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Mushenstein
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Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA
#23976442 - 01/02/17 03:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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This question is two fold, because I didn't want to create more then one thread.
1. I am making dog food agar. I would like to add honey to the mix to see if there is a benefit. Is there any benefit to this or would this overly enrich the agar. Agar is expensive and I don't feel like throwing it out the window if anyone knows the answer. BTW all the recipes here are in grams. Am I the only person on this cite that doesn't have a scale. Teaspoon/tablespoons conversions would be a great help. 
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2. I am doing cracked corn for jars, because Rye berries are 10 times as expensive and cracked corn is $8.00 per 50lb bag. Is there any benefit to adding coffee water to the 30 minute heat/soak? Rye Berries soak for over half a day and I can see a benefit there, but in a 30 minute cooking process is the corn actually going to retain any of the coffee, and would myc benefit to adding nitrogen to cracked corn, as opposed to rye berries.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein] 1
#23976451 - 01/02/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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30min of heat to cracked corn will give you one nasty mess.
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Mushenstein
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: mushboy]
#23976601 - 01/02/17 04:01 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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That's what the tek says in the cultivation section of this site. Can you elaborate and or answer my other questions.
Thanks for chiming in through
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23976624 - 01/02/17 04:12 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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A scale is a must IMO.
The cultivation section of this website is full of old garbage. Good research is done on the forums where there's time tested proven methods
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: bodhisatta]
#23976629 - 01/02/17 04:13 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: bodhisatta]
#23976636 - 01/02/17 04:16 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ya could use a spoon to scale. With experience a spoon or cup is all ya need. U just need some practice. Borrow a scale to get used to it.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: bodhisatta]
#23976864 - 01/02/17 05:46 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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First off, I do read the damn cultivation pages and teks. Mushboy replies "30min of heat to cracked corn will give you one nasty mess". But he doesn't answer any of my questions. Why reply????? Your not going to explain your answer? Are you just trying to up your posting numbers. The freggin tek on this site for the preparation as cracked corn for bulk substrates specifically states: "1. Get the estimated amount of CC you want and put it into a large pot. Next cover the corn with water and set the heat between "medium" and "high". 2. Simmer the CC 30 - 35 minutes on the stove is enough time, however it depends on how much you are doing and how much water/corn you are working with etc.. (with small amounts the heat may need to be adjusted lower to prevent boil over) For large batches this time was correct.
I have been registered to this site just shy of 2 years. I have laterally read hundreds of teks and information in the cultivation section as well as other sections, I have read thousands of posts and threads to gain my information not to mention I have been successful in many adventures. I am a noob, no doubt and will never achieve the level of knowledge that RR, Roadkill and others have, but I just want you to know that I would not have asked a question unless I felt that they were specific enough that no more time needed spent on my part looking at posts for the answers. In regards to the 1st question Stamets states that "complex sugars are reccommeded to supplement agars to increase vitality by forcing them to extract the sugars from the base medium", (see Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms, pg 87. Stamets also says, Sugars in General are essential for the healthy growth of Mycelium, id and recommend different complex sugars but is silent on this particular medium as to the application of more simpliar sugars, i.e honey. Dog food already contains complex sugars but little "simple sugars" and nutrients found in honey. Hence, it may be beneficial for the overall health of the mycelium, unless the dog food medium contains an exceeding amount of complex sugars, which the honey would cause the agar to become toxic. If small amounts of the honey provide no additional benefit, or too much it may make the agar toxic, then I have no need to experiment needlessly on my budget. If your goal was simply to gain "posting" numbers by referring me to the "cultivation section" of this site, then you've succeeded. Im not trying to be a dick, I'm just saying no one even tried to answer my questions.
In regards to my second question about the coffee water to the cracked corn, I have done an ample reading of grain preparation and found general cites to the addition of coffee water to prepping bulk grains, and their benefit but nothing specific as to absorption rates for cracked corn or the specific benefit is would give cracked corn, if any.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein] 1
#23976980 - 01/02/17 06:38 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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wow
corn is loaded with starch. if you add heat and can/will get really sticky and clumpy. you want a nice loose grain that freely moves around in a jar after prep.
the consistancy of cooked crack corn is well... fucking gross. WBS(wild bird seed) has a similar issue so the way I prep my wbs is just a 24hr soak.
however, in terms of choice of grain for various drawbacks, crackcorn is the worst. moisture content is difficult to get right, the grains are really large and they clump together.
$8 for 50lbs is a great deal. but id never ever use crackcorn ever(tried it once. no way)
as for the rest of your post...
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: mushboy]
#23977060 - 01/02/17 07:11 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Sure you did, just because it was there. Regardless, thank you for caring enough to answer my question. I guess I'm on my own on the DFA and honey, but I will use what you said in my considerations.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23977330 - 01/02/17 09:07 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Can you link to the tek youre using please?
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#23977446 - 01/02/17 10:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I add coffee to all my grains. Adding honey to DFA will just slow growth. Dog food has enough nutrition on its own.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: MudaFuka]
#23977452 - 01/02/17 10:03 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Coffee and a half pinch of gypsum
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Intelligentxfruit]
#23977499 - 01/02/17 10:22 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Adding coffee to grain soak is perfect. Cc is not shakeable. Do not use grain to grain or regular agar wedges for your jar. Make li if you want results.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: tump]
#23977512 - 01/02/17 10:26 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I saw a tek about cracked corn a long time ago. I think you can make it work but there is a trick to it (that I can't remember ). It would be my last grain choice aside frome oil grains like flax.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#23978344 - 01/03/17 10:11 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/9034/Cracked-Corn-Preparation-Technique
This is the prep for the corn tek on this site. I was just going to do it for the jars. As for the end substrate I will probably use the bucket tek or the elementary coir tek on Damien50/50's links. Corn was not the base substrate just the inoculation substrate. Unless their are problems with this??? I have 200lbs of corn for feed. That's why I was switching from rye berries to cracked corn. Unless u guys think it is not practical.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: bodhisatta]
#23978348 - 01/03/17 10:12 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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dude that tek is 14 years old. mycology and growing illegal drugs, is ever changing and never written in stone. hence ....
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bodhisatta said: The cultivation section of this website is full of old garbage. Good research is done on the forums where there's time tested proven methods
pretend the site shroomery.org does not exist. only shroomery.org/forums
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23978355 - 01/03/17 10:16 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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If you can manage to prrp iy without turning it into a sticky starchy mess, it will work fine. That is easier said than done though.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: Mushenstein]
#23978359 - 01/03/17 10:17 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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and in case you get upset that i just shat on you for my own post count...
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Mushenstein said: Corn was not the base substrate just the inoculation substrate.
right. thats called spawn. we know.
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Mushenstein said:I have 200lbs of corn for feed.
thats a lot of corn!!
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Mushenstein said:Unless u guys think it is not practical.
no it is not practical. stick with rye. or wbs. or oats.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: MudaFuka]
#23978366 - 01/03/17 10:21 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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I read a post, after sifting through volumes of information, where someone recommended that the cracked corn be sifted through a colander to separate the small pieces and the dust before it is put in water. This supposedly gets rid of the mush, unless its cooked too long.
It felt like I found the holy grail of answers when I stumbled upon this post.
I will try the coffee with it then. I guess I will leave the honey out of the dog food agar.
I got some Petri dishes for Christmas and was going to try these with the agar instead of glad minirounds. After reviewing the petri teks I am assuming I can not pour the agar into the dishes before I pc them? This may result in a mess? I don't have a flow hood so sterilizing everything separately and then putting things together in a sab, or glove box seems substantially risky. Any thoughts, or am I right about petri's being pc'd without agar in them.
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Re: Any Benefit to adding Coffee to CC and Honey to DFA [Re: mushboy]
#23978371 - 01/03/17 10:24 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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pretend the site shroomery.org does not exist. only shroomery.org/forums
I'm finding this to be good advise.
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