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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23980937 - 01/04/17 09:54 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'd let my 6 year old handle heavy machinery under supervision of course.
I was letting my 2 year old shoot my pellet gun with me this summer(I held it of course). I had my first swiss army knife before I was 4, never once cut myself.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23980948 - 01/04/17 09:59 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Thought it was pretty obvious I went to an over the top extreme assumption because you did.
Anyway, on my absolute most serious note, for all fucks sake, yes. Take them on nature trips in preschool. Take them to zoos and orchards and farms and historical parks and teach them about life. I feel like those real world aspects are seriously lacking in modern school children and that's what really concerns me.
If you want to start with taking them to state parks and petting zoos and pulling carrots at a local farm in elementary sschool and then build up to animal butchery in middle/high school I think that could be a good idea.
I do not think taking children to a slaughter house without a solid foundation (which many children do not have) is a good idea.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23980957 - 01/04/17 10:01 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Now putting children in a slaughter house on the other hand...
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I had a bow arrow, multiple bb/pellet guns, pocket knives, tractor, 4 wheeler, etc all as a kid. I seriously had a bb gun from as early as I can remember. I cut myself one time, and my dad took my knife away and said "told you so". Made me learn real quick because I wanted my knife back. Never had any incidents with my guns though. Never wrecked my 4wheeler and always wore a helmet, but other than that, I had the keys and rode it wherever/whenever I wanted.
I use to go out in the woods too, unsupervised for hours. Never got lost and just had to be back by dark. I'm 30 and have a 15 year old brother. His generation is totally different and he has a different dad. He cried the first time I made him pee outside. The kids today are most definitely fragile little snowflakes.
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XLCaps said: I'd let my 6 year old handle heavy machinery under supervision of course.
I was letting my 2 year old shoot my pellet gun with me this summer(I held it of course). I had my first swiss army knife before I was 4, never once cut myself.
I had my first swiss army knife when I was about 5-6. Inherited my brothers butterfly knife at 8.
...which possibly turned out to not be a totally good idea as I started purposely cutting myself with it when I was 10. But then it might not of really made a difference. It's not like I couldn't have used a kitchen knife. And then my dumb little ass probs woulda got salmonella or some shit
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: daytripper05]
#23980962 - 01/04/17 10:02 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23980993 - 01/04/17 10:16 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I'm concerned about little shits like me that didn't have that good foundation, didn't have a good dose of parental discretion and had trauma at a young age.
I could easily accuse you guys of being "sheltered" for not being aware of the fact that it can be damaging and especially so when a kid is already psychologically damaged. I've been around other kids that would torture and kill peoples pets. I've been around kids that have no understanding of the value of life and almost no empathy. So no I don't think it's a good idea to just shuttle each and every little 6yr old off to watch an animal get slaughtered and butchered.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23981042 - 01/04/17 10:36 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Thought it was pretty obvious I went to an over the top extreme assumption because you did.
so you're was predictive retardation, you knew I would eventually post here so you decided to get all retarded before I even posted

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I do not think taking children to a slaughter house without a solid foundation (which many children do not have) is a good idea.
no one is talking about putting a bolt gun in their hands and making them work the killing floor at 6 years old... except you, you seem to believe this is what people are advocating
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23981047 - 01/04/17 10:37 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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What if they get to take home the cow?
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The first time I watched an animal get slaughtered was when I was about 8 years old. I saw the insides and everything. I was fascinated by it. Then I went on an animal torturing spree.
If I had children I would not expose them to these types of things as I am afraid they might inherit that same disgusting sickness that I had. Not forever though. Just not at a very young age.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23981118 - 01/04/17 11:16 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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no one is talking about putting a bolt gun in their hands and making them work the killing floor at 6 years old... except you, you seem to believe this is what people are advocating
OP actually specifically asked that. Or specifically if they should be allowed to take part in the slaughter.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23981189 - 01/04/17 11:49 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: Thought it was pretty obvious I went to an over the top extreme assumption because you did.
so you're was predictive retardation, you knew I would eventually post here so you decided to get all retarded before I even posted

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CookieCrumbs said: I dunno why you have to go over to the far retard left every time I try to suggest we have discretion.
I was just following your lead or have you forgotten little timmy that's being forced to watch animals get slaughtered but has to wear a helmet.
did you read these posts?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23977890#23977890 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23977893#23977893 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23977903#23977903
I meant what I said in those prior posts but that was just partial and ineffective communication, the kind of retarded that comes with shit sleep and not enough pain killers.
Though it irritated me that you took that to mean we should bubble wrap our children tho.
I'm for a good pop on the ass when the kid gets out of hand, I'm for personal responsibility, I'm for exploring and playing and getting hurt and learning as that is what children of all mammalian species do in order to grow into successful adults. The biggest point I was trying (and apparently failing) to make is that if we are to do such a system of education it has to be done carefully and taking into account the variety of backgrounds children come from and include a steady step-by-step build up over years.
And that schools generally suck at teaching kids important life things so unless the education system gets revamped I think a nationwide undertaking of such a program would probably be a failure in many cases. With society and schools being the way they are right now I think it would encourage the idea of conflicting values.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23981298 - 01/04/17 12:26 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I actually don't think spanking kids it's effective means of punishment at all. My dad never hit me one time and I was scared as shit to do something wrong on his watch. My mom was the same way too. Teaching kids that hitting is a form of punishment doesn't transcend into adulthood, and it doesn't really do anything for children, except teach them to use hitting as a method of getting what they want.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: daytripper05]
#23981344 - 01/04/17 12:43 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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That's neither here nor there and I'm probably not even having kids.
I don't consider a "pop" a spanking or an actual hit tho. My mom popped the backs of our hands and while it didn't really hurt it made the same effect. In some situations you kind of need that immediate punishment tho and unfortunately I feel the places this is most needed is the places it can't be done. I've known children to act up really bad in grocery stores and it's cuz they know mom or dad can't do anything about it right at that moment.
But god there's so much that goes into being a good parent and having a well behaved but well balanced child... I'm pretty well aware of the fact that mine was a mess because my older brother was an ADHD out of control shit and my parents nerves were frayed out by the time I was around. I got popped. I got spanked. My brother had things thrown at him.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: wakeINpeople]
#23981534 - 01/04/17 01:58 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I havent read the whole thread but question for the OP...
Are you vegan or vegetarian?
Because it seems to me you are trying to establish some sort of link between the hypothetical field trip scenario and the morals behind our distaste for it.
Its illogical and weak if thats the case
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23981909 - 01/04/17 04:42 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: it seems you're the one pushing conflicting values, my kids down own a helmet, in fact my daughter broke her arm riding her bike and the hospital wanted to be sure she didnt have a concussion because she had no helmet on... she's also seen animals slaughtered
No helmet?! The brain is the most important organ there is, one hard crash and you could end up with seizures for life or something
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Crystal G]
#23981939 - 01/04/17 04:53 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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if your kid needs a helmet to ride a bike then he shouldn't be riding a bike there
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Konyap]
#23982008 - 01/04/17 05:14 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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That is ridiculous, you're essentially balancing on two wheels, and kids aren't known for having the best coordination so of course they're going to spill sometimes. And even if you do everything perfectly there are the other things you can't control for, like getting hit by a car.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Crystal G]
#23982075 - 01/04/17 05:39 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I've never worn a helmet on a byke nd em not stoopid. Em fin!
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Crystal G]
#23982104 - 01/04/17 05:50 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Disclaimer: not a parent, and a meat eater - however, I am trying to eat less meat(I don't want to give it up completely, but kinda phase it out of my diet), be more ethical with my meat choices and trying to figure out how best to go about that.
I think more people need to be aware of where our food comes from, and that this is a wonderful idea - however, I would hate to see it presented in any kind of biased and emotional way - I don't know how I would feel about my kid seeing animals slaughtered(God knows I stumbled upon PETA videos when I was 12 and became vegan for a hot second myself) but I think that they need to know where their food comes from not only in order to fully appreciate the farms, farmers, and laborers and areas of the country that feed us all but the impact it has on the environment, in fact I think it's extremely important.
This is a great idea, it needs to be carried out in a sensitive but unemotional, objective manner and it's aim should be to inform and create a healthier and more knowledgeable relationship with food in general.
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