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Shaman- To be or not to be
#23979290 - 01/03/17 04:25 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Hey guys,
After reading this forum every now and then I decided is time for me to sign up for an account and try to see what you guys think of my experience.
First things first, a brief intro
I am Danny, a 32 years old male from Romania. I spent 29 years of my life as a complete atheist, in a continuous "believes war" with one of my younger brothers, the one that started with some NLP classes and ended up taking these psychedelics and turned into this "ultra spiritual being" telling us all kind of things that at the time I considered mambo-jambo... I work in the adult business and at 29 I decided I want to do something else and left to Netherlands where I lived for a year, during that year I was introduced to the drug world and realized I was lied about they really are, not only they were not as dangerous as I thought they actually led to me exploring them and learning new things about them. The NO2 and Ketamine were the first psychedelics I tried, with some cool things happening but nothing wow, they just made me want to look into this spiritual thing. I got back to my home country and start attending all kinds of classes with my brother, I learned to meditate and did achieve a "thirst" to know more. For a while, maybe 1 year and a half I haven't take anything but when I visited again Netherlands about 6 months ago, with two of the girls I work with I decided to try shrooms with them. It was out of this world, 3 persons connected in something I can only call ... "everything". From sexuality to other lives, from entities to discussions with our dead relatives, we have been through everything. It was the start of a journey for me, since then I took about 4 times shrooms and 2 times LSD, all the time connecting to the same entity, he refused to tell me his name but he was funny as hell. What is curious is that even if I took different substances he was there just as he said in the previous trip, he literally guided me to a lot of change in my life...
Now, let me get to what I need to talk to you guys about. So, we are three brothers and what he showed me is that all of us are shamans, he showed and explain in such way that it convinced me to find this path and see what is all about so about 2 months ago I went to this shamanic initiation with an old woman that is fabulous... I will get into that later, I already wrote so much... Anyway, I now have a "mesa" and know how to open my sacred space, etc. 2 days ago I am with my brothers, cousin and some friends and we decide to all do shrooms. For the first time, I start my trip with an intention, I say "I want clarity on what I need to do, I am lost".
So it all starts, we all realize we actually been in the same situation in other lives and we start tripping, for some reason as I was tripping I go and take the mesa and again as I was tripping I opened the sacred space. At that moment we opened our eyes and everyone wanted a smoke. We shared a smoke and then I felt in something I can only call "the center of creation", words can't define the beauty of what I seen but the trip was so intense I can hardly even make sense of it. Anyway, as I was in the middle of this trip laughing my ass off because this whole thing was giving me some new and crazy sensations it wakes me up, it literally throw me out of the trip saying "Don't forget, you launch the invitation, you are the shaman, go and make sure everyone is alright, we talk next time". As I wake up I get this feeling that I am responsible for everyone in the house so I took care that everyone was alright, gave them a lot of guidance with their trip, etc.... The night ended in a 2-3 hours laugh session, the year started amazing.
Now, I ask you guys, is this the shamanic call or am I going nuts? The fact is that while I am doing this, I act as a fuckin professional, I know things that I usually don't ...
Geez, I wrote a lot. Hope I find someone interested in my story, maybe I can get some help understanding better some of the aspects...
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
#23979351 - 01/03/17 04:50 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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ynnad said: Hey guys,
After reading this forum every now and then I decided is time for me to sign up for an account and try to see what you guys think of my experience.
First things first, a brief intro
I am Danny, a 32 years old male from Romania. I spent 29 years of my life as a complete atheist, in a continuous "believes war" with one of my younger brothers, the one that started with some NLP classes and ended up taking these psychedelics and turned into this "ultra spiritual being" telling us all kind of things that at the time I considered mambo-jambo... I work in the adult business and at 29 I decided I want to do something else and left to Netherlands where I lived for a year, during that year I was introduced to the drug world and realized I was lied about they really are, not only they were not as dangerous as I thought they actually led to me exploring them and learning new things about them. The NO2 and Ketamine were the first psychedelics I tried, with some cool things happening but nothing wow, they just made me want to look into this spiritual thing. I got back to my home country and start attending all kinds of classes with my brother, I learned to meditate and did achieve a "thirst" to know more. For a while, maybe 1 year and a half I haven't take anything but when I visited again Netherlands about 6 months ago, with two of the girls I work with I decided to try shrooms with them. It was out of this world, 3 persons connected in something I can only call ... "everything". From sexuality to other lives, from entities to discussions with our dead relatives, we have been through everything. It was the start of a journey for me, since then I took about 4 times shrooms and 2 times LSD, all the time connecting to the same entity, he refused to tell me his name but he was funny as hell. What is curious is that even if I took different substances he was there just as he said in the previous trip, he literally guided me to a lot of change in my life...
Now, let me get to what I need to talk to you guys about. So, we are three brothers and what he showed me is that all of us are shamans, he showed and explain in such way that it convinced me to find this path and see what is all about so about 2 months ago I went to this shamanic initiation with an old woman that is fabulous... I will get into that later, I already wrote so much... Anyway, I now have a "mesa" and know how to open my sacred space, etc. 2 days ago I am with my brothers, cousin and some friends and we decide to all do shrooms. For the first time, I start my trip with an intention, I say "I want clarity on what I need to do, I am lost".
So it all starts, we all realize we actually been in the same situation in other lives and we start tripping, for some reason as I was tripping I go and take the mesa and again as I was tripping I opened the sacred space. At that moment we opened our eyes and everyone wanted a smoke. We shared a smoke and then I felt in something I can only call "the center of creation", words can't define the beauty of what I seen but the trip was so intense I can hardly even make sense of it. Anyway, as I was in the middle of this trip laughing my ass off because this whole thing was giving me some new and crazy sensations it wakes me up, it literally throw me out of the trip saying "Don't forget, you launch the invitation, you are the shaman, go and make sure everyone is alright, we talk next time". As I wake up I get this feeling that I am responsible for everyone in the house so I took care that everyone was alright, gave them a lot of guidance with their trip, etc.... The night ended in a 2-3 hours laugh session, the year started amazing.
Now, I ask you guys, is this the shamanic call or am I going nuts? The fact is that while I am doing this, I act as a fuckin professional, I know things that I usually don't ...
Geez, I wrote a lot. Hope I find someone interested in my story, maybe I can get some help understanding better some of the aspects...
You seem like a chill dude. I can't read a wall of text anymore, can you condense it some?
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And imagine there was far more for me to write about )) The idea is that I am being attracted to this shamanic way in such strong ways that I can't ignore. I know that I have to travel, I feel the need to go to Peru and other places and I want to know if anyone else around here experienced things like these before and what the outcome was... I think that as condensed as I can go! )
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
#23979407 - 01/03/17 05:14 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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HI ynnad 
Glad you have joined, your story sounds very interesting! You say your in the adult business? You mean porn? Have you heard of Annie Sprinkle?

I love her, because she is extremely open minded. She also was a porn actress, and now post-porn lol and is all about using psychedelics and including sexuality and sensuality. She coined a term medibation 
But OK, first let me correct you about Ketamine. it isn't a psychedelic and you must be very careful with it! have not heard of NO2.
I love to question, myself, and others. I see questioning itself as a flowing learning process. it has no end and is cyclic and can seriously F off authoritarianism, because it demands structure and conformity (dig all this sht going on about 'fake news' for example )
About 'shamanism'----it is popularly usually accepted that shamanism is the archaic form of ecstasy, but this is not so. As Ward Rutherford reveals in his book Shamanism: Foundations of Magic:
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…”Since shamanism is characterized by ecstasy. Many scholars have tended to treat every form of ecstasy, particularly in an archaic or primitive environment as, ipso facto, shamanistic, ignoring the possibility that it may take more than one form.”
What is often ignored by the mostly male researchers in this are the ancient Goddess forms of ecstasy which did not need a shaman central figure. A good example are the Classical Dionysian Mysteries (before their Orphic reform) when all the celebrants would take the psychedelics and have orgiastic ritual.
Whereas shamanism as I have learn is quite anti-sexual. For instance the shamanism of the upper Amazon where ayahuasca is drank have a very strict diet and claim the 'spirits' tell them to be celibate. This is a reason many of the native youth there choose not to carry on this tradition, and it is usually westerners that go over there and do.
Same is so with the Mazatec curanderos (who take the magic mushrooms), from what I have read they also see sexuality as a hindrance when together with the psychedelic ritual.
So as I see it, you are free to question all of that. MAYBE you want to be a sexualized shaman. That is your freedom. You are your own recipe (always changing) like I am mine--all of us unique
I would very much be interested to hear about your experiences in more detail?
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
#23979417 - 01/03/17 05:17 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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I don't believe any "shaman" has a clue what they are talking about. Reality is a bizarre and absolutely indescribable experience and there is no way any human can attenpt to explain it to other humans. Spirit realms and similar theories are complete rubbish. After experiencing enlightenment while on DMT there is nothing any human being could say to me to alter my beliefs. I can guarantee that every "shaman" has their own interpretation and each will be different from one another and all of them are wrong
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: thehighking]
#23979480 - 01/03/17 05:37 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Be careful with entities you dont know their tue intentions. They can easily fool and surprise one.... Question it the best you can, test it.
-------------------- Im just a fictional character everything stated by me is purely fictional and simply lies, those who like me are liars who where bribed or blackmailed in some way Muahahaha
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: thehighking]
#23979545 - 01/03/17 05:53 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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@thehighing I actually do agree with you on what you are saying, at least on some level. What I meant by saying I was able to do things and what I knew was actually something that surprised me, I was able to "see" and "guide" whoever needed me in a very professional way. If I am going to call myself a "shaman" or "mutumba" or whatever is really not what I am after, but shamanism does have the most meaning to me so far...
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Wow, thanks for the info on Annie Sprinkle, didn't know about her but I am sure interested. Ok, about my job. I am not in the porn but in the camgirls area, I train, promote and help models that need me too (see, I was a shaman before I even knew it, lol).
Since you asked about the trips, let me tell you the Amsterdam one, which was ...WOW! So, the girls I was with were incredibly beautiful, a blonde and a brunette, both in their 20s, fun and smart. The blonde one was my GF at the moment and the brunette one was a friend of hers, one that I was very fond off, but I was keeping to myself this information... So, we take the srooms and lay in our bed talking, etc... my GF was holding me and the brunette one was laying on a sofa. As it started my girlfriend and I went to what I can call a "twin trip", we were holding face to face, our foreheads touched and we both confirmed after that we were seeing the same thing. She was this Egyptian goddess and a lot of people was making love all around her, she was powerful and beautiful, her hair was long and she was 20 times bigger than everyone around her. Right after we started seeing myself as a somewhat barbarian God, I was the same size only that the people on my side were working and committed to me. At this point we got back from the trip, only to realize that the brunette is now on the bed with us, we close our eyes and it transformed in something I don't think I will ever live again. Our souls were making love, it can't be described in words but I compared it to "1000 orgasms strength" on a conscious level. It lasted for about an hour but it felt like ages, all this time we knew what we were doing is sexual but for some reason, it had no human feelings attached to it, it was a pure bliss and joy. The fun part was that when we woke up, we were naked and in a position that can't be reproduced, it was like we were one, our legs, hands ... entire bodies were as mixed as some earphones in the pocket. ( English is not my main language so excuse some of the expressions I use if they don't sound right) The night ended with laughs and a lot of knowledge, for me it was the first and most intense trip so far. Unfortunately, due to the changes I made, me and my GF are no longer together ( once the trip was over she accused me of giving her shrooms to bang the brunette too, lol), but I have no problem with it, that night was the start of a beautiful journey.
P.S. I don't use Keta, it was a one-time thing. NO2 is the laughing gas, those balloons gave me some very strong trips. Too short though...
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Yeah, I know. This one was a good one though, fixed so much shit in my life... literally, 30 years of living solved in a few sessions. I don't know if I will see him again, but he is one of the good ones, I know it for sure!
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
#23979602 - 01/03/17 06:15 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Just be careful.... May you continue to have great enlightenment!!!
-------------------- Im just a fictional character everything stated by me is purely fictional and simply lies, those who like me are liars who where bribed or blackmailed in some way Muahahaha
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: zzripz]
#23980407 - 01/04/17 12:57 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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zzripz said: HI ynnad 
Glad you have joined, your story sounds very interesting! You say your in the adult business? You mean porn? Have you heard of Annie Sprinkle?

I love her, because she is extremely open minded. She also was a porn actress, and now post-porn lol and is all about using psychedelics and including sexuality and sensuality. She coined a term medibation 
But OK, first let me correct you about Ketamine. it isn't a psychedelic and you must be very careful with it! have not heard of NO2.
I love to question, myself, and others. I see questioning itself as a flowing learning process. it has no end and is cyclic and can seriously F off authoritarianism, because it demands structure and conformity (dig all this sht going on about 'fake news' for example )
About 'shamanism'----it is popularly usually accepted that shamanism is the archaic form of ecstasy, but this is not so. As Ward Rutherford reveals in his book Shamanism: Foundations of Magic:
Quote:
…”Since shamanism is characterized by ecstasy. Many scholars have tended to treat every form of ecstasy, particularly in an archaic or primitive environment as, ipso facto, shamanistic, ignoring the possibility that it may take more than one form.”
What is often ignored by the mostly male researchers in this are the ancient Goddess forms of ecstasy which did not need a shaman central figure. A good example are the Classical Dionysian Mysteries (before their Orphic reform) when all the celebrants would take the psychedelics and have orgiastic ritual.
Whereas shamanism as I have learn is quite anti-sexual. For instance the shamanism of the upper Amazon where ayahuasca is drank have a very strict diet and claim the 'spirits' tell them to be celibate. This is a reason many of the native youth there choose not to carry on this tradition, and it is usually westerners that go over there and do.
Same is so with the Mazatec curanderos (who take the magic mushrooms), from what I have read they also see sexuality as a hindrance when together with the psychedelic ritual.
So as I see it, you are free to question all of that. MAYBE you want to be a sexualized shaman. That is your freedom. You are your own recipe (always changing) like I am mine--all of us unique
I would very much be interested to hear about your experiences in more detail?
I think you ignore the fact that a big reason sex is considered a hindrance toward spiritual awareness in many traditions, is because of its propensity to make man unconscious. If you can have sex conciously (and you will see in that quote you posted, she mentions conscious breathing) then perhaps it can be a powerful ally. But you have to recognize many westerners (and people of other parts of the world also) are addicted to sexual stimulation and it becomes a narcotic in many ways similar to heroin or other drugs. It's so pleasurable that people simply go to sleep spiritually.
If you can keep your mind focused and your intention pure, have all the sex you want but if your mind is constantly being distracted by sexual thoughts and images then I think its a problem. How can you accomplish anything of value while distracted?
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: thehighking]
#23980410 - 01/04/17 12:59 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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thehighking said: I don't believe any "shaman" has a clue what they are talking about. Reality is a bizarre and absolutely indescribable experience and there is no way any human can attenpt to explain it to other humans. Spirit realms and similar theories are complete rubbish. After experiencing enlightenment while on DMT there is nothing any human being could say to me to alter my beliefs. I can guarantee that every "shaman" has their own interpretation and each will be different from one another and all of them are wrong
Shaman do have a clue, at least the ones who can perform successful healings. THe goal of a shaman isn't necesary to explain reality, but to give people the healing they need when they are too weak to find it themselves. Of course there are phony or just plain bad shaman but shamanism is a real art, that much I can tell you.
-------------------- The path of the herbalist is to open ourselves to nature in an innocent and pure way. SHe in turn will open her bounty and reward us with many valuable secrets. May the earth bless you. - Michael Tierra
Edited by Peyote Road (01/04/17 01:00 AM)
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: thehighking]
#23980573 - 01/04/17 04:02 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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thehighking said: I don't believe any "shaman" has a clue what they are talking about. Reality is a bizarre and absolutely indescribable experience and there is no way any human can attenpt to explain it to other humans. Spirit realms and similar theories are complete rubbish. After experiencing enlightenment while on DMT there is nothing any human being could say to me to alter my beliefs. I can guarantee that every "shaman" has their own interpretation and each will be different from one another and all of them are wrong
Have you shared anywhere a report about your DMT experience? I would love to read or hear it.
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Peyote Road]
#23981755 - 01/04/17 03:45 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Peyote Road said: Shaman do have a clue, at least the ones who can perform successful healings. THe goal of a shaman isn't necesary to explain reality, but to give people the healing they need when they are too weak to find it themselves. Of course there are phony or just plain bad shaman but shamanism is a real art, that much I can tell you.
That's one goal. Another is to guide the culture away from suffering. It's a lot of responsibility.
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
#23982157 - 01/04/17 06:19 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I recognise your story bro, it totally sounds like the call of the shaman to me.
Do note that, if true, that means you are now in the 1% of the population who has seen beyond and knows the truth about the material world.
You will always be outside of society! But, if that does not scare you and you can even find yourself embracing it, you may be a shaman.
A fuckton of that 1% is on the Shroomery so enjoy your time here! I think you will fit in very well if your OP is an accurate description of you.
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
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Question tho: when you were an atheist, did you nonetheless have a strong sense that something wasn't right?
Like when people said that they believed that the brain creates consciousness, did you always think that sounded a bit weird?
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: viktor]
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Good questions viktor. Let's here some truth.
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Wow, I actually get replies and this can only make me happy. I don't mind being part of those 1% since during my entire life I never gave a flying f ... about how "the society" sees m. I ran away from home at 12, dropped from high school and actually worked my way through life in a manner that I have seen fit for me, I was called "the black sheep of the family" and so on, I am used to being judged.
Ok now, about the atheist part. Truth to be told I don't think "atheist" is the right word, most of my life I was against all religion and indoctrination, my belief always was that we are part of something bigger than everything humans "discovered" so far but never really looked into consciousness and stuff, growing up as I did was taking too much of my focus. I did share a lot of conversations over visions, aliens, universe, etc ...
One thing that really makes me believe this calling is the fact that growing up I had two particular interests, aliens and native Americans. I have read on Daniken when I was 10 years old and Winnetou, The Last Mohican and other indian stories became my favorites, always been attracted to their culture. What made me smile was the fact that at the shamanism class I felt very good because of this knowledge I got as a kid.
One more fun part, at this last trip we had a few days ago when the shroom asked me to get my brother in the room with me and my cousin (girl) I was seeing her as an old indian woman and me and my brother as these big ass indians and our room was giving us the feeling that we were in an indian tent, one that we have been before, all 3 of us had strong deja-vus on the situation and when the rest of the people joined the room, we literaly felt like we have done this in a previous life or something...
Hope what I say makes sense...
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
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It sounds like you got a sense of the eternal. Maybe because the shaman is an ancient archetype. It sounds very exciting but you need more knowledge I think.
You should really study these cultures and their myths and look for meaning about those value those religions had.
Your values must be centered or else you will manifest ugliness and lies. You have to be true to your self and your purpose and regard it as sacred and bear the responsibility that lies within the heart of a shaman's promise. It is by no means to be taken lightly and can be very dangerous if handled carelessly. For yourself and others.
So, tread rightly into that which you don't understand. Make sure you are pure of motivation. It's a highly atypical path. That can't be underestimated in its ability to be dangerous.
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Well, one thing is for sure, this year I have planned to visit Mexico and Peru, I actually intend to stay in the jungle for a couple of months so I can assure you I am doing my homework properly. I know I am not yet prepared and have a long distance to enough knowledge to actually be able to handle this.
We actually had a huge laugh last time with this shamanistic thing when we realised a shaman is able to maintain control over his trip while I go with it in the speed of light ) Yeah, I know ..more things to learn, lucky for me I don't want this just because "is cool and it sounds catchy", this thing has actually start giving my life a purpose, one that I can totally relate with.
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
#23982439 - 01/04/17 08:19 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I feel a new sense of meaning myself. What do you think of this?
He's the closest to a holy man as I can think of.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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No opinion...Priest?
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bigdoodie
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
#23991255 - 01/07/17 10:57 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Everyone's reality is different but the only one that any of us can possibly have in common is God, which is that exactly-reality, the supreme reality. What we believe is what creates our reality, so if there is objective "truth" to be found, then our reality is warped, but that does not mean it is a bad thing, it is okay to believe in illusions and lies as long as we find within those things, a reason to live, which is the only thing that really matters yes?
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: bigdoodie]
#23998404 - 01/10/17 02:30 PM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I would say not quite.
Truth trumps all. If you find true meaning in your life, that is the only chance to alleviate suffering.
If you find false ones, you can end up causing suffering to others as well as yourself.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Senor_Doobie
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Also, halucinations are not necessarily always lies. They could be manifestations of the unconscious mind. Similar to what we see in our dreams.
They can help us if we understand them properly. But to do so takes great wisdom.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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Life is all about plan and intention. In the shamanic realms my experience is to drop intention. Those worlds just play with our intention so we drop that.
Finding meaning is an intention. That's more for the logical world we live in to hunt, gather, build and live in. It's like art in the spirit realms. Art can't really have intention. Provoke thought, disgust, love or whatever it's all about altering intention.
Life rarely works out the way we intend it to. Kinda gotta go with the flow and don't try to hard at one thing. Just balance life and peace seems to dominate. When ever I try to force peace it just gets messy and I fail at my intention.
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Morel Guy]
#24013722 - 01/16/17 03:12 AM (7 years, 14 days ago) |
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Quote:
ynnad said: And imagine there was far more for me to write about )) The idea is that I am being attracted to this shamanic way in such strong ways that I can't ignore. I know that I have to travel, I feel the need to go to Peru and other places and I want to know if anyone else around here experienced things like these before and what the outcome was... I think that as condensed as I can go! )
Follow the path.
The spiritual is clothed differently for every perceiver for the sole fact that it isn't material permanence. It doesn't make it less so. Instead it makes it highly personal, attuned to perfect relevance.
If you like travelling take the leap.
You might want to consider that it's not 'you' who is the shaman, but the spirit or channel through which you are utilising. Knosis of the Sonship accommodates for the notion that everyone is one anyways, and so, as a fragment of all, you are certainly a 'shaman' - and everything else for that matter. From experience, we seem to share all minds of man.
The topic reminders me of the book - The Alchemist
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Morel Guy]
#24017318 - 01/17/17 01:00 PM (7 years, 13 days ago) |
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Morel Guy said: Life is all about plan and intention. In the shamanic realms my experience is to drop intention. Those worlds just play with our intention so we drop that.
Finding meaning is an intention. That's more for the logical world we live in to hunt, gather, build and live in. It's like art in the spirit realms. Art can't really have intention. Provoke thought, disgust, love or whatever it's all about altering intention.
Life rarely works out the way we intend it to. Kinda gotta go with the flow and don't try to hard at one thing. Just balance life and peace seems to dominate. When ever I try to force peace it just gets messy and I fail at my intention.
The world of logic needs to be contended with. It's a big world, and our ability to use it is part of our nature. Don't discard it. It is too valuable.
Intention governs our every action. To dismiss it is impossible.
Meaning is what matters. If you are aware of your true meaning, your intentions are clear. If you are mindful of your intentions, your actions can move toward helping others.
The ability to reason can keep us from our meaning. However, if you are aware of your meaning, you can use reasoning effectively.
Meaning is already known. All that we can do is hope to discover that knowledge and keep it present in our thoughts and actions.
-------------------- "America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat “Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance. The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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i dont know what shaman doing expet using dark spirits(demons) and stuff. i just know you risking your afterlife be good
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: mitmitice1]
#24031485 - 01/22/17 06:45 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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This guy is a legitimate master ayahuasca shaman of 12 years. He talks about what a calling is like and what it is like to be trained as a real shaman, it is a very very interesting talk and I suggest everyone check it out!
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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: xzylocybin]
#24032187 - 01/22/17 11:14 PM (7 years, 7 days ago) |
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I like to think it all depends if you can take psychedelics the correct way, then you can go into the void of spirit.
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