goo in it now compared to just a little when i first cased it. The bags were spawned within a week of reaching 100% and i think this made it so the grains could colonize faster than the bacteria could. I have 2 bags still sitting on my table with NO mold whatsoever
My concensus, bacteria doesn't always lead to mold if you can spawn the jars before the bacteria can multiply out of hand. Also that not all bacterial infections were created equal.
If it is a really bad infection from the get go, you may not be able to spawn them. But if the jars reached 100% but are a bit bacterial, give this shit a try, you won't regret it
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24040720 - 01/26/17 08:59 AM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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Some of my best flushes on BRF cakes are from when I've tossed out sketchy sub's into small plastic shopping bags and left the on my front porch. .
When I went to take out the garbage- boom! Couldnt fit another mushroom on those caked
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: mushpunx]
#24041361 - 01/26/17 01:53 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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4 quarts of questionable oats going to Dawgy bags today! I guess I never bought more filter patch bags when I ran out so I'll be using grocery bags. Excited to at least free up some jars!
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: magicMerlin]
#24041542 - 01/26/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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I threw out like 7 quarts of spawn a half hour before he came out with this thread....
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: mushpunx]
#24041591 - 01/26/17 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 days ago) |
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mushpunx said: Some of my best flushes on BRF cakes are from when I've tossed out sketchy sub's into small plastic shopping bags and left the on my front porch. .
When I went to take out the garbage- boom! Couldnt fit another mushroom on those caked 
cubes fruit in my garbage all the time!
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Re: Testing cultures? Bacterial spawn? Limited Space? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24044971 - 01/27/17 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Sorry to bother you, but I am returning to the Shroomery after a hiatus of some years. What happened to Mad Bags? How or where can I purchase bags containing substrate?
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Re: Testing cultures? Bacterial spawn? Limited Space? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: 2 cats freckles] 1
#24044986 - 01/27/17 07:39 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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2 cats freckles said: Sorry to bother you, but I am returning to the Shroomery after a hiatus of some years. What happened to Mad Bags? How or where can I purchase bags containing substrate?
Some of the sponsors have them. Off the top of my head I know that Out-Grow and High Mountain Compost both have them.
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24045012 - 01/27/17 07:54 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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You might want to use a different grain, might not have as many issues.
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Re: Testing cultures? Bacterial spawn? Limited Space? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#24045098 - 01/27/17 08:26 PM (7 years, 3 days ago) |
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Thanks. I did some searching and found that there are some entities out there that have them, and that The Hawks Eye is now Mushrooms.com
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natedawgnow
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The Mycologist said: You might want to use a different grain, might not have as many issues.
I don't have a lot of issues with oats, just that I had a G2G go bad with bacteria, probably from myself or possibly hidden in the master jar.
On the other hand, I am officially done with this bag of oats and I'm thinking of making a switch Thinking of using millet or possibly rye if I can find it cheap enough in town
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: natedawgnow]
#24046102 - 01/28/17 10:19 AM (7 years, 2 days ago) |
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It may be just pure luck but I haven't had any issues with wheat kernels yet. I have never had a reason to PC for more than 90 mins and all my runs before Christmas were all 11psi
Don't quote me on this but I have a feeling that wheat has a lower endospore count than other grains. May be worth switching to or at least giving it a shot. ...Or actually researching it rather than accepting a noobs assumptons based off a handful of grows
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: ComebackKid]
#24081973 - 02/11/17 11:08 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: Cagney]
#24082073 - 02/11/17 11:54 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is gypsum required in this tek?
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Cagney
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: shumer44]
#24082082 - 02/11/17 12:02 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe gypsum is optional mate
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: shumer44]
#24082089 - 02/11/17 12:06 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alright. Then Im good to go then. Coz I had to travel far to get gypsum.
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Re: Bacterial spawn? Dawgy Bag it! [Re: shumer44]
#24082093 - 02/11/17 12:08 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yea many people use coffee grinds and or gypsum but it's a personal preference really, it's not required.
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