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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Supachopped719]
    #23982644 - 01/04/17 10:11 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

So...you're in favor?

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So what can law enforcement in California do when they encounter a child selling themselves on the street for sex? The Sacramento Bee explains, “Commercially sexually exploited children, based on the bill’s analysis, may be taken into temporary custody ‘if the minor has an immediate need for medical care, or … is in immediate danger of physical or sexual abuse, or the physical environment’ or the child’s unattended status ‘poses an immediate threat to the child’s health or safety.’ “




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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23982795 - 01/04/17 11:14 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

...Isn't a child prostitute inherently in immediate danger of sexual abuse?? This seems to imply that there's a right way for a child to be prostituted. Holy fucking shit.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23982799 - 01/04/17 11:16 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

It doesn't seem to imply that at all. It implies that the police can separate the adolescent from the situation without charging them with a crime as a juvenile.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #23982801 - 01/04/17 11:17 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I shouldn't be surprised. The other day I was in San Francisco at the parking garage in the middle of a huge commercial district where people take their families, and I shit you not there was a giant ad display for a space-age ergonomic sex toy in the first floor lobby.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23982802 - 01/04/17 11:18 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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PatrickKn said:
It doesn't seem to imply that at all. It implies that the police can separate the adolescent from the situation without charging them with a crime as a juvenile.




Read it again.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
    #23982807 - 01/04/17 11:21 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

What he quoted above? It says the police can separate commercially trafficked children who are at risk of exploitation.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23982811 - 01/04/17 11:23 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

As opposed to the criminally trafficked children who aren't at risk for exploitation?


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23982822 - 01/04/17 11:27 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Criminally trafficked children are actively being exploited, so the law covers them. :shrug2:


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23982824 - 01/04/17 11:28 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

That's true, but it's not what the quoted text says.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23982836 - 01/04/17 11:33 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

All the quoted text says is that they can be separated by police. It's granted authority to do so. What does that insinuate to you?


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23982840 - 01/04/17 11:41 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Do you understand the word, "if"?


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 3
    #23982843 - 01/04/17 11:43 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Learn legalese


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 2
    #23982847 - 01/04/17 11:45 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

if
if/
conjunction
1.
introducing a conditional clause.


Enough rhetorical questions and side hops, make a point. :lol:


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23982887 - 01/05/17 12:16 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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What he quoted above? It says the police can separate commercially trafficked children who are at risk of exploitation.




It seems to imply that children were criminalised at some time.

I had a family member, who, along with a friend, at the age of 13/14, used to regularly go to a public toilet 'rest room' for sex 'cottaging'.
The fact that they got paid as 'rent boys' for their time was seen as an added bonus.

One of them got caught in the back of a vehicle with a man by the police, at which ensued a horribly traumatising event. His father was called, a medical examination, against the boys will was carried out on him, and the man he was caught with was charged with whatever the fuck they could throw at him.

What the fuck any of this has to do with OP's thread is beyond me. I'm jus drunking it up so...  :shrug:


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: deucedbi9] * 4
    #23983032 - 01/05/17 03:25 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Is there a some kind of connection between sancho couch surfing in San Fran and this new child protection law or did i miss something?


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23983212 - 01/05/17 07:04 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

The law renders the police unable to interfere with a child being a prostitute, except in the case that their life is in immenant threat or are injured.  Otherwise, they have to leave the child in the situation where he or she is being exploited. 

And even after they interfere in the two exception cases, the police are to get their evident injuries addressed, and then that's it.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23983216 - 01/05/17 07:10 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

I go to SF every now and then for Bassnectar and god damn is that city a shithole.
California in general has just become so run down, impoverished, and gross.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23983220 - 01/05/17 07:17 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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The law renders the police unable to interfere with a child being a prostitute, except in the case that their life is in immenant threat or are injured.



I can see where the confusion is coming from, but a child's safety is always at risk when they are being prostituted. They don't need to explicitly state that it is always at risk in these relationships within the text of the law, and the law might be more effective without strict parameters for law enforcement to abide by regarding how to determine if a child is being exploited sexually or not.

I'm not even saying it's a great law or anything. I haven't read it, nor have I studied laws of this type across different regions - I'm going on just the information you've brought up, and if I'm to take the article you posted word for word then they are pretty clearly twisting something to promote a specific narrative - specifically that liberally run California has endorsed pedophilia. It makes for a head turning headline and ignores the intent and application of the law as it's written, and does so purposefully. It's essentially sensationalist clickbait.


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23983253 - 01/05/17 07:50 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

imminent physical danger. Meaning a direct, immediate, visible threat.

What's confusing here?


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Re: who here lives in san fransisco? [Re: Senor_Doobie] * 2
    #23983274 - 01/05/17 07:58 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

If they are being prostituted, they are in imminent physical danger. What's confusing there?


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