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OfflineMikeTesserect
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    #23976735 - 01/02/17 04:55 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Are there any science minded atheists who have experienced spirits or entities on a psychedelic in here? I never have even on level 4 and 5 trips. If I was anticipating seeing them or had healing intentions maybe I would have.


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Re: Question [Re: MikeTesserect]
    #23976914 - 01/02/17 06:07 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Yupppp.

I was very atheist before my DMT trips.

I still don't believe religion is beneficial at all, and I don't believe the entities I've been in contact with were gods, I believe them to be higher beings, living in higher dimensions. On higher frequencies.

I think that when we die your consciousness will undergo some sort of metamorphism or transform into something much more complex than anything that we could comprehend, or even put into language.


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Re: Question [Re: MikeTesserect]
    #23977144 - 01/02/17 07:43 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Absolutely.  I was a hard core atheist before becoming Buddhist (which is still basically atheist :lol:) about the time I got into mushrooms seriously.  The spirits are real but they have little to do with orthodox (i.e. patriarchal church dominated) religions.  They just are what they are, but what they are is undeniable.

You want to just try to open up to them while tripping.  There's a kind of mental trick you have to learn or stumble on - hyperspace is orthogonal to our ordinary dimensions, but when you bend your mind just "right" you can access it.  Anytime actually, but it's much easier to learn how with the stimulus of the mushrooms.  For that I recommend high doses, they will take you there whether or not you know where it is you're really going. :thumbup:


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Re: Question [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #23978064 - 01/03/17 06:49 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

MinnesnowtaNice said:
Yupppp.

I was very atheist before my DMT trips.

I still don't believe religion is beneficial at all, and I don't believe the entities I've been in contact with were gods, I believe them to be higher beings, living in higher dimensions. On higher frequencies.

I think that when we die your consciousness will undergo some sort of metamorphism or transform into something much more complex than anything that we could comprehend, or even put into language.





Then you are not really atheist


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23978107 - 01/03/17 07:41 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Of course he's not, he was an atheist, past tense.


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Re: Question [Re: krypto2000]
    #23978121 - 01/03/17 07:53 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I meant to imply that he does believe in gods if he believes they are higher beings

Higher beings=god

I cant think of any other perfect way to define a god other than "higher being"


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23978153 - 01/03/17 08:27 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Good orderly direction


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Re: Question [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #23978161 - 01/03/17 08:35 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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MinnesnowtaNice said:


I think that when we die your consciousness will undergo some sort of metamorphism or transform into something much more complex than anything that we could comprehend, or even put into language.





That's about what i think very similar, i feel like we're not supposed to know what happens when we die, thats why no one truly knows and its definitely something that cant be put into human language .. I almost feel like our conciousness meshes back into the everything the intangible matter not being destroyed or created


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Re: Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23978173 - 01/03/17 08:45 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
I meant to imply that he does believe in gods if he believes they are higher beings

Higher beings=god

I cant think of any other perfect way to define a god other than "higher being"




I read it as he was an atheist, then had some dmt trips where he saw higher entities and thus no longer is an atheist. Not that he believed in them as an atheist.


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Re: Question [Re: krypto2000]
    #23978307 - 01/03/17 09:56 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

krypto2000 said:
Quote:

Bill_Oreilly said:
I meant to imply that he does believe in gods if he believes they are higher beings

Higher beings=god

I cant think of any other perfect way to define a god other than "higher being"




I read it as he was an atheist, then had some dmt trips where he saw higher entities and thus no longer is an atheist. Not that he believed in them as an atheist.





Yeah i read it wrong. My bad

Im just saying though in general that if you believe in higher beings then you believe in God of some sort


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23978492 - 01/03/17 11:08 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Are there any science minded atheists who have experienced spirits or entities on a psychedelic in here?



I sort of accept all religion at its base, but follow none. I have always heard of people interacting with spirits/entities or whatever you want to call it, but never had myself either.
Would be cool if it did happen, wouldn't be disappointed if not though, psychedelics help me be more comfortable with myself, more grateful of life and connect better with my emotions


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Re: Question [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23978602 - 01/03/17 11:47 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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ergoticmandala said:
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Are there any science minded atheists who have experienced spirits or entities on a psychedelic in here?



I sort of accept all religion at its base, but follow none. I have always heard of people interacting with spirits/entities or whatever you want to call it, but never had myself either.
Would be cool if it did happen, wouldn't be disappointed if not though, psychedelics help me be more comfortable with myself, more grateful of life and connect better with my emotions





Large doses=better chances of entity contact


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23978616 - 01/03/17 11:50 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Never got there with shrooms or acid even at high levels.....but with dmt I've met a few.:wonka:


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Re: Question [Re: pineninja]
    #23978676 - 01/03/17 12:17 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I only did once with mushrooms and then once with DMT+mushrooms

Mushrooms there was a mantis type thing at the end of my bed with colors emanating from its back and the dmt one i legit made it rain and a minute later a flying disk emerged from my wall and flew up to my left eye


God damn i miss dmt. I need to grow some balls and smoke it again


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23978743 - 01/03/17 12:47 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Im cooking mimosa right now bill :smile:


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Re: Question [Re: Mike4aco] * 2
    #23978764 - 01/03/17 12:54 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I was an atheist before I ever tripped. After tripping I had to rethink the whole thing and I started making all kinds of theories in my mind about what/who/where God is. As decades passed, my belief in God and my love and fascination with nature has steadily increased.

BUT - I have never believed in religion. I've been exposed to a lot of it in my family and my wife's family but it doesn't appeal to me one bit. I hate how people seem to connect believing in God to taking part in religion, like there's no in-between. I'm sure there are tons of people out there just like me - they believe in God but are not religious.


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Re: Question [Re: Universe]
    #23978827 - 01/03/17 01:16 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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they believe in God but are not religious



yeah i'm somewhere in here


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Re: Question [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23979122 - 01/03/17 03:18 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Mike4aco said:
Im cooking mimosa right now bill :smile:





:rockon:


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Question [Re: MikeTesserect]
    #23979312 - 01/03/17 04:33 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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MikeTesserect said:
Are there any science minded atheists who have experienced spirits or entities on a psychedelic in here? ....







I have....These days I don't identify myself as an atheist (not religious or a firm "believer" either), but I'm still scientifically/logically minded, and very skeptical of things. I have always been.


I came into this world with a cold/hard/scientifically/logically mind and have always been skeptical of things...So much so that I literally never believed in Santa Clause or any of those sorts of things as a kid, I never did. The whole story of Santa never made logical sense to me, even as a toddler...and when I was really young and going to church with grandparents, I never believed in any of the religious/God non-sense, even as far back as a 3 & 4 year old I remember being doubtful and skeptical of it all, I had tons of questions and the answers I was given didn't satisfy me....and I found it really weird that so many people believed this stuff with out doubt.





So yea, I've always been a skeptic and scientifically minded....But even with out psychedelics I have encountered entities and other bizarre "phenomena", during things like sleep paralysis and some out of body experiences that I've had catalyzed by SP.

Having such direct experiences/encounters while not on a drug, and having quite a handful of encounters while on DMT (a few on mushrooms), has totally cracked open a different view of "reality" for me.










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Universe said:
I was an atheist before I ever tripped. After tripping I had to rethink the whole thing and I started making all kinds of theories in my mind about what/who/where God is. As decades passed, my belief in God and my love and fascination with nature has steadily increased.

BUT - I have never believed in religion. I've been exposed to a lot of it in my family and my wife's family but it doesn't appeal to me one bit. I hate how people seem to connect believing in God to taking part in religion, like there's no in-between. I'm sure there are tons of people out there just like me - they believe in God but are not religious.







And this ^^^....


I concur and totally relate.








-OM


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Re: Question [Re: MikeTesserect]
    #23979427 - 01/03/17 05:21 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

MikeTesserect said:
Are there any science minded atheists who have experienced spirits or entities on a psychedelic in here? I never have even on level 4 and 5 trips. If I was anticipating seeing them or had healing intentions maybe I would have.




For a brief moment I once thought an 'outside force' was influencing my stream of conscience but after 5 minutes I started questioning it and realised it was my own subconscious influences.

I also found out about Erwin Schrodinger's concept of negative entropy which for me was a better alternative than the concept of Karma. Basically it states that an organism stores negative entropy for the span of it's lifetime.

P.S. That was on 8g (jesus dose)


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Re: Question [Re: sudly]
    #23979441 - 01/03/17 05:25 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I have yet to experience entities or spirits on psychedelics but in dreams on the other hand Ive met some crazy things that feel too real and organic to be created in my head. So I really keep an open mind when it comes to entities and such.


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Re: Question [Re: Purplehaze6]
    #23979881 - 01/03/17 08:13 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I too am in the category of belief in God but not religions.

But to be fair..i grew up in a Christian household and it led me to psychedelics eventually while everyone i grew up with wasnt raised religious and they have not a clue about these substances


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Question [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23979910 - 01/03/17 08:21 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Bill_Oreilly said:
I too am in the category of belief in God but not religions.

But to be fair..i grew up in a Christian household and it led me to psychedelics eventually while everyone i grew up with wasnt raised religious and they have not a clue about these substances



My long lost brother from another mother we share the same thoughts


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Re: Question [Re: ergoticmandala]
    #23980647 - 01/04/17 06:24 AM (7 years, 26 days ago)

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ergoticmandala said:
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they believe in God but are not religious



yeah i'm somewhere in here



Same!

I did hear an alternative view on Christianity and pretty much all the religious texts that claim that they are all actually teaching us to look within, silence the mind and allow the christ consciousness to build and reach god.

However we have somewhere along the line inverted the meaning to look on the outside which potentially brings the problems we have seen religion cause.


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