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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: r.lutece]
#23978667 - 01/03/17 12:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah a slaughter house is way too much. Even for a lot of adults who have grown up on small farms.
The animals I saw slaughtered while growing up were all done as a single animal, not 100s a minute. And were all preformed by hand.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Supachopped719]
#23978737 - 01/03/17 12:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Supachopped719] 2
#23978755 - 01/03/17 12:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are many cultures around the world where children of all ages are exposed to catching killing and butchering of animals, in some cultures when and how are linked to rites of passage. Where the cycle of life and the importance of each animal is closely observed generally you find much more sustainable and ethical behavior. The West is generally divorced from the reality of the process, this leads to a collective head in the sand approach which is dangerous and ultimately Unsustainable. Education can't be a bad thing right? Surely done with the right context and appreciating the subtleties of children introducing them to the truth of what they are eating is a fundamental responsibility imo.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: pineninja]
#23978829 - 01/03/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm all for more education and sustainability.
Being said the little button I was as an elementary child, and most of the children I've known, would not have done well with seeing an animal slaughtered. I mean I saw dead animals and butcher work and watched my dad thwack fish and mice to death but the idea of "every time you eat a hamburger it's because they murdered a cow like this for you you selfish cunt" would have probably fucked me up right bad.
Alot of the kids I've known would just be too sheltered to deal with seeing an animal die like that.
Perhaps start small and build as they age would be the best way to do it. Kinda like how they do with sex ed.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23978856 - 01/03/17 01:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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the idea of "every time you eat a hamburger it's because they murdered a cow like this for you you selfish cunt" would have probably fucked me up right bad.
that could be good tho, kids would eat meat less, and value it more
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23978865 - 01/03/17 01:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's right, you say "fucked up" I say fully informed.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23978872 - 01/03/17 01:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Possibly. It has to be done carefully. Like I had really bad self worth issues. When I was 9 I stopped eating and lived on ensure nutritional drinks for most of the school year. I also missed most of the school year because I always had panic attacks around lunch time.
There should be opt out procedures like there is in sex ed.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23978875 - 01/03/17 01:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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And I'm hardly the only kid that's had bad experiences and obvious psychological issues, so I'm saying that definitely needs to be taken into account.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23978887 - 01/03/17 01:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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You should only be able to opt out if you don't eat meator wanna have sex
Its the clash of what is normalized as compared to the actual reality, it's never going to be easy to redress the problem this far down the road but a cultural lack of honesty is what it has taken to get here so we could start with being more open.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23978896 - 01/03/17 01:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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All the field trips I went on in school required me to get a permission slip signed by a parent/guardian beforehand. I know this because I had shit grades once and the teacher wanted my parents to sign a report card in addition to the permission slip in order to go on a field trip.
I didn't show my mom my shit grades out of fear. So I had to sit and watch reading rainbow all day with the other kids who didn't go on the trip.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: pineninja]
#23978920 - 01/03/17 01:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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If I remember correctly there was a certain age you could not opt out of sex ed. This could be applied here too. As an older teenager you're basically a young adult and you should not only understand these things but also understand how to deal with encountering them.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: wakeINpeople]
#23978991 - 01/03/17 02:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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wakeINpeople said: Anyone can answer, but I'd like to hear form actual parents, especially mothers.
We are told that we are omnivores.
If schools decided to start showing kids where our current food sources come from by taking kids on field trips to crop fields, orchards and gardens to show them the plant foods.....
....and then field trips to the livestock fields and slaughterhouses to show them where our meat sources come from....
Would you have a problem with either one? Which one specifically and why? And at what age would it be ok, if you feel it is ok?
Also, would you let them partake in both the picking of the fruit and the slaughter of an animal while on the field trip, or just allow them to watch? Why or why not?
This should be interesting.....
The Millenials desperately need to toughen up. I would support the slaughterhouse visit. Shit they should be sent to a body farm...
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: wakeINpeople]
#23979275 - 01/03/17 04:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting answers from everyone....thanks.
So for those who think that it would be better to let the kid do it personally in nature rather than to go to a high-volume slaughterhouse, what would be the best way to get kids in touch with killing animals, if the schools wanted to start teaching EXACTLY how food gets on the plate?
Should we start collectively encouraging that every parent take their kid out and show them how to hunt? Should we allow the schools to do it? Will we be out of balance and diseased as a species until we do that? Will that solve our problems?
I think that most of us are kept away from it deliberately for a very intense personal reason, and it's the same exact reason as why most young kids will start to cry when they see someone hurting an animal.
Many young kids are sad, scared, and don't want to shoot the deer the first time they were taught to hunt. Usually the parent and grandparent who both grew up hunting stand there and just say "go on, it's alright", completely ignoring the childs gut instinct to say no.
As soon as animals in nature get off of the mothers breast milk, they start teaching their young how to capture their own food, whether it be plants or animals, which they usually learn in a year, and they do it with no remorse. So should we start showing all children to kill at 3 and 4 years old, after they are off the breast milk?
Something seems very off here, and I think it's screwing up the whole world and creating all kinds of other side-branching problems that we focus on, instead of focusing on the main problem.....
....and then there's that whole no claws, flat tooth, slow as fuck thing that us humans have going on.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: wakeINpeople]
#23979295 - 01/03/17 04:27 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have never slaughtered an animal. I am involved in raising goats and have eat'n some that I raised. I wouldn't want to mess up processing so leave it to the pros.
I care about dogs more than people. I worry more about putting a dog down than a goat. A goat either dies on their own, gets the needle or becomes dinner.
I don't owe goats what I owe emotionally to my dogs. The goats get a great life and are natural prey. They can be a pain in the ass and never really love a human nor trust us.
I have no interest in eating horse either. I feel every animal has purpose and it's not to be messed with. I require very little to live and take what I use, no more.
I feel bad for the critters but there is no improving. There is nothing else that can be done. We aren't raising goats for their retirement and taking us and life for granted. Maybe they will be better off next life.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Morel Guy]
#23979501 - 01/03/17 05:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I helped my Dad kill and slaughter animals, along with various people that hunted deer, and clean fish. Yeah it's a bit awkward at first, but it's a part of nature and the cycle of life. Not all butchers and meat processing plants are bad, and not all are raised in factory farms. I've also milked animals and learned a lot of gardening and farming, all of which was essential information.
Bottom line, kids aren't nearly as fragile as we think.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: daytripper05]
#23979623 - 01/03/17 06:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly we're the ones that make them fragile. School is caught in a weird crossroads and trying to teach children what their parents should teach them while at the same time not being a parent.
That's the biggest reason I don't like the idea. School isn't individual focused and doesn't take into account how best it is to introduce potentially sensitive concepts into a childs life.
There's alot of things parents should teach their kids and gets left up to school and the internet... And I think that could be why modern teens have such screwed up ideas on how alot of the real world works.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23979767 - 01/03/17 07:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Slaughterhouse? Anything under 13 or 12 is unacceptable imo. Orchards? fuck bring them in when their in kindergarden
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23979784 - 01/03/17 07:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Depends on the teacher and school. My teachers never got very personal but one or two talked about drugs.
The world is just more sensative these days. Not all parents agree and schools want order.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Morel Guy]
#23979809 - 01/03/17 07:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I will never have kids. But if i did and they were properly supervised I would have no problem with it. Many kids are taught to hunt and skin animals at very young ages
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23979821 - 01/03/17 07:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm for the idea of kids knowing where their food comes from. But going to a slaughterhouse at age 5 or 6 is the sort of thing that would turn a kid vegan for life. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing, but they should probably be a little older. It's not like hunting where you're killing an animal humanely, slaughterhouses are full of torture and a life of misery for the animals and it's just bad juju all around.
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