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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981354 - 01/04/17 12:45 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

My least favorite thing is when people say "if you crack your back it releases lsd bro I swear" this is fucking wrong and stupid. I have taken lsd 100+ times, I crack my back not so often, it doesen't work, lsd is metabolized entirely within 5 days.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Psychonott]
    #23981392 - 01/04/17 12:59 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Well don't tell use we're wrong and should have googled things if you can't even read the title of the paper then.



Never said anyone was wrong just how easy it is to find academic articles around this topic




I took the way you phrased it as snarky to imply that we should be googling it and it's true that n,n,dmt is produced in the pineal/brain. We said it's unproven, and someone already mentioned the recent study on rats. So we asked for proof that it was produced in the brain and you then replied directly with that study. Okay, sure it's easy enough to find papers around the topic, but none that prove the claim at hand, that still remains unsubstantiated yet people commonly espouse it as fact.

In reality there isn't even much supporting evidence much less proof, afaik the only evidence at all is that it's detected within the blood stream, that's it. The rest is fantastical and baseless thinking, period. For one thing the pineal tends to calcify as it ages so to claim dmt is produced while dreaming, ok, sure whatever, it's possible, but to claim it's released at death and all these fantastical claims, it goes against the facts we do have. I think DMT and psychedelics are very interesting, have a lot of benefits, and a lot of questions, but I also think Strassman could hit the pipe a little less and the books a little more.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: czech]
    #23981402 - 01/04/17 01:04 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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czech said:
My least favorite thing is when people say "if you crack your back it releases lsd bro I swear" this is fucking wrong and stupid. I have taken lsd 100+ times, I crack my back not so often, it doesen't work, lsd is metabolized entirely within 5 days.




That doesn't bother me as much as when people claim that mushrooms poison you and that's why you trip. When asked what makes it poisonous they just say, 'well cause it makes you trip.' Uh.. okay, so it's not toxic at all, I can take massive doses even and be fine, yet because it affects your consciousness it's a poisons? With that logic everything is a poison. Even better is people who trip once, have a bad time, and claim it must be a poison bc they had a bad time. Right. So I ate broccoli, I don't like it, must be poisonous. :rolleyes:


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000] * 1
    #23981412 - 01/04/17 01:07 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Mushrooms make your brain bleed and that is why you trip

the season doesn't start until after the first frost

ripping up mycelium and putting it in your backyard will grow a new patch

if you take 5 hits of lsd you go insane

mdma makes holes in your brain

DMT is created in your pineal gland (presented as fact rather than theory)

DMT is what causes dreams (presented as fact rather than theory)


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981415 - 01/04/17 01:08 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

if you took 2 clones, had one eat fresh mushrooms till he died, and one drink pepsi till he died, the coke guy would die at 6 litres and the mushroom guy would just be trippin pretty hard for a few days at the equivalent weight.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: xzylocybin]
    #23981419 - 01/04/17 01:09 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

The season doesn't start until after the first frost? What lol?


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981437 - 01/04/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Yea people always used to say that back when I was in high school, I would just let them believe it, more for me lol


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23981459 - 01/04/17 01:27 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Why are you personally attacking me? Did I offend you? I'm trying to analyze the world, the things that we can actually measure. People experience many transcendental and spiritual things, sober and under the influence. What is that exactly? Why do certain drugs and stressful events trigger these things? I don't care how I appeal to the tribe, I just want the tribe to always question everything, never stop trying to understand things from different points of view. I know nothing about psychedelic stigma? It doesn't really do any of us good when someone believes they are talking to real aliens because of a drug experience. That comes off as a little weird to unacquainted folks.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981468 - 01/04/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

I don't agree with him attacking you, but what's wrong with believing they are real aliens, spirits, etc? I see where you're coming from, if they're not, and they may not be, then I'm curious what the explanation is. I'm open to the possibility that they are though too, some experiences I've had just make too much sense to dismiss it as an illusion or something.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981503 - 01/04/17 01:44 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

There could be aliens or spirits, things on a higher dimension, but until we can measure these things, I tend to lean towards to the things that we do understand to some degree, like dreaming. Is every fantastic thing that you see when you dream real? Or is it just our imaginations creating things out of our experiences and even instinct? The brain is behaving differently during the psychedelic experience and during dreaming, in comparison to being awake. Obviously something is going on there inside the brain, so why would the first place you look for an explanation be aliens or a higher plane? We should be looking at the brain more, because that's where things are happening, and understanding this may open up all sorts of doors to things like telepathy and higher dimensions.. but until then we have the data that we have.

In a day and age when we are constantly learning new things, I think it's healthy to always be on the fence somewhat, because new data can completely change our understanding about something.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981526 - 01/04/17 01:55 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

OP is just jealous that i can make LSD with rye, a pressure cooker, and a baked potato

(A user on here actually thought that was possible)


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
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It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23981532 - 01/04/17 01:58 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Lol, of course it's not possible, you forgot the orange peel.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981586 - 01/04/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Lol big red in an orange



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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
    #23981705 - 01/04/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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Lol big red in an orange







eww whos that :lol:


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23981713 - 01/04/17 03:22 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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krypto2000 said:
Lol, of course it's not possible, you forgot the orange peel.





i use the baked potato and not the orange peel because it reduces the risk of me turning into a glass of orange juice. it happened to 3 of my friends. 1 eventually was spilled and the other 2 went bad.

I think youre a noob if you still use the orange peel tek. the baked potato tek is good :thumbup:


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23981720 - 01/04/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 26 days ago)

Oh, if turn into orange juice I just eat some sugar, it stops the trip instantly. /s


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
    #23982850 - 01/04/17 11:48 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

I heard Strassman on a podcast interview on YouTube recently and he said DMT is mostly produced in the lungs and he said the pineal gland was a theory that had been proven since Spirit Molecule.
I'm grateful for Rick Strassman's work. I had a near death experience in 2014 and it was so strikingly similar to DMT. I had never used DMT until 2016 but had used alot of LSD in the 80's and 90's.
Only difference between my NDE and smoked DMT was that the NDE was more directive and personal. I was confused for months after because it was an unbelievable experience that I just couldnt explain.
When I read the Spirit Molecule book it gave me the best explanation for my NDE. I believe I experienced endogenous DMT.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Headrush]
    #23982986 - 01/05/17 02:28 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

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Headrush said:
I heard Strassman on a podcast interview on YouTube recently and he said DMT is mostly produced in the lungs and he said the pineal gland was a theory that had been proven since Spirit Molecule.
I'm grateful for Rick Strassman's work. I had a near death experience in 2014 and it was so strikingly similar to DMT. I had never used DMT until 2016 but had used alot of LSD in the 80's and 90's.
Only difference between my NDE and smoked DMT was that the NDE was more directive and personal. I was confused for months after because it was an unbelievable experience that I just couldnt explain.
When I read the Spirit Molecule book it gave me the best explanation for my NDE. I believe I experienced endogenous DMT.




They've found it in rat brains and it'd be hard to do the same study on a human without fucking them up or killing them. I don't understand why it's so hard to believe it could also be found in the human brain.

On the other hand a lot of these people are also saying it's released when you're dreaming and you gotta decalcify your pineal gland and open your chakras bruh
I see why that's annoying.

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Based on evidence from past studies and some more recent findings, a three-step mechanism is postulated that would allow DMT to reach high local concentrations within neurons.
The first step entails crossing the blood–brain barrier by an uptake across the endothelial plasma membrane according to reports that described the accumulation of DMT and other tryptamines in the brain following peripheral administration
(Barker et al. 1982; Sitaram et al. 1987; Takahashi et al. 1985; Yanai et al. 1986).

The second step involves the serotonin uptake transporter located on the neuronal surface. This action is followed by a third one, which is the DMT’s facilitated sequestration into synaptic vesicles from the cytoplasm by the neuronal vesicle monoamine transporter 2 (Cozzi et al. 2009).

After its neuronal uptake, DMT can act at intracellular modulators of signal transduction systems (see below) or remain stored in vesicles for up to at least 1 week and available to be released under appropriate stimuli (Vitale et al. 2011).
The latter team has found that DMT had not only entered the brain rapidly, but also stayed there.
The injected amount crossed the blood–brain barrier within 10 s after intravenous administration and was only partially excreted in urine.

It was different in the case of tryptamine which had also gone through a rapid brain uptake, but had been fully excreted by 10 min after injection.
In contrast, DMT persisted in the brain beyond 48 h and was still detected at day 7 after injection.
There were no traces of either DMT or any other metabolite in the urine at 24 h after injection. These authors concluded that DMT was not removed from the brain
beyond a certain point, and even after a complete clearance from the blood, it was still present in the central nervous system.

In essence, DMT is passing through three barriers with the help of three different active transport mechanisms to be compartmentalized and stored within the brain.
In this manner, high intracellular and vesicular concentrations of DMT can be achieved within neurons.
The outlined stages of uptake reveal that considerable physiological effort is exerted for the accumulation and storage of DMT and suggest that it has vital importance, since only a few compounds
such as glucose and amino acids are known to be treated with similar priority. These extensive specialized processes would not have evolved to target a toxic compound or merely because of the psychedelic effects of DMT.






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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23982992 - 01/05/17 02:35 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

Hearsay?


Academic articles?

Youre all fucked.  Forever damned into the hell of stupid.


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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: smellfarts]
    #23982996 - 01/05/17 02:41 AM (7 years, 25 days ago)

But if you must know.  Your brain is far smarter than you.  The very nature of people does not regularly allow people to see that this is the case, in almost every person's situation.

Ever had a seizure?  Do you know what makes you tick?  You are a fucking super-computer!


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