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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Crystal G]
#23979856 - 01/03/17 08:06 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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I watched a video last year of awake animals having their throats cut very poorly.
Should be instant death.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23979862 - 01/03/17 08:08 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: You're right, we should let 6 yr olds handle heavy machinery and murder pets.
you're right, we should wrap them in bubble wrap and lock them in a closet where it's safe
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: WeAreMushroom]
#23979896 - 01/03/17 08:18 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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WeAreMushroom said: If anything, we should start teaching children that meat comes from slaughtered animals at a young age so we can try to phase out animal consumption, which has been proven to be a massively unsustainable practice.
according to vegans claiming to do studies and propagated by vegans attempting to assert some moral superiority.
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It makes so much more sense to grow plants and eat the plants than to grow plants, feed them to animals, and then eat the animals.
apparently far more needs to be done in order to make sure kids are informed of where their food comes from, you could use a lesson in how much it costs to raise your crops in addition to how animals are actually raised, I bet you believe in factory farms and all the horror stories. outside of poultry, it's bullshit
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23979906 - 01/03/17 08:21 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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I think the pandering and coddling is a huge issue with children being brought up today.
And in part that's why I think making them watch an animal get slaughtered at a young age is a bad idea. It seems a bit contradictory.
"no timmy you can't ride a bike without a helmet, and no farther than the driveway, but you can watch this chicken get its head cut off and learn about sex in school." Conflicting values is a good way to help insure a fucked up kid.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23979962 - 01/03/17 08:39 PM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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It's because there is always some overly butt hurt parent out there.
If the nation goes to war on our own soil. You'd be happy to slaughter an animal for some food. Very lucky to do that too!
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23980240 - 01/03/17 10:59 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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It's a particular predicament of the west that we like to shelter ourselves from literally every single aspect of life which does not include comfort or the pursuit of comfort.
Death, sickness, poverty, hunger, disease, old age, mental and physical handicap, harvesting the meat of animals, etc. The list probably goes on.
I agree with those who say we should convert our industrialized animal farming into plant based farming, and that everyone should be at least 90% vegetarian. We eat far too much meat as a planet, particularly americans. It's fucked, honestly.
But so long as this way of life persists, the last thing we should do is shelter ourselves from the means of our own survival. Let people see it, show it to them, take kids to slaughterhouses. Hiding people away from the truth only causes more suffering later on, due to having lived a life in a state of ignorance or a slightly deluded perception of reality.
Think if you grew up and no one ever told kids about death, and then when you were of age someone finally told you that you will die some day... how awful would that realization be? how unprepared you might be for that kind of suffering... no, it's better to know the truth than hide from it.
Like repertoire said though, maybe just show some videos rather than an actual field trip. Idunno.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Chakra Shock]
#23980423 - 01/04/17 01:10 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Well, I don't have children but if I did I wouldn't need some public educational shitstem teaching him/her about where food comes from or the 'circle of life' because that's my job.
Add to that..it's not 'where' it's 'how' when you start comparing slaughter houses and nature/hunting/farming. Slaughter houses aren't healthy physically or psychologically. In my opinion it's not the death that is shocking, it's the living conditions that are.
Growing up hunting with my dad and my brother, we not only learned how to kill ethically, but how the animals lived, their key roles in the balance of nature and how everything 'came together', plants, animals, fungus, weather, seasons..the whole 9. I'm not sure my child could learn much more from a slaughter house other than what a cow that has dead eyes and no more will to live looks like. It really is inspiraton for a lot of those twisted horror movies.
Is it a valid thing to learn? Yes, but in my opinion only after they see what it looks like when it's done right. I can take my kid on a deer hunt, or fishing and teach him/her where food 'comes from' and how 'life works' out there. And those lessons won't traumatize at all. Even if they don't want to kill, all the lessons can still be taught without getting any blood on their hands. Plus it's a perfect setting to start ingraining gun safety..
Once they have a solid foundation of what all that entails, well start branching out into the less 'colorful' aspects of how humans work. Childhood in my mind is a pretty magical time, in my eyes. So I don't see any real need to rush into the nitty gritty until they get a little time under their belts.. it'll all come.
The talk of slaughter houses and how humans are destroying the earth will come after they learn the nature we still in fact live in, even though some people live 'indoors' and nature is just something 'out there' to be mowed down, paved over, and construct brick boxes to sell a bunch of bullshit junk out of 90% of the time..
In other words, I'd raise mine, like mine raised me.. I'll let the teachers handle the math and shit like that..
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Amanita86]
#23980477 - 01/04/17 02:05 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Every field trip I went on as a child was to some form of farm.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: wakeINpeople]
#23980733 - 01/04/17 07:52 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I don't have a problem with my kids seeing death and even at some point killing their food. I believe it's a valuable lesson in respecting the animal's sacrifice, but that being said should a teacher be doing it? The butcher? Should the other kids be there to make jokes about it or amplify negative feelings as a group? No it's no different than sex-ed. Sure it's great the school wanna teach the more in-detail stuff but the most important bulk information should come from the parents.
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I'd have no issue with it, although I may be bias being a vegetarian.
Obviously not elementary kids, you gotta wait till that type of thing wouldn't traumatize them, And even if it's like high school kids, don't be showing them the actual slaughtered house or anything, Just show them the conditions the animals are forced to live in. And no, I wouldn't let them participate in the slaughter or even watch it.
But decisions like that are something only the individual can make. (Being a vegetarian) I get very frustrated when I see parents push ideologies on their children, especially religion.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: SARAtonin] 1
#23980792 - 01/04/17 08:42 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Being vegetarian is an ideology. Only showing them the conditions of the animals defeats the point and just supports your own.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: SARAtonin]
#23980800 - 01/04/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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well infact, veganism is super unsustainable. vegans are pretty much 'killing' the planet (no worries it will 'fight' back) with the acres upon acres of soy they need to function let alone stay on their feet while doing labor. this is the kind of crop rainforests are beeing cutdown for, the same rainforests that are responsible for making oxygen out of co2...
they should take all school kids to a slaughterhouse mandatory, and the ones deciding to go vegan can go die (out of malnutrition) to improve the quality of air for us sane people
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23980861 - 01/04/17 09:13 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: "no timmy you can't ride a bike without a helmet, and no farther than the driveway, but you can watch this chicken get its head cut off and learn about sex in school." Conflicting values is a good way to help insure a fucked up kid.
You've obviously never been raised around farms. This stuff is ingrained in most children that live on farms from the time they are born. It's a part of life, and kids no doubt make better eating choices on their own if they see where their food comes from. I'd rather my kid watch 100 birds get humanely slaughtered and processed as real food than eat a single chicken nugget.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23980897 - 01/04/17 09:35 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I think the pandering and coddling is a huge issue with children being brought up today.
yes, it makes them delicate little flowers that cant handle the shit that life throws at them
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And in part that's why I think making them watch an animal get slaughtered at a young age is a bad idea.
throughout history children were exposed to it every day, I wonder how mankind has managed to survive as long as we have with children seeing animals butchered
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"no timmy you can't ride a bike without a helmet, and no farther than the driveway, but you can watch this chicken get its head cut off and learn about sex in school." Conflicting values is a good way to help insure a fucked up kid.
it seems you're the one pushing conflicting values, my kids down own a helmet, in fact my daughter broke her arm riding her bike and the hospital wanted to be sure she didnt have a concussion because she had no helmet on... she's also seen animals slaughtered
I wont criticize you for sheltering your children in the bubble you create for them, you shouldnt criticize me for teaching mu kids some real world skills that include hunting, mechanics, electrical, construction, farming and what ever else they want to learn
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: daytripper05]
#23980901 - 01/04/17 09:36 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I have actually.
How many times do I have to say I'm not concerned with the farm kids?
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23980904 - 01/04/17 09:38 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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I dunno why you have to go over to the far retard left every time I try to suggest we have discretion.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23980905 - 01/04/17 09:38 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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My son's favourite movie is Old Yeller.
As far as history goes, if it is true that these things fuck people up, then it's already genetically encoded in us so seeing some things die and learning to respect what's on your plate isn't going to make things worse. Poor parenting is far more detrimental than the overall effect things like this would have on them. We just have to talk to them.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23980919 - 01/04/17 09:46 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I have actually.
How many times do I have to say I'm not concerned with the farm kids?
What makes farm kids any different than kids that don't grow up on farms in their ability to handle where our food comes from? I don't think there is that much difference except their inherent exposure to life on the farm. Our kids needs to be exposed to this, and the sooner the better in my book.
And to be specific, I'm talking family farms, not huge factory farms or feed lots.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23980928 - 01/04/17 09:49 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: I dunno why you have to go over to the far retard left every time I try to suggest we have discretion.
I was just following your lead or have you forgotten little timmy that's being forced to watch animals get slaughtered but has to wear a helmet.
did you read these posts?
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23977890#23977890 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23977893#23977893 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23977903#23977903
this one was my favorite
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CookieCrumbs said: You're right, we should let 6 yr olds handle heavy machinery and murder pets.
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Re: Question for all parents out there..... [Re: daytripper05]
#23980934 - 01/04/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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The difference is reponsibility. Living on a farm you're mucking stalls and feeding livestock, learning to drive heavy machinery, cutting the fuck out of yourself and getting pecked by chickens. Most city kids are lucky if mom makes them do dishes and get a part time job at 16-17.
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