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Invisiblemt cleverest
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24015023 - 01/16/17 03:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pumped for this talk . I hope it's available tonight

Edit. Just saw that that Duncan trussel just had Peterson on his podcast so that should hold me over until the Sam Harris one comes out

Edited by mt cleverest (01/16/17 05:05 PM)

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: mt cleverest]
    #24015300 - 01/16/17 05:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just started listening to peterson and duncan trussel on the DTFH podcast. Pretty good so far.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: blingbling]
    #24015308 - 01/16/17 05:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thumbup:

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InvisibleMiddlemanM

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: mt cleverest]
    #24015481 - 01/16/17 06:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cool, I didn't know he was on DTFH. I loved Duncan's talks with Kornfield and Surya Das.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: Middleman]
    #24015702 - 01/16/17 07:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm gonna try to look those up tomorrow. Can't get enough of Peterson right now. Duncan asked him right out if hes done psychedelics. I had a feeling he did

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InvisibleMiddlemanM

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: mt cleverest]
    #24030907 - 01/22/17 03:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh man, that Harris interview was a bummer. Harris zoomed right in on an epistemological quibble and wouldn't let it go. He missed Peterson's primary message completely. Peterson should have read 'Waking Up' and Harris should have read 'Maps of Meaning.' Funny that I emailed Peterson about the same thing years ago. I asked about his interpretation of "Truth serves life." as "Only what serves life is true." I asked him what he thought about "Stake life upon truth." but I didn't receive a reply. Trussell's inteview of Peterson was a blast though. :thumbup:

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: Middleman]
    #24031034 - 01/22/17 04:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I felt the same way and wass getting really annoyed with sam's insistence on not exploring the topic thru other avenues. he should've been a more accomodating host.

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InvisibleMiddlemanM

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: mt cleverest]
    #24031128 - 01/22/17 04:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True, but I think Peterson is making a serious error in his interpretation. Jordan is so insightful about so many other things, but Harris has a gift for highlighting fallacies of equivocation.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: Middleman]
    #24032632 - 01/23/17 07:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

in his interpretation of truth? how so? I might be off here but I feel like he doesn't much believe in truth at all, at least any kind of objective truth that can be grasped by humans so he settles for value and that which is good for him, his family and the human race is valuable. but harris was like "no we can't continue with the talk unless unless you define truth like me."

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: mt cleverest]
    #24034762 - 01/23/17 10:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No, in his interpretation of Nietzsche. JP has the same script on all the interviews and he didn't get five minutes into it with SH. Hope there's a rematch.

"Hence the ways of men part: if you wish to strive for peace of soul and pleasure, then believe; if you wish to be a devotee of truth, then inquire."

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: Middleman]
    #24035053 - 01/24/17 02:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

JP's epistemology is at its core the same as the postmodernist's he is attempting to fight. The guy is a walking contradiction. I still like some of his insights though.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: blingbling]
    #24035211 - 01/24/17 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, it's post-post-postmodernim...oh well, people are individuals. they have their own sense of mind and, thus, knowledge.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World *DELETED* [Re: akira_akuma]
    #24035877 - 01/24/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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A bunch of jokes, with a grain of truth in each.

The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

What will be, will be. :pipesmoke:

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: psychobla] * 1
    #24036629 - 01/24/17 05:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think it was definitely annoying that Harris kept pushing the same issue, but at the same time that is what a philosopher should do, and so we got to hear some real philosophy. In my opinion Harris owned JP regarding epistemology, when JP said "I don't necessarily think facts are true" he totally gave up on logical argumentation. I think he wants to justify his religious beliefs and drags that into his epistemology. And we never would have seen that if Harris had of just let him get away with such an illogical argument.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World *DELETED* [Re: blingbling]
    #24038271 - 01/25/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Edited by psychobla (01/25/17 10:25 AM)

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Invisiblesudly
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: psychobla]
    #24039363 - 01/25/17 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

As far as I know the hypothetical can be grasped as a hypothetical fact with enough experimentation and observation.


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All we can do is appeal to scientific values , the value of understanding the world, the value of evidence, the value of logical consistency.




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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: sudly]
    #24039802 - 01/25/17 08:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"I think when JP said "I don't necessarily think facts are true" he was simply trying to draw a distinction between different layers of truth.

Some "facts" can contradict each other or be presented in a dishonest way. "

No, he was literally saying that a fact is not true if it disregards human wellbeing. That was why Harris kept pushing him on this subject. Its true that the sky is blue regardless of what that might mean for the welfare of mankind. JP would say that the sky is blue only if it means human welfare is increased.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Invisiblesudly
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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: blingbling]
    #24039827 - 01/25/17 09:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think human welfare effects the colour of the sky or how the gases in the Earths atmosphere reflect light coming from the Sun.


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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: sudly] * 1
    #24039832 - 01/25/17 09:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Then you disagree with JP. Congratulations for not being philosophically depraved. It takes a lot of thinking to become as confused as JP. He is brilliant in other ways though.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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Re: Dr. Jordan B. Peterson's New Year’s Letter to the World [Re: blingbling]
    #24053472 - 01/31/17 02:20 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Just started listening to the Jordan B Peterson podcast, its really good.


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Kupo said:
let's fuel the robots with psilocybin.

cez said:
everyone should smoke dmt for religion.

dustinthewind13 said:
euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building.

White Beard said:
if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.

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