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AK1000
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For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG?
#23975842 - 01/02/17 11:35 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm just curious if there's any difference at all. I didn't case this one bottle and it seems to be growing just the same as the ones that I cased with plain verm. I also have some leftover CVG that I had prepared in the past that I will use, but wondering if there's even a benefit to any of these over not using anything at all in regards to p. cubensis mushrooms.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: AK1000]
#23975854 - 01/02/17 11:38 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'd case your current grow with the leftover CVG, the microclimate it provides will ensure a nice pinset. It's not 100% necessary tho, but definitely recommended.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: AK1000]
#23975857 - 01/02/17 11:39 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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AK1000 said: I'm just curious if there's any difference at all. I didn't case this one bottle and it seems to be growing just the same as the ones that I cased with plain verm. I also have some leftover CVG that I had prepared in the past that I will use, but wondering if there's even a benefit to any of these over not using anything at all in regards to p. cubensis mushrooms.
Vermiculite by itself, from my experience, is the least likely to contaminate and makes it the clear winner in my eyes.
Casing has several benefits ... first, in the fruiting stage it keeps the surface of the colonized substrate moist and prevents it from drying out ... that's a big plus. Also, Cubes like to pin off of non or less nutritious surfaces which a casing layer can provide.
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MudaFuka
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23975959 - 01/02/17 12:09 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I have run bottles cased with verm, cased with coir and uncased. Every time I did uncased bottles, I regretted it as the grow progressed. Coir worked but colonised a bit more quickly than I like. Verm is my favorite.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: MudaFuka]
#23976057 - 01/02/17 12:43 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I have run bottles cased with verm, cased with coir and uncased. Every time I did uncased bottles, I regretted it as the grow progressed. Coir worked but colonised a bit more quickly than I like. Verm is my favorite.
Did you regret it because it dries out faster? Also, this. XD
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: AK1000]
#23976274 - 01/02/17 01:59 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Dried out faster, side pinned more and yields were always a bit lower.
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cronicr



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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: MudaFuka]
#23976297 - 01/02/17 02:06 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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i never liked verm on it's own myself to each their own though
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: cronicr]
#23976355 - 01/02/17 02:25 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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AK1000 said: I didn't case this one bottle and it seems to be growing just the same as the ones that I cased with plain verm.
what sort of ratios are you using? if you are using loads of CVG then it's sort of approaching being cased, i.e. the upper layer is going to have little grain in it.
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cronicr said: i never liked verm on it's own myself to each their own though
I find verm on its own is more foolproof, it hard to oversaturate, but if you are not a "fool" you need no foolproof methods... I gave a friend a jar with pure grains topped with verm, he was able to fill it with water after a flush and drain it off, while a coir casing can easily become sodden if you leave it too long. With very little instruction and experience he got several flushes off it. On the other hand I find the verm dries out too fast because of this. I want to try and find a more ideal foolproof mix, which I reckon will have a low amount of coir vs verm. Or maybe layering might be better, don't think I have seen many trying layers, like a layer of verm and then coir on top or vice versa. I also still have to try some hessian sacks I have on top, for easy harvesting.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: blackout]
#23976375 - 01/02/17 02:37 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: cronicr]
#23976403 - 01/02/17 02:50 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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You can rule out uncased, of the three given options uncased will have the least BE. I'm guessing you are working around 60-66% substrate water content.
Casing adds water, in coir's case also some complex energy.
Mycelium spends energy on verm, no returns.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: Ferather]
#23976427 - 01/02/17 02:57 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ferather said: You can rule out uncased, of the three given options uncased will have the least BE.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: cronicr]
#23976463 - 01/02/17 03:04 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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A casing layer provides a nice micro climate and that often produces a nice pinset if the FAE is right. But the more pins in one flush the smaller the fruits IME. The total yield is not much (if at all) affected by a casing layer. + The casing layer prevents the substrate from drying on the surface.
I like to apply a casing layer because I mainly grow for aesthetics and to trip a few times a year.
Tell me what looks better than a 'mushroom forest' 
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: enlightenment]
#23976472 - 01/02/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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yeah cubes don't benefit from a casing layer the grower does
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: cronicr]
#23976487 - 01/02/17 03:15 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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I'm curious as to how you can get 100% BE with less than 80% water. What is the usable dry weight and weight of water used?
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: Ferather]
#23976494 - 01/02/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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The best bet is to do rez effect casing with vermiculite.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: unlimitedmaster]
#23976515 - 01/02/17 03:26 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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unlimitedmaster said: The best bet is to do rez effect casing with vermiculite.
What is "rez effect" ?
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: Ferather]
#23976535 - 01/02/17 03:34 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Ferather said: I'm curious as to how you can get 100% BE with less than 80% water. What is the usable dry weight and weight of water used?
I get well over 200% BE from bottles. Not sure how.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: MudaFuka]
#23976596 - 01/02/17 04:00 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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KauaiOrca rez effect is the best method to grow massive amounts of magic mushrooms. You have to spawn 1 part grain to 1 part vermiculite and case it with vermiculite. Mist da hell out of it. Soon you see a lot of tiny mushroomz all tray covered.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: MudaFuka]
#23976608 - 01/02/17 04:04 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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MudaFuka said:
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Ferather said: I'm curious as to how you can get 100% BE with less than 80% water. What is the usable dry weight and weight of water used?
I get well over 200% BE from bottles. Not sure how.
NVM me, I'm using different maths to what is used widely. I'm doing dry to dry. I see 200% as 200g from 100g, lol. Different working logic.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: unlimitedmaster]
#23976806 - 01/02/17 05:24 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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unlimitedmaster said: KauaiOrca rez effect is the best method to grow massive amounts of magic mushrooms. You have to spawn 1 part grain to 1 part vermiculite and case it with vermiculite. Mist da hell out of it. Soon you see a lot of tiny mushroomz all tray covered.
hmmmmm .... alrighty then.
Why would you "spawn" grain to straight vermiculite? That makes no sense at all.
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: KauaiOrca]
#23976811 - 01/02/17 05:26 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Dont mind him he is still green
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: unlimitedmaster]
#23976816 - 01/02/17 05:27 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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unlimitedmaster said: The best bet is to do rez effect casing with vermiculite.
What is "rez effect casing" ? What does the word rez mean?
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: cronicr]
#23976821 - 01/02/17 05:28 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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cronicr said: Dont mind him he is still green
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: cronicr]
#23976852 - 01/02/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Reservoir = Rez a name shortened by a kid that borrows 20$ from mom and only wears board shorts
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Re: For cubes, is there a difference between no casing, plain verm, and CVG? [Re: bodhisatta]
#23976965 - 01/02/17 06:30 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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