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connectedcosmos
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Etoliation on peyote
#23978221 - 01/03/17 09:20 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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Now I'm sure that I could use the search engine and find some answers out or read loph growers unite but I was gonna try this first
I've had this peyote for almost a year now , it's done really good up until winter hit in my area im in zone 6a USA and it's started to etoliate. I have moved it around various spots givin it more indirect light and less light kinda trying to experiment with it just to see if I could stop the etoliation, in the summer it did good outside but ever since I brought it inside it's just getting skinny and light green...
Question is any tips on how to stop the etoliation? Or is this dude a gonner? Time to chop em up?
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Bump. I am also curious. My guess would be aggressive feeding. But I do not know and would like to.
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Re: Etoliation on peyote [Re: Morel Guy]
#23978387 - 01/03/17 10:29 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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cold makes cactii go dormant i believe, put it in the fridge
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connectedcosmos
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Lol the fridge? That doesn't seem sound but I may do that Pretty desperate lol I've got organic succulent fertiliZer 2- 7- 7 that says spray lightly in winter, I have not done that yet though
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not sure what the excact temperature is to make it go dormant i heard it's around 50 f for extend period of time (some days i guess)
a rain proof (probably wanna keep it well ventilated) location outside might do it too
or just graft the parts that didn't got fat
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Quote:
connectedcosmos said:
 
Now I'm sure that I could use the search engine and find some answers out or read loph growers unite but I was gonna try this first
I've had this peyote for almost a year now , it's done really good up until winter hit in my area im in zone 6a USA and it's started to etoliate. I have moved it around various spots givin it more indirect light and less light kinda trying to experiment with it just to see if I could stop the etoliation, in the summer it did good outside but ever since I brought it inside it's just getting skinny and light green...
Question is any tips on how to stop the etoliation? Or is this dude a gonner? Time to chop em up?
Did you stop watering once dormancy happened? If it continues to grow with out strong light it will etiolate... From what I gather, stop watering and feeding so it can truly go dormant and stop growth.
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With trichs, I would water a little once a month in the slow season. Those are fast growing compared to buttons and I would only see one inch in the cold winter. Sometimes 8 inches in the warm season.
Def stop feeding and watering before they rot. Wish I could grow again.
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connectedcosmos
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Yeah I stopped water trying to initiate it into dormancy back when I brought it inside.. do i need like high quality lights? Or do i need to put them in less light? There by a window currently
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Buttons like shaded light. Shade clothe is cheap.
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Re: Etoliation on peyote [Re: Morel Guy]
#23979343 - 01/03/17 04:47 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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It's not like you have to eat them just because they are etoliated. As far as I know it just makes them ugly. Sounds to me like you didn't properly let them go dormant. No food and precious little water, only when they start to shrivel. Temperature is important too, if it's in too cool a cool spot and still gets good or vise-versa it'll etoliate. You need to toughen those plants up. I've seen wild peyote that turn blue in the winter, pretty cool.
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connectedcosmos
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Mine was turning purple from direct sun in the summer but yeah I think i just watered it to late into the season and yeah I dont wanna eat it cause it's most likely not even enough for a trip at all I guess i just need to tough in him up.. hopefully he pulls around this next summer
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Dont put that plant in the fuckin fridge man!
Your problem is dormancy. DO NOT HEAVILY FEED. In fact,dont feed at all. I dont water at all in winter except on the odd occasion when i feel they need it.
The key is preparation. Stop fertilizing long before you want it to slow down growth. Like at least a few weeks before winter then stop watering all together when the temps drop.
I was given these guys to try and save. Grafted one already.

It'll be fine man. Don't fuck with it, just get it somewhere the soil caan dry out and let it be.
Edited by Cactiphile (01/03/17 06:54 PM)
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connectedcosmos
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Thanks Australian dream, yeah lmao I thought about the fridge and that is a horrible idea it could mold and get moisture on it and it needs to be dry as can be, so in the summer should i just ease it into the outside again? And feed and water only once it's shriveled? And dammmnnni guess mine isn't as bad as the one you posted .. how you gonna fix that?
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The cold in the fridge might even just kill it.
Yea, just gradually increase the amount of light its getting. Water once there is no fear of frost, just a little bit at first till you see its starting to grow.
I grafted that little red one in the bottom left. Came up a treat.

Ill end up grafting all of them once i get some more stock. Just leave the bottoms to callous and see what happens... I got plenty of pere so i may experiment with some areola grafts.
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Hmmmm should i I try to graft some of my buttons? I've never grafted and I've got a cacti succulent book that details how to do it and stuff ? I mean would it stop the etoliation? Grafting stock that I would be using would be a trichocerus macrogonus
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It would not stop it but section it off so you have a anicely grafted button and a stump that might reshoot. Graft it if you want to and you feel confident.
but I would really just leave it man. It'll be fine. To much care and worrying can be the death of these little guys.
Theres plenty of info about grafting out there. I do have a little grafting write up I've been meaning to post if you decide to go the other way. But no pics yet.
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I find buttons super easy to graft, especially the small ones. They are the perfect size for grafting.
I have a 3-inch caespitosa clump on my nightstand, some of the smaller heads look like little peyote fingers they are so etoliated.
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Give that poor guy some love man...
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I know a lot have already replied but I will share my experience too; both lophs and trichos etoliate when a simulated dormancy is entered and the following conditions aren't met. The soil isn't dry enough when put to rest. The light is too weak and the previous condition was not met. The temperature is close to room temperature and a proper dormancy is not entered.
If people have to overwinter inside their homes, there's likely not a place to meet the temperature requirements. In this instance I would reccomend having a good light source for them, let them go without water (if past the age of one year or vulnerable infancy). When they are sufficiently dry and with perhaps some wrinkles, they can be placed somewhere with weaker light for a month to rest and should not etoiliate because they're not growing at a rate in which it can occur. Once they've had that month of rest, you could put them back under the light source for another month with or without water to prep them for spring.
Eventually the etoliation will correct itself and they will become more globular. Some genetic variation does occur leaving some buttons more predisposed to this stretching as it is a normal function for them to grow up and break the surface of the soil after having been covered completely in nature.
I had one lil friend amongst a group stretch while the rest remained and after a great year of growth he's chilled out a bit and looks a lot more normal.
If your babies are young, consider keeping them in a plastic container so that with dryer soil, the humidity is still higher. It will help them cope.
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