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TempestDnB
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The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience
#23980497 - 01/04/17 02:27 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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DMT in the brain facilitating spiritual experiences and dreaming? People speaking to entities external from themselves? Mushrooms coming from space? A lot of the myths surrounding the psychedelic experience are shared as fact even though much of it is unproven and even downright non sense. I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this. I think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma. This needs more discussion, so let us discuss
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
#23980509 - 01/04/17 02:38 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I think many people are confused by their experiences
Only decisive quote from your post.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft] 1
#23980522 - 01/04/17 02:49 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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thats just like your opinion man
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23980532 - 01/04/17 02:56 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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ergoticmandala said: thats just like your opinion man 
Just my opine with well over 1,000 trips, many in large doses, dicey environments for large trips, as to small.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
#23980553 - 01/04/17 03:15 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma.
I mean no one really knows what the hell is going on when you trip, so its up to each person to interpret their experience. All we know is that brain regions can communicate more but a decrease in activity is also seen in certain regions such as the prefrontal cortex.
The thing is there are barely any facts to compare people theories about them with. DMT was actually found to be in the pineal gland like last year I think (before that people were really making it up). But to me, the average person isn't going to look that up and prove you wrong if you said it before it was scientifically discovered. It was known to be endogenously produced, I mean these things are minor details.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
#23980555 - 01/04/17 03:17 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'm here to discuss things, dog. Why is the rest not decisive to you?
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23980560 - 01/04/17 03:22 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I never heard that they actually found it in the human brain, I thought it was still just Strassman's theory. I know that the Japanese found it in the brain of a mouse , but that's not a person.
Lots of bro science going on, not a lot of real science. Not an easy thing to get funding for, or permission.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
#23980567 - 01/04/17 03:40 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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TempestDnB said: I never heard that they actually found it in the human brain, I thought it was still just Strassman's theory. I know that the Japanese found it in the brain of a mouse , but that's not a person.
Lots of bro science going on, not a lot of real science. Not an easy thing to get funding for, or permission.
DMT is produced in the human body (Brain) that is a undisputed fact.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
#23980572 - 01/04/17 04:01 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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This is how human knowledge works, we create maps that help us navigate the territory. We fail most of the time, but then sometimes we get something right and beautiful things start to happen  For me, there's no doubt psychedelic experiences facilitate a LOT (and I mean A LOT) being more spiritually aware, more aesthetically appreciative, etc, when you are sober. The rest of examples you said? Well...I don't think so, but I'm open to the ideas.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: thelastoneleft]
#23980844 - 01/04/17 09:05 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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thelastoneleft said:
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TempestDnB said: I never heard that they actually found it in the human brain, I thought it was still just Strassman's theory. I know that the Japanese found it in the brain of a mouse , but that's not a person.
Lots of bro science going on, not a lot of real science. Not an easy thing to get funding for, or permission.
DMT is produced in the human body (Brain) that is a undisputed fact.
I'll dispute that it's produced in the brain, show me a source for that 'fact.' We can detect it in our bloodstream, that doesn't mean it is produced in the brain or even makes it there in sufficient quantities.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
#23980965 - 01/04/17 10:05 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Exactly. Show me that paper.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
#23981002 - 01/04/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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-------------------- Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions. You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points. It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Psychonott] 2
#23981043 - 01/04/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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That is on rats as previously discussed, not humans. It's also about 5-MeO-DMT, not N,N,DMT, and it's saying that some ingested 5HTP is converted to 5-MeO-DMT, not that the 5-MeO-DMT is created endogenously.
edit: It's 5-HO-T, not 5HTP, so even less work is going on. Perhaps you could conclude that rats pineal glands methylate tryptamines, but this isn't enough to conclude that DMT is produced endogenously in the rat pineal, much less to extend that to humans.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
#23981113 - 01/04/17 11:13 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Boom. When people want to believe things, they will bend facts.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB] 1
#23981121 - 01/04/17 11:19 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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TempestDnB said: DMT in the brain facilitating spiritual experiences and dreaming? People speaking to entities external from themselves? Mushrooms coming from space? A lot of the myths surrounding the psychedelic experience are shared as fact even though much of it is unproven and even downright non sense. I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this. I think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma. This needs more discussion, so let us discuss
You are like, so edgy man
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#23981130 - 01/04/17 11:22 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'm just tired of reading bro facts, homie.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
#23981134 - 01/04/17 11:26 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I didn't even read that article just saw a closely related title and yes once they start going into the 100 spin off compounds I get lost
-------------------- Enlils true purpose is to get us off topic and to cast enough logical doubts so that outsiders viewing this would be more likely to side with his fake opinions rather than our or sometimes controlled opppsotions opinions. You see if you are too skilled at not falling for their traps and stating logically sound debunks then other accounts who purposefully agree with 90% of the truth join in and get the entire topic off the main points. It's their 1960s version of damage control and diversion but man it's painfully obvious in 2017
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: Psychonott]
#23981153 - 01/04/17 11:36 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Well don't tell use we're wrong and should have googled things if you can't even read the title of the paper then.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: TempestDnB]
#23981240 - 01/04/17 12:08 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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This is one of the most idiotic posts I think I have ever read. First off no one claims its spiritual significance as being "fact"...how could that possibly be a fact? I think you're just being stubborn and ignorant right now because everyone knows what is and isn't considered "spiritual" is completely subjective, there is no scientific evidence "proving" that it's spiritual because there obviously can't be.... We don't have the tools to even begin to measure such a thing.
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TempestDnB said: I think many people are confused by their experiences. I believe people come up with explanations that they truly believe to cope with this.
I think you're just projecting your own nonsensical proclivities onto others by assuming that everyone else is just as biased and irrational as you because you couldn't possibly imagine someone else coming to that kind of conclusion and so you see that overly subjective weakness in yourself. You're so overbearingly transparent.
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I think this takes away from the way people view the validity of psychedelic use and its benefits, and adds to the negative stigma. This needs more discussion, so let us discuss
No if anything you're the one trying to downplay the validity of the experience by being a reductionist because you like to appeal to others through that image, through that false comfort that you call rationalism because in your mind the most boring answer is by default the most plausible. Actually you probably don't even think that, I forgot that's just an image you're trying to portray to come off as strong minded so that you get respect from the tribe. You don't actually believe the garbage you're spewing your ego just wants to impress others with its resilience.
Please go and tell me how the "negative stigma" behind psychedelics has anything to do with entities or whether these things are real or not. You know nothing about psychedelic stigma clearly.
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Re: The myths and hearsay surrounding the psychedelic experience [Re: krypto2000]
#23981348 - 01/04/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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krypto2000 said: Well don't tell use we're wrong and should have googled things if you can't even read the title of the paper then.
Never said anyone was wrong just how easy it is to find academic articles around this topic
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