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The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience
    #23980497 - 01/04/17 02:27 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

DMT in the brain facilitating spiritual experiences and dreaming? People speaking to entities external from themselves? Mushrooms coming from space? A lot of the myths surrounding the psychedelic experience are shared as fact even though much of it is unproven and even downright non sense. I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this. I think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma. This needs more discussion, so let us discuss


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23980509 - 01/04/17 02:38 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I think many people are confused by their experiences

Only decisive quote from your post.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft] * 1
    #23980522 - 01/04/17 02:49 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

thats just like your opinion man :teareally:


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23980532 - 01/04/17 02:56 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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thats just like your opinion man :teareally:




Just my opine with well over 1,000 trips, many in large doses, dicey environments for large trips, as to small.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #23980553 - 01/04/17 03:15 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma.



I mean no one really knows what the hell is going on when you trip, so its up to each person to interpret their experience. All we know is that brain regions can communicate more but a decrease in activity is also seen in certain regions such as the prefrontal cortex.

The thing is there are barely any facts to compare people theories about them with. DMT was actually found to be in the pineal gland like last year I think (before that people were really making it up). But to me, the average person isn't going to look that up and prove you wrong if you said it before it was scientifically discovered. It was known to be endogenously produced, I mean these things are minor details.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #23980555 - 01/04/17 03:17 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I'm here to discuss things, dog. Why is the rest not decisive to you?


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23980560 - 01/04/17 03:22 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I never heard that they actually found it in the human brain, I thought it was still just Strassman's theory. I know that the Japanese found it in the brain of a mouse , but that's not a person.

Lots of bro science going on, not a lot of real science. Not an easy thing to get funding for, or permission.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23980567 - 01/04/17 03:40 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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I never heard that they actually found it in the human brain, I thought it was still just Strassman's theory. I know that the Japanese found it in the brain of a mouse , but that's not a person.

Lots of bro science going on, not a lot of real science. Not an easy thing to get funding for, or permission.




DMT is produced in the human body (Brain) that is a undisputed fact.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #23980572 - 01/04/17 04:01 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

This is how human knowledge works, we create maps that help us navigate the territory. We fail most of the time, but then sometimes we get something right and beautiful things start to happen :grin:
For me, there's no doubt psychedelic experiences facilitate a LOT (and I mean A LOT) being more spiritually aware, more aesthetically appreciative, etc, when you are sober. The rest of examples you said? Well...I don't think so, but I'm open to the ideas.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #23980844 - 01/04/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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TempestDnB said:
I never heard that they actually found it in the human brain, I thought it was still just Strassman's theory. I know that the Japanese found it in the brain of a mouse , but that's not a person.

Lots of bro science going on, not a lot of real science. Not an easy thing to get funding for, or permission.




DMT is produced in the human body (Brain) that is a undisputed fact.




I'll dispute that it's produced in the brain, show me a source for that 'fact.' We can detect it in our bloodstream, that doesn't mean it is produced in the brain or even makes it there in sufficient quantities.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23980965 - 01/04/17 10:05 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Exactly. Show me that paper.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981002 - 01/04/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-4159.1976.tb04456.x/full


Google is your friend first search returns academic papers


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Psychonott] * 2
    #23981043 - 01/04/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

That is on rats as previously discussed, not humans. It's also about 5-MeO-DMT, not N,N,DMT, and it's saying that some ingested 5HTP is converted to 5-MeO-DMT, not that the 5-MeO-DMT is created endogenously.

edit: It's 5-HO-T, not 5HTP, so even less work is going on. Perhaps you could conclude that rats pineal glands methylate tryptamines, but this isn't enough to conclude that DMT is produced endogenously in the rat pineal, much less to extend that to humans.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981113 - 01/04/17 11:13 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Boom. When people want to believe things, they will bend facts.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB] * 1
    #23981121 - 01/04/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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DMT in the brain facilitating spiritual experiences and dreaming? People speaking to entities external from themselves? Mushrooms coming from space? A lot of the myths surrounding the psychedelic experience are shared as fact even though much of it is unproven and even downright non sense. I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this. I think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma. This needs more discussion, so let us discuss





You are like, so edgy man


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Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23981130 - 01/04/17 11:22 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I'm just tired of reading bro facts, homie.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981134 - 01/04/17 11:26 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I didn't even read that article just saw a closely related title and yes once they start going into the 100  spin off compounds I get lost


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It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Psychonott]
    #23981153 - 01/04/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Well don't tell use we're wrong and should have googled things if you can't even read the title of the paper then.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981240 - 01/04/17 12:08 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

This is one of the most idiotic posts I think I have ever read. First off no one claims its spiritual significance as being "fact"...how could that possibly be a fact? I think you're just being stubborn and ignorant right now because everyone knows what is and isn't considered "spiritual" is completely subjective, there is no scientific evidence "proving" that it's spiritual because there obviously can't be....
We don't have the tools to even begin to measure such a thing.


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I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this.




I think you're just projecting your own nonsensical proclivities onto others by assuming that everyone else is just as biased and irrational as you because you couldn't possibly imagine someone else coming to that kind of conclusion and so you see that overly subjective weakness in yourself.
You're so overbearingly transparent.


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I think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma. This needs more discussion, so let us discuss




No if anything you're the one trying to downplay the validity of the experience by being a reductionist because you like to appeal to others through that image, through that false comfort that you call rationalism because in your mind the most boring answer is by default the most plausible. Actually you probably don't even think that, I forgot that's just an image you're trying to portray to come off as strong minded so that you get respect from the tribe. You don't actually believe the garbage you're spewing your ego just wants to impress others with its resilience.

Please go and tell me how the "negative stigma" behind psychedelics has anything to do with entities or whether these things are real or not. You know nothing about psychedelic stigma clearly.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981348 - 01/04/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Well don't tell use we're wrong and should have googled things if you can't even read the title of the paper then.



Never said anyone was wrong just how easy it is to find academic articles around this topic


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You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points.

It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981354 - 01/04/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

My least favorite thing is when people say "if you crack your back it releases lsd bro I swear" this is fucking wrong and stupid. I have taken lsd 100+ times, I crack my back not so often, it doesen't work, lsd is metabolized entirely within 5 days.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Psychonott]
    #23981392 - 01/04/17 12:59 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Psychonott said:
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krypto2000 said:
Well don't tell use we're wrong and should have googled things if you can't even read the title of the paper then.



Never said anyone was wrong just how easy it is to find academic articles around this topic




I took the way you phrased it as snarky to imply that we should be googling it and it's true that n,n,dmt is produced in the pineal/brain. We said it's unproven, and someone already mentioned the recent study on rats. So we asked for proof that it was produced in the brain and you then replied directly with that study. Okay, sure it's easy enough to find papers around the topic, but none that prove the claim at hand, that still remains unsubstantiated yet people commonly espouse it as fact.

In reality there isn't even much supporting evidence much less proof, afaik the only evidence at all is that it's detected within the blood stream, that's it. The rest is fantastical and baseless thinking, period. For one thing the pineal tends to calcify as it ages so to claim dmt is produced while dreaming, ok, sure whatever, it's possible, but to claim it's released at death and all these fantastical claims, it goes against the facts we do have. I think DMT and psychedelics are very interesting, have a lot of benefits, and a lot of questions, but I also think Strassman could hit the pipe a little less and the books a little more.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: czech]
    #23981402 - 01/04/17 01:04 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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My least favorite thing is when people say "if you crack your back it releases lsd bro I swear" this is fucking wrong and stupid. I have taken lsd 100+ times, I crack my back not so often, it doesen't work, lsd is metabolized entirely within 5 days.




That doesn't bother me as much as when people claim that mushrooms poison you and that's why you trip. When asked what makes it poisonous they just say, 'well cause it makes you trip.' Uh.. okay, so it's not toxic at all, I can take massive doses even and be fine, yet because it affects your consciousness it's a poisons? With that logic everything is a poison. Even better is people who trip once, have a bad time, and claim it must be a poison bc they had a bad time. Right. So I ate broccoli, I don't like it, must be poisonous. :rolleyes:


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #23981412 - 01/04/17 01:07 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Mushrooms make your brain bleed and that is why you trip

the season doesn't start until after the first frost

ripping up mycelium and putting it in your backyard will grow a new patch

if you take 5 hits of lsd you go insane

mdma makes holes in your brain

DMT is created in your pineal gland (presented as fact rather than theory)

DMT is what causes dreams (presented as fact rather than theory)


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981415 - 01/04/17 01:08 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

if you took 2 clones, had one eat fresh mushrooms till he died, and one drink pepsi till he died, the coke guy would die at 6 litres and the mushroom guy would just be trippin pretty hard for a few days at the equivalent weight.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23981419 - 01/04/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

The season doesn't start until after the first frost? What lol?


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981437 - 01/04/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Yea people always used to say that back when I was in high school, I would just let them believe it, more for me lol


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23981459 - 01/04/17 01:27 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Why are you personally attacking me? Did I offend you? I'm trying to analyze the world, the things that we can actually measure. People experience many transcendental and spiritual things, sober and under the influence. What is that exactly? Why do certain drugs and stressful events trigger these things? I don't care how I appeal to the tribe, I just want the tribe to always question everything, never stop trying to understand things from different points of view. I know nothing about psychedelic stigma? It doesn't really do any of us good when someone believes they are talking to real aliens because of a drug experience. That comes off as a little weird to unacquainted folks.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981468 - 01/04/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I don't agree with him attacking you, but what's wrong with believing they are real aliens, spirits, etc? I see where you're coming from, if they're not, and they may not be, then I'm curious what the explanation is. I'm open to the possibility that they are though too, some experiences I've had just make too much sense to dismiss it as an illusion or something.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981503 - 01/04/17 01:44 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

There could be aliens or spirits, things on a higher dimension, but until we can measure these things, I tend to lean towards to the things that we do understand to some degree, like dreaming. Is every fantastic thing that you see when you dream real? Or is it just our imaginations creating things out of our experiences and even instinct? The brain is behaving differently during the psychedelic experience and during dreaming, in comparison to being awake. Obviously something is going on there inside the brain, so why would the first place you look for an explanation be aliens or a higher plane? We should be looking at the brain more, because that's where things are happening, and understanding this may open up all sorts of doors to things like telepathy and higher dimensions.. but until then we have the data that we have.

In a day and age when we are constantly learning new things, I think it's healthy to always be on the fence somewhat, because new data can completely change our understanding about something.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981526 - 01/04/17 01:55 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

OP is just jealous that i can make LSD with rye, a pressure cooker, and a baked potato

(A user on here actually thought that was possible)


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23981532 - 01/04/17 01:58 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Lol, of course it's not possible, you forgot the orange peel.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981586 - 01/04/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Lol big red in an orange



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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981705 - 01/04/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Lol big red in an orange







eww whos that :lol:


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Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981713 - 01/04/17 03:22 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Lol, of course it's not possible, you forgot the orange peel.





i use the baked potato and not the orange peel because it reduces the risk of me turning into a glass of orange juice. it happened to 3 of my friends. 1 eventually was spilled and the other 2 went bad.

I think youre a noob if you still use the orange peel tek. the baked potato tek is good :thumbup:


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23981720 - 01/04/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Oh, if turn into orange juice I just eat some sugar, it stops the trip instantly. /s


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23982850 - 01/04/17 11:48 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I heard Strassman on a podcast interview on YouTube recently and he said DMT is mostly produced in the lungs and he said the pineal gland was a theory that had been proven since Spirit Molecule.
I'm grateful for Rick Strassman's work. I had a near death experience in 2014 and it was so strikingly similar to DMT. I had never used DMT until 2016 but had used alot of LSD in the 80's and 90's.
Only difference between my NDE and smoked DMT was that the NDE was more directive and personal. I was confused for months after because it was an unbelievable experience that I just couldnt explain.
When I read the Spirit Molecule book it gave me the best explanation for my NDE. I believe I experienced endogenous DMT.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Headrush]
    #23982986 - 01/05/17 02:28 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Headrush said:
I heard Strassman on a podcast interview on YouTube recently and he said DMT is mostly produced in the lungs and he said the pineal gland was a theory that had been proven since Spirit Molecule.
I'm grateful for Rick Strassman's work. I had a near death experience in 2014 and it was so strikingly similar to DMT. I had never used DMT until 2016 but had used alot of LSD in the 80's and 90's.
Only difference between my NDE and smoked DMT was that the NDE was more directive and personal. I was confused for months after because it was an unbelievable experience that I just couldnt explain.
When I read the Spirit Molecule book it gave me the best explanation for my NDE. I believe I experienced endogenous DMT.




They've found it in rat brains and it'd be hard to do the same study on a human without fucking them up or killing them. I don't understand why it's so hard to believe it could also be found in the human brain.

On the other hand a lot of these people are also saying it's released when you're dreaming and you gotta decalcify your pineal gland and open your chakras bruh
I see why that's annoying.

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Based on evidence from past studies and some more recent findings, a three-step mechanism is postulated that would allow DMT to reach high local concentrations within neurons.
The first step entails crossing the blood–brain barrier by an uptake across the endothelial plasma membrane according to reports that described the accumulation of DMT and other tryptamines in the brain following peripheral administration
(Barker et al. 1982; Sitaram et al. 1987; Takahashi et al. 1985; Yanai et al. 1986).

The second step involves the serotonin uptake transporter located on the neuronal surface. This action is followed by a third one, which is the DMT’s facilitated sequestration into synaptic vesicles from the cytoplasm by the neuronal vesicle monoamine transporter 2 (Cozzi et al. 2009).

After its neuronal uptake, DMT can act at intracellular modulators of signal transduction systems (see below) or remain stored in vesicles for up to at least 1 week and available to be released under appropriate stimuli (Vitale et al. 2011).
The latter team has found that DMT had not only entered the brain rapidly, but also stayed there.
The injected amount crossed the blood–brain barrier within 10 s after intravenous administration and was only partially excreted in urine.

It was different in the case of tryptamine which had also gone through a rapid brain uptake, but had been fully excreted by 10 min after injection.
In contrast, DMT persisted in the brain beyond 48 h and was still detected at day 7 after injection.
There were no traces of either DMT or any other metabolite in the urine at 24 h after injection. These authors concluded that DMT was not removed from the brain
beyond a certain point, and even after a complete clearance from the blood, it was still present in the central nervous system.

In essence, DMT is passing through three barriers with the help of three different active transport mechanisms to be compartmentalized and stored within the brain.
In this manner, high intracellular and vesicular concentrations of DMT can be achieved within neurons.
The outlined stages of uptake reveal that considerable physiological effort is exerted for the accumulation and storage of DMT and suggest that it has vital importance, since only a few compounds
such as glucose and amino acids are known to be treated with similar priority. These extensive specialized processes would not have evolved to target a toxic compound or merely because of the psychedelic effects of DMT.






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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23982992 - 01/05/17 02:35 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Hearsay?


Academic articles?

Youre all fucked.  Forever damned into the hell of stupid.


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    #23982996 - 01/05/17 02:41 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

But if you must know.  Your brain is far smarter than you.  The very nature of people does not regularly allow people to see that this is the case, in almost every person's situation.

Ever had a seizure?  Do you know what makes you tick?  You are a fucking super-computer!


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: czech]
    #23983193 - 01/05/17 06:47 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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if you took 2 clones, had one eat fresh mushrooms till he died, and one drink pepsi till he died, the coke guy would die at 6 litres and the mushroom guy would just be trippin pretty hard for a few days at the equivalent weight.




But what about the pepsi guy?


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB] * 1
    #23983210 - 01/05/17 07:01 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this




I agree with this. In my own personal opinion I believe that when it comes to the psychedelic experience, mainly DMT and high doses of LSD/Shrooms, the individual is able to have experiences free from their usual conditioning, beliefs, thought patterns and general framework they use to navigate and understand 'reality'. This causes the brain to receive a stream of raw, unfiltered and unorganized data.

Once the trip is over and the individuals brain had returned to 'normal' they are unable to comprehend the experience because their conditioning/beliefs/framework, which include the mechanisms responsible for problem solving, analysing, understanding etc., were not present during the time of the experience. The brain, which is always solving problems, 'completing' and organising data, fills in these uncomprehendable gaps the best it can, in this case often from 'imagination' or information recently learned, such as a concept or a religion, which can manifest itself in a psychedelic experience because the brain uses what is most easily accessable to fill in the gaps and solve the problem quickly.

While this process restores order, it creates a fabricated memory of the experience, resulting in many of the trip reports you read about.

Just my 2c ^.^


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    #23983241 - 01/05/17 07:42 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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TempestDnB said:
I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this




I agree with this. In my own personal opinion I believe that when it comes to the psychedelic experience, mainly DMT and high doses of LSD/Shrooms, the individual is able to have experiences free from their usual conditioning, beliefs, thought patterns and general framework they use to navigate and understand 'reality'. This causes the brain to receive a stream of raw, unfiltered and unorganized data. Once the trip is over and the individuals brain had returned to 'normal' they are unable to comprehend the experience because their conditioning/beliefs/framework, which include the mechanisms responsible for problem solving, analysing, understanding etc., were not present during the time of the experience. The brain, which is always solving problems, 'completing' and organising data, fills in these uncomprehendable gaps the best it can, in this case often from 'imagination'.

This could be why information recently learned, such as a concept or a religion, can manifest itself in a psychedelic experience because the brain uses some of that fresh information to fill in the gaps. This process restored balance, but creates a fabricated memory of the experience, resulting in many of the trip reports you read about.

Just my 2c ^.^





Then you are just claiming to understand an experience that nobody can understand...all while pretending to know yourself.

You are basically saying "you dont understand your own experience nor do you know how to interpret it" but the fact remains that nobody does therefore you are in no position to make the claim.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23983250 - 01/05/17 07:50 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Then you are just claiming to understand an experience that nobody can understand...all while pretending to know yourself.

You are basically saying "you dont understand your own experience nor do you know how to interpret it" but the fact remains that nobody does therefore you are in no position to make the claim.




I am not making any claims or saying what is fact, nor am I stating that I understand the experience. I am just offering a possible idea and my opinion.

Basically what I am trying to say is that maybe the parts of our brain used to understand an experience are not present DURING the experience which is why it can not be understood. However, once they have returned our brains do their best to create an 'understandable' memory, which isn't always accurate.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23983267 - 01/05/17 07:54 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23983278 - 01/05/17 08:01 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Yeah, and my car's a better driver than me too. :rolleyes:


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    #23983298 - 01/05/17 08:15 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Hard to understand 4th dimensional thought in this reality. They don't fit together well. Conciousness is something that you access it seems. Pure information. It can't be defined here.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Crispykoot] * 1
    #23983354 - 01/05/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?




I don't, but logically you would assume that there are parts of our brain that are used to understand things. How else would we be where we are today if we didn't have the ability to understand concepts, language, science etc.

Like I said, I'm just throwing around ideas. My understanding of biology isnt too great, but a quick google search reveals;
"The frontal lobe, an area of the brain sitting behind the forehead at the front of each cerebral hemisphere. Working memory is a capacity for temporarily storing and manipulating information needed to carry out cognitive tasks such as learning, reasoning and understanding."

My uneducated, purely hypothetical theory could explain things such as;

Ego loss - parts of the brain responsible for self awareness (the ego 'self') not being present during the trip, as well as access to memories about our whole lives being temporarily disabled, leaving the individual still with awareness, but stripped of anything that would remind him/her of their identity or even their existence.

Feeling of Oneness - mechanisms responsible for identifying what is 'you' and what is 'not you' being suspended during the trip.

Time - the parts of our brain that conceptulize and reference 'time' become distorted or temporarily shut down.

The importance of set and setting - the most accessable data the brain uses to create the 'understandable' memory would be the newest information it has such as your immediate environment - comfort, temperature, light/dark etc. and your mindset and thoughts just before the trip - positive/negative, relaxed/paradoid etc. All these factors could contribute to the memory created of the experience and have little to do with the actual experience itself.

I could keep going but as you can see this idea could be used to explain various elements of the psychedelic experience.

I had this idea awhile ago when I read something about DMT and psilocybin, which are molecularly similar, reducing brain activity during a trip.

Although in saying all of this, I've had a few DMT experiences that left me 100% convinced it was more than just a chemical reaction, more than a drug induced 'trip'... More real than this world. But like everything else DMT, that sureness quickly fades away.


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The only reason why T-rex's can't walk backwards is because they're extinct, which perfectly explains why there are no headaches in the rainforest; The parrots eat 'em all.

My Drawings


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23984009 - 01/05/17 01:54 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?




I don't, but logically you would assume that there are parts of our brain that are used to understand things. How else would we be where we are today if we didn't have the ability to understand concepts, language, science etc.

Like I said, I'm just throwing around ideas. My understanding of biology isnt too great, but a quick google search reveals;
"The frontal lobe, an area of the brain sitting behind the forehead at the front of each cerebral hemisphere. Working memory is a capacity for temporarily storing and manipulating information needed to carry out cognitive tasks such as learning, reasoning and understanding."

My uneducated, purely hypothetical theory could explain things such as;

Ego loss - parts of the brain responsible for self awareness (the ego 'self') not being present during the trip, as well as access to memories about our whole lives being temporarily disabled, leaving the individual still with awareness, but stripped of anything that would remind him/her of their identity or even their existence.

Feeling of Oneness - mechanisms responsible for identifying what is 'you' and what is 'not you' being suspended during the trip.

Time - the parts of our brain that conceptulize and reference 'time' become distorted or temporarily shut down.

The importance of set and setting - the most accessable data the brain uses to create the 'understandable' memory would be the newest information it has such as your immediate environment - comfort, temperature, light/dark etc. and your mindset and thoughts just before the trip - positive/negative, relaxed/paradoid etc. All these factors could contribute to the memory created of the experience and have little to do with the actual experience itself.

I could keep going but as you can see this idea could be used to explain various elements of the psychedelic experience.

I had this idea awhile ago when I read something about DMT and psilocybin, which are molecularly similar, reducing brain activity during a trip.

Although in saying all of this, I've had a few DMT experiences that left me 100% convinced it was more than just a chemical reaction, more than a drug induced 'trip'... More real than this world. But like everything else DMT, that sureness quickly fades away.



I agree with your theory. Makes sense to me.


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    #23984030 - 01/05/17 02:05 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Headrush]
    #23984449 - 01/05/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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wolfiewolfie said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?




I don't, but logically you would assume that there are parts of our brain that are used to understand things. How else would we be where we are today if we didn't have the ability to understand concepts, language, science etc.

Like I said, I'm just throwing around ideas. My understanding of biology isnt too great, but a quick google search reveals;
"The frontal lobe, an area of the brain sitting behind the forehead at the front of each cerebral hemisphere. Working memory is a capacity for temporarily storing and manipulating information needed to carry out cognitive tasks such as learning, reasoning and understanding."

My uneducated, purely hypothetical theory could explain things such as;

Ego loss - parts of the brain responsible for self awareness (the ego 'self') not being present during the trip, as well as access to memories about our whole lives being temporarily disabled, leaving the individual still with awareness, but stripped of anything that would remind him/her of their identity or even their existence.

Feeling of Oneness - mechanisms responsible for identifying what is 'you' and what is 'not you' being suspended during the trip.

Time - the parts of our brain that conceptulize and reference 'time' become distorted or temporarily shut down.

The importance of set and setting - the most accessable data the brain uses to create the 'understandable' memory would be the newest information it has such as your immediate environment - comfort, temperature, light/dark etc. and your mindset and thoughts just before the trip - positive/negative, relaxed/paradoid etc. All these factors could contribute to the memory created of the experience and have little to do with the actual experience itself.

I could keep going but as you can see this idea could be used to explain various elements of the psychedelic experience.

I had this idea awhile ago when I read something about DMT and psilocybin, which are molecularly similar, reducing brain activity during a trip.

Although in saying all of this, I've had a few DMT experiences that left me 100% convinced it was more than just a chemical reaction, more than a drug induced 'trip'... More real than this world. But like everything else DMT, that sureness quickly fades away.



I agree with your theory. Makes sense to me.





What exactly is the theory?


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23984467 - 01/05/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Mushrooms DO come from space. Actually they come from the planet Kolob. This is clearly true as there are depictions of them in the book of Abraham.


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    #23984509 - 01/05/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

"Reducing brain activity"...  Always sounded like a very false claim as it pertains to mostly any psychedelic drug.

If someone tried to tell me lsd most of all, reduces brain activity, I should avoid a body slam to their dumb ass.  I don't make a habit of pile-driving ignorant people so it is lucky for those who believe everything they read.

Because I got muscles and stuff.  I dern't take kindly to pseudoscience.  Think most people are really bad at thinking for themselves - kind of thing.

BODY SLAM EM!

(metaphorically, cause theyre dumb-as-fuck-snake oil salesman)


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984525 - 01/05/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Current research says that it does reduce brain activity. Go body slam your own dumbass.


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    #23984541 - 01/05/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Current research says that it does reduce brain activity. Go body slam your own dumbass.




You wanna pretend you know how the brain prioritizes the encompassed space?  How the human brain transmits such information?

Well good for you then.  You know more than the rest of honest human-kind obviously.


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    #23984553 - 01/05/17 05:08 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

cause you managed to read some short paragraphs someone else wrote..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984575 - 01/05/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

You can always tell someone's butthurt when they make double posts defending themselves with nonsensical attacks and rhetoric.


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    #23984588 - 01/05/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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You can always tell someone's butthurt when they make double posts defending themselves with nonsensical attacks and rhetoric.



Wow, that pretty harsh bro.

"rhetoric", lol

Aw, it's cool man.  It was mostly a joke and it's fine how you didn't catch that.  Still I am right.


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    #23984596 - 01/05/17 05:19 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

How is this for another double post?

Does that like, get you so triggered?  Ready to mouth-off at strangers now are you?

Fucking maturity.

"butthurt - because we are all adults here.

Well, my butt is obviously hurt all over the place right now.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984612 - 01/05/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

I'll award the winner of this argument two of my finest orange crayons.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23984622 - 01/05/17 05:29 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Smellfarts is wrong. Its proven psilocybin reduces areas in the brain when it was previously thought to be the opposite


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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    #23984623 - 01/05/17 05:29 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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I'll award the winner of this argument two of my finest orange crayons.





I want those crayons.  So butthurt over here.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23984632 - 01/05/17 05:33 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Smellfarts is wrong. Its proven psilocybin reduces areas the brain when it was previously thought to be the opposite




Ok guy called Bill_Oreilly.  You are obviously an authority on the matter.

Cause you read an article, you believe in the ability of people to quantify the psychedelic experience and the neurological space such experiences encompass.

Thanks TESLA.  You deciphered consciousness!


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984633 - 01/05/17 05:33 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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I'll award the winner of this argument two of my finest orange crayons.





I want those crayons.  So butthurt over here.



They can be yours. You know what to do.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984650 - 01/05/17 05:38 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

No really, congratulations you guys.  You pretend to understand the human brain and mind well beyond the scope of the articles you pretend to have read.

I mean, what else is there to say?  Psychedelics REDUCE brain functionality and activity!  Right?  Ok you guys.

Only because I win.

It is bullshit.  Don't care what brain scanners have to say.  This is Olney's lesions all over again with a super silly twist to it.

That's how I know you don't know how brain matter works.  You know even less than I do and yet are so confident in yourselves.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984661 - 01/05/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Smellfarts is so butthurt :lol:


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23984664 - 01/05/17 05:45 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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No really, congratulations you guys.  You pretend to understand the human brain and mind well beyond the scope of the articles you pretend to have read.




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wolfiewolfie said:
In my own personal opinion




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wolfiewolfie said:
I am not making any claims or saying what is fact, nor am I stating that I understand the experience. I am just offering a possible idea and my opinion.





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Like I said, I'm just throwing around ideas.




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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23984667 - 01/05/17 05:45 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Smellfarts is so butthurt :lol:




Well at least my name is not Bill_Oreilly while I say stupid shit.  And with that avatar.  You are especially special.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23984668 - 01/05/17 05:46 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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wolfiewolfie said:
Quote:

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I'll award the winner of this argument two of my finest orange crayons.





I want those crayons.  So butthurt over here.



They can be yours. You know what to do.




Thanks wolf, now we're going to have orange everywhere, you know he can't stay in the lines.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984671 - 01/05/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

It really does smell like a fart in here.  Who did it?  Was it Oreilly? Cause it smells like a sycophant in here.  Sounds like a bunch of people who half-read shit about stuff.


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    #23984672 - 01/05/17 05:48 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

At this point it's anyone's game.



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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984673 - 01/05/17 05:49 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Smellfarts is so butthurt :lol:




Well at least my name is not Bill_Oreilly while I say stupid shit.  And with that avatar.  You are especially special.





Go back to smelling your own farts in your moms basement while forgetting to wipe off the cheese from all the cheetos from your keyboard


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984675 - 01/05/17 05:49 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Aw man that fucking stinks.  It was mostly krypto2000 farts.

You guys need to change your diet.  You are pure ass.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984678 - 01/05/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Aw man that fucking stinks.  It was mostly krypto2000 farts.

You guys need to change your diet.  You are pure ass.





:underage:


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23984683 - 01/05/17 05:51 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Quote:

smellfarts said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
Smellfarts is so butthurt :lol:




Well at least my name is not Bill_Oreilly while I say stupid shit.  And with that avatar.  You are especially special.





Go back to smelling your own farts in your moms basement while forgetting to wipe off the cheese from all the cheetos from your keyboard




That is so original that I cant possibly retort.  You are king internets.

I'm still right though.


Edited by smellfarts (01/05/17 05:54 PM)


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23984685 - 01/05/17 05:52 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Quote:

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Quote:

smellfarts said:
Aw man that fucking stinks.  It was mostly krypto2000 farts.

You guys need to change your diet.  You are pure ass.





:underage:




Even more originality.  He just doesn't quit. 

I can't compete with that


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984687 - 01/05/17 05:54 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Look guys another double post from butthurt :underage:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23984691 - 01/05/17 05:56 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

.                      Attacks    Defences
Smellyfarts.      7.          5
Bill.                  6.          0
Krypto.          1.          1


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23984693 - 01/05/17 05:56 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Mushrooms are definitely from space lol :mushroom2: :awesomenod::thumbup:


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984700 - 01/05/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

See, I can win the convo without quoting derelict science labs.

I win.  That's what happens when you take a psychedelic.  Yer hopefully less void of truth, if even for a short time.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: acidninja]
    #23984702 - 01/05/17 05:58 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Mushrooms are definitely from space lol :mushroom2: :awesomenod::thumbup:




See this is what I am talking about.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23984708 - 01/05/17 06:00 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Smellyfarts. In a clear and concise manor, what is the point you are arguing exactly?


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Mushrooms are definitely from space lol :mushroom2: :awesomenod::thumbup:




See this is what I am talking about.



Every single atom on this planet is from space though


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23984711 - 01/05/17 06:01 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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See, I can win the convo without quoting derelict science labs.

I win.  That's what happens when you take a psychedelic.  Yer hopefully less void of truth, if even for a short time.



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.                      Attacks    Defences
Smellyfarts.      7.          5
Bill.                  6.          0
Krypto.          1.          1



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At this point it's anyone's game.





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Aw man that fucking stinks.  It was mostly krypto2000 farts.

You guys need to change your diet.  You are pure ass.





:underage:





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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
    #23984714 - 01/05/17 06:01 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Quote:

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Mushrooms are definitely from space lol :mushroom2: :awesomenod::thumbup:




See this is what I am talking about.



Every single atom on this planet is from space though




magic star dust dude! :rocket:


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: acidninja]
    #23984798 - 01/05/17 06:33 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

OP sorry for derailing your thread...

...unless OP was Smellyfarts... Who is now banned...

...I'll keep my orange crayons thanks.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: pinedownpioneer]
    #23984848 - 01/05/17 06:55 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

All bout that squantch life
PS mushrooms do for sure arrest function in certain parts of the brain, specifically the neo frontal cortex which is responsible for the sense of self, which is why mushrooms cause ego loss. this is proven.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23985662 - 01/06/17 01:46 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

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All bout that squantch life
PS mushrooms do for sure arrest function in certain parts of the brain, specifically the neo frontal cortex which is responsible for the sense of self, which is why mushrooms cause ego loss. this is proven.





Neocortex if anyone wants to research on it


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
    #23986121 - 01/06/17 09:50 AM (7 years, 24 days ago)

You have to separate a lot of shaft on this stuff. A lot of peoples experiences are non sense. When you tell them, they get pissed and call you a troll. Like I'm really going to think machine elves control the universe like a Santa Clause factory! Truth is more important to me than them, so they can think what they want. Terrence has some flaws himself. The mushrooms from space idea is most likely not true. All organisms on this planet share an evolutionary lineage. It doesn't matter if the spores are impenetrable to UV radiation.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: acidninja]
    #23990143 - 01/07/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

How are mushrooms from space we share a common ancestor with them? If you want to be more broad and you're speaking about all life coming from space, via panspermia, that's different.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23990197 - 01/07/17 05:16 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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That is on rats as previously discussed, not humans. It's also about 5-MeO-DMT, not N,N,DMT, and it's saying that some ingested 5HTP is converted to 5-MeO-DMT, not that the 5-MeO-DMT is created endogenously.

edit: It's 5-HO-T, not 5HTP, so even less work is going on. Perhaps you could conclude that rats pineal glands methylate tryptamines, but this isn't enough to conclude that DMT is produced endogenously in the rat pineal, much less to extend that to humans.



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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23990836 - 01/07/17 08:34 PM (7 years, 23 days ago)

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How are mushrooms from space we share a common ancestor with them? If you want to be more broad and you're speaking about all life coming from space, via panspermia, that's different.




No, no. Common misunderstanding. Mushrooms came from the planet Kolob,  and then humans evolved from mushrooms. You know when you wake up sometimes with a furry tongue? Evolutionary leftover.


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How are mushrooms from space we share a common ancestor with them? If you want to be more broad and you're speaking about all life coming from space, via panspermia, that's different.




No, no. Common misunderstanding. Mushrooms came from the planet Kolob,  and then humans evolved from mushrooms. You know when you wake up sometimes with a furry tongue? Evolutionary leftover.




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