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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23984924 - 01/05/17 07:21 PM (7 years, 25 days ago)

No opinion...Priest?


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: ynnad]
    #23991255 - 01/07/17 10:57 PM (7 years, 22 days ago)

Everyone's reality is different but the only one that any of us can possibly have in common is God, which is that exactly-reality, the supreme reality. What we believe is what creates our reality, so if there is objective "truth" to be found, then our reality is warped, but that does not mean it is a bad thing, it is okay to believe in illusions and lies as long as we find within those things, a reason to live, which is the only thing that really matters yes?


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: bigdoodie]
    #23998404 - 01/10/17 02:30 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

I would say not quite. 

Truth trumps all.  If you find true meaning in your life, that is the only chance to alleviate suffering.

If you find false ones, you can end up causing suffering to others as well as yourself.


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #23998862 - 01/10/17 05:30 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Also, halucinations are not necessarily always lies.  They could be manifestations of the unconscious mind.  Similar to what we see in our dreams.

They can help us if we understand them properly.  But to do so takes great wisdom.


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24012607 - 01/15/17 04:48 PM (7 years, 15 days ago)

Life is all about plan and intention.  In the shamanic realms my experience is to drop intention.  Those worlds just play with our intention so we drop that.

Finding meaning is an intention.  That's more for the logical world we live in to hunt, gather, build and live in.  It's like art in the spirit realms.  Art can't really have intention.  Provoke thought, disgust, love or whatever it's all about altering intention.

Life rarely works out the way we intend it to.  Kinda gotta go with the flow and don't try to hard at one thing.  Just balance life and peace seems to dominate.  When ever I try to force  peace it just gets messy and I fail at my intention.


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24013722 - 01/16/17 03:12 AM (7 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

ynnad said:
And imagine there was far more for me to write about :smile:)) The idea is that I am being attracted to this shamanic way in such strong ways that I can't ignore. I know that I have to travel, I feel the need to go to Peru and other places and I want to know if anyone else around here experienced things like these before and what the outcome was... I think that as condensed as I can go! :smile:)




Follow the path.

The spiritual is clothed differently for every perceiver for the sole fact that it isn't material permanence.  It doesn't make it less so.  Instead it makes it highly personal, attuned to perfect relevance.

If you like travelling take the leap.

You might want to consider that it's not 'you' who is the shaman, but the spirit or channel through which you are utilising.  Knosis of the Sonship accommodates for the notion that everyone is one anyways, and so, as a fragment of all, you are certainly a 'shaman' - and everything else for that matter.  From experience, we seem to share all minds of man.

The topic reminders me of the book - The Alchemist


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Morel Guy]
    #24017318 - 01/17/17 01:00 PM (7 years, 13 days ago)

Quote:

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Life is all about plan and intention.  In the shamanic realms my experience is to drop intention.  Those worlds just play with our intention so we drop that.

Finding meaning is an intention.  That's more for the logical world we live in to hunt, gather, build and live in.  It's like art in the spirit realms.  Art can't really have intention.  Provoke thought, disgust, love or whatever it's all about altering intention.

Life rarely works out the way we intend it to.  Kinda gotta go with the flow and don't try to hard at one thing.  Just balance life and peace seems to dominate.  When ever I try to force  peace it just gets messy and I fail at my intention.




The world of logic needs to be contended with.  It's a big world, and our ability to use it is part of our nature.  Don't discard it.  It is too valuable.

Intention governs our every action.  To dismiss it is impossible.

Meaning is what matters.  If you are aware of your true meaning, your intentions are clear.  If you are mindful of your intentions, your actions can move toward helping others.

The ability to reason can keep us from our meaning.  However, if you are aware of your meaning, you can use reasoning effectively. 

Meaning is already known.  All that we can do is hope to discover that knowledge and keep it present in our thoughts and actions.


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“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.”  -- Thomas Jefferson

The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.

The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #24029867 - 01/22/17 08:30 AM (7 years, 8 days ago)

i dont know what shaman doing expet using dark spirits(demons) and stuff.
i just know you risking your afterlife be good


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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: mitmitice1]
    #24031485 - 01/22/17 06:45 PM (7 years, 8 days ago)

This guy is a legitimate master ayahuasca shaman of 12 years. He talks about what a calling is like and what it is like to be trained as a real shaman, it is a very very interesting talk and I suggest everyone check it out!






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Re: Shaman- To be or not to be [Re: xzylocybin]
    #24032187 - 01/22/17 11:14 PM (7 years, 7 days ago)

I like to think it all depends if you can take psychedelics the correct way, then you can go into the void of spirit.


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