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Trypto-Fan
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: czech]
#23983193 - 01/05/17 06:47 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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czech said: if you took 2 clones, had one eat fresh mushrooms till he died, and one drink pepsi till he died, the coke guy would die at 6 litres and the mushroom guy would just be trippin pretty hard for a few days at the equivalent weight.
But what about the pepsi guy?
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB] 1
#23983210 - 01/05/17 07:01 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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TempestDnB said: I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this
I agree with this. In my own personal opinion I believe that when it comes to the psychedelic experience, mainly DMT and high doses of LSD/Shrooms, the individual is able to have experiences free from their usual conditioning, beliefs, thought patterns and general framework they use to navigate and understand 'reality'. This causes the brain to receive a stream of raw, unfiltered and unorganized data.
Once the trip is over and the individuals brain had returned to 'normal' they are unable to comprehend the experience because their conditioning/beliefs/framework, which include the mechanisms responsible for problem solving, analysing, understanding etc., were not present during the time of the experience. The brain, which is always solving problems, 'completing' and organising data, fills in these uncomprehendable gaps the best it can, in this case often from 'imagination' or information recently learned, such as a concept or a religion, which can manifest itself in a psychedelic experience because the brain uses what is most easily accessable to fill in the gaps and solve the problem quickly.
While this process restores order, it creates a fabricated memory of the experience, resulting in many of the trip reports you read about.
Just my 2c ^.^
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23983241 - 01/05/17 07:42 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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wolfiewolfie said:
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TempestDnB said: I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this
I agree with this. In my own personal opinion I believe that when it comes to the psychedelic experience, mainly DMT and high doses of LSD/Shrooms, the individual is able to have experiences free from their usual conditioning, beliefs, thought patterns and general framework they use to navigate and understand 'reality'. This causes the brain to receive a stream of raw, unfiltered and unorganized data. Once the trip is over and the individuals brain had returned to 'normal' they are unable to comprehend the experience because their conditioning/beliefs/framework, which include the mechanisms responsible for problem solving, analysing, understanding etc., were not present during the time of the experience. The brain, which is always solving problems, 'completing' and organising data, fills in these uncomprehendable gaps the best it can, in this case often from 'imagination'.
This could be why information recently learned, such as a concept or a religion, can manifest itself in a psychedelic experience because the brain uses some of that fresh information to fill in the gaps. This process restored balance, but creates a fabricated memory of the experience, resulting in many of the trip reports you read about.
Just my 2c ^.^
Then you are just claiming to understand an experience that nobody can understand...all while pretending to know yourself.
You are basically saying "you dont understand your own experience nor do you know how to interpret it" but the fact remains that nobody does therefore you are in no position to make the claim.
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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wolfiewolfie
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23983250 - 01/05/17 07:50 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: Then you are just claiming to understand an experience that nobody can understand...all while pretending to know yourself.
You are basically saying "you dont understand your own experience nor do you know how to interpret it" but the fact remains that nobody does therefore you are in no position to make the claim.
I am not making any claims or saying what is fact, nor am I stating that I understand the experience. I am just offering a possible idea and my opinion.
Basically what I am trying to say is that maybe the parts of our brain used to understand an experience are not present DURING the experience which is why it can not be understood. However, once they have returned our brains do their best to create an 'understandable' memory, which isn't always accurate.
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Edited by wolfiewolfie (01/05/17 07:53 AM)
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23983267 - 01/05/17 07:54 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23983278 - 01/05/17 08:01 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Yeah, and my car's a better driver than me too.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
#23983298 - 01/05/17 08:15 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Hard to understand 4th dimensional thought in this reality. They don't fit together well. Conciousness is something that you access it seems. Pure information. It can't be defined here.
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wolfiewolfie
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Crispykoot] 1
#23983354 - 01/05/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said: how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?
I don't, but logically you would assume that there are parts of our brain that are used to understand things. How else would we be where we are today if we didn't have the ability to understand concepts, language, science etc.
Like I said, I'm just throwing around ideas. My understanding of biology isnt too great, but a quick google search reveals; "The frontal lobe, an area of the brain sitting behind the forehead at the front of each cerebral hemisphere. Working memory is a capacity for temporarily storing and manipulating information needed to carry out cognitive tasks such as learning, reasoning and understanding."
My uneducated, purely hypothetical theory could explain things such as;
Ego loss - parts of the brain responsible for self awareness (the ego 'self') not being present during the trip, as well as access to memories about our whole lives being temporarily disabled, leaving the individual still with awareness, but stripped of anything that would remind him/her of their identity or even their existence.
Feeling of Oneness - mechanisms responsible for identifying what is 'you' and what is 'not you' being suspended during the trip.
Time - the parts of our brain that conceptulize and reference 'time' become distorted or temporarily shut down.
The importance of set and setting - the most accessable data the brain uses to create the 'understandable' memory would be the newest information it has such as your immediate environment - comfort, temperature, light/dark etc. and your mindset and thoughts just before the trip - positive/negative, relaxed/paradoid etc. All these factors could contribute to the memory created of the experience and have little to do with the actual experience itself.
I could keep going but as you can see this idea could be used to explain various elements of the psychedelic experience.
I had this idea awhile ago when I read something about DMT and psilocybin, which are molecularly similar, reducing brain activity during a trip.
Although in saying all of this, I've had a few DMT experiences that left me 100% convinced it was more than just a chemical reaction, more than a drug induced 'trip'... More real than this world. But like everything else DMT, that sureness quickly fades away.
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The only reason why T-rex's can't walk backwards is because they're extinct, which perfectly explains why there are no headaches in the rainforest; The parrots eat 'em all. My Drawings
Edited by wolfiewolfie (01/05/17 08:51 AM)
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: wolfiewolfie]
#23984009 - 01/05/17 01:54 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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wolfiewolfie said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?
I don't, but logically you would assume that there are parts of our brain that are used to understand things. How else would we be where we are today if we didn't have the ability to understand concepts, language, science etc.
Like I said, I'm just throwing around ideas. My understanding of biology isnt too great, but a quick google search reveals; "The frontal lobe, an area of the brain sitting behind the forehead at the front of each cerebral hemisphere. Working memory is a capacity for temporarily storing and manipulating information needed to carry out cognitive tasks such as learning, reasoning and understanding."
My uneducated, purely hypothetical theory could explain things such as;
Ego loss - parts of the brain responsible for self awareness (the ego 'self') not being present during the trip, as well as access to memories about our whole lives being temporarily disabled, leaving the individual still with awareness, but stripped of anything that would remind him/her of their identity or even their existence.
Feeling of Oneness - mechanisms responsible for identifying what is 'you' and what is 'not you' being suspended during the trip.
Time - the parts of our brain that conceptulize and reference 'time' become distorted or temporarily shut down.
The importance of set and setting - the most accessable data the brain uses to create the 'understandable' memory would be the newest information it has such as your immediate environment - comfort, temperature, light/dark etc. and your mindset and thoughts just before the trip - positive/negative, relaxed/paradoid etc. All these factors could contribute to the memory created of the experience and have little to do with the actual experience itself.
I could keep going but as you can see this idea could be used to explain various elements of the psychedelic experience.
I had this idea awhile ago when I read something about DMT and psilocybin, which are molecularly similar, reducing brain activity during a trip.
Although in saying all of this, I've had a few DMT experiences that left me 100% convinced it was more than just a chemical reaction, more than a drug induced 'trip'... More real than this world. But like everything else DMT, that sureness quickly fades away.
I agree with your theory. Makes sense to me.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Headrush] 1
#23984030 - 01/05/17 02:05 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Baby jenkem is a better high
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Headrush]
#23984449 - 01/05/17 04:38 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Headrush said:
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wolfiewolfie said:
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Bill_Oreilly said: how do you know there are parts of the brain that make us understand an experience though?
I don't, but logically you would assume that there are parts of our brain that are used to understand things. How else would we be where we are today if we didn't have the ability to understand concepts, language, science etc.
Like I said, I'm just throwing around ideas. My understanding of biology isnt too great, but a quick google search reveals; "The frontal lobe, an area of the brain sitting behind the forehead at the front of each cerebral hemisphere. Working memory is a capacity for temporarily storing and manipulating information needed to carry out cognitive tasks such as learning, reasoning and understanding."
My uneducated, purely hypothetical theory could explain things such as;
Ego loss - parts of the brain responsible for self awareness (the ego 'self') not being present during the trip, as well as access to memories about our whole lives being temporarily disabled, leaving the individual still with awareness, but stripped of anything that would remind him/her of their identity or even their existence.
Feeling of Oneness - mechanisms responsible for identifying what is 'you' and what is 'not you' being suspended during the trip.
Time - the parts of our brain that conceptulize and reference 'time' become distorted or temporarily shut down.
The importance of set and setting - the most accessable data the brain uses to create the 'understandable' memory would be the newest information it has such as your immediate environment - comfort, temperature, light/dark etc. and your mindset and thoughts just before the trip - positive/negative, relaxed/paradoid etc. All these factors could contribute to the memory created of the experience and have little to do with the actual experience itself.
I could keep going but as you can see this idea could be used to explain various elements of the psychedelic experience.
I had this idea awhile ago when I read something about DMT and psilocybin, which are molecularly similar, reducing brain activity during a trip.
Although in saying all of this, I've had a few DMT experiences that left me 100% convinced it was more than just a chemical reaction, more than a drug induced 'trip'... More real than this world. But like everything else DMT, that sureness quickly fades away.
I agree with your theory. Makes sense to me.
What exactly is the theory?
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
#23984467 - 01/05/17 04:44 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Mushrooms DO come from space. Actually they come from the planet Kolob. This is clearly true as there are depictions of them in the book of Abraham.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: jakefake]
#23984509 - 01/05/17 04:57 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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"Reducing brain activity"... Always sounded like a very false claim as it pertains to mostly any psychedelic drug.
If someone tried to tell me lsd most of all, reduces brain activity, I should avoid a body slam to their dumb ass. I don't make a habit of pile-driving ignorant people so it is lucky for those who believe everything they read.
Because I got muscles and stuff. I dern't take kindly to pseudoscience. Think most people are really bad at thinking for themselves - kind of thing.
BODY SLAM EM!
(metaphorically, cause theyre dumb-as-fuck-snake oil salesman)
Edited by smellfarts (01/05/17 05:13 PM)
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
#23984525 - 01/05/17 05:01 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Current research says that it does reduce brain activity. Go body slam your own dumbass.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
#23984541 - 01/05/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Current research says that it does reduce brain activity. Go body slam your own dumbass.
You wanna pretend you know how the brain prioritizes the encompassed space? How the human brain transmits such information?
Well good for you then. You know more than the rest of honest human-kind obviously.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
#23984553 - 01/05/17 05:08 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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cause you managed to read some short paragraphs someone else wrote..
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
#23984575 - 01/05/17 05:13 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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You can always tell someone's butthurt when they make double posts defending themselves with nonsensical attacks and rhetoric.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
#23984588 - 01/05/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: You can always tell someone's butthurt when they make double posts defending themselves with nonsensical attacks and rhetoric.
Wow, that pretty harsh bro.
"rhetoric", lol
Aw, it's cool man. It was mostly a joke and it's fine how you didn't catch that. Still I am right.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
#23984596 - 01/05/17 05:19 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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How is this for another double post?
Does that like, get you so triggered? Ready to mouth-off at strangers now are you?
Fucking maturity.
"butthurt - because we are all adults here.
Well, my butt is obviously hurt all over the place right now.
Edited by smellfarts (01/05/17 05:28 PM)
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
#23984612 - 01/05/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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I'll award the winner of this argument two of my finest orange crayons.
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