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Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience
    #23975291 - 01/02/17 07:48 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I'm making this post in regards to a stigma, that not all that happens under the influence of a psychedelic experience is regarded as "Truth"

First you have to ask yourself, what does Truth mean to you.

Everything you see is The Truth, substance induced or not, because you saw it, felt it and it actually happened made it as real and as truthful as the definition of Real.

Your experience was impactful as it could ever be in the very moment, whether you believe it after the fact or not, you were confronted by the possibility of it to be real and true, and you may still be questioning/reflecting to this very day on certain aspects of your experience..

Now besides that point, our lives, what we know as real, physical existance and everything within is a mere vision of manifestation, an illusion; meaning none of it would exist without our awareness, we all stem from One Consciousness, which we all Manifest from, our very lives.

On Psychedelic experiences, there's a plethora of phenomena that can occur, as well as hallucinations such as seeing entities, aliens, and far beyond places of the minds eye. Some people don't and never will experience the same phenomena as other users, and some people can relate. Anything is possible when the veil is torn away.

In the end, you can try and try, plead and plead, that this, your experience was The Truth, that your vision deemed all end and all within is The One - unifying experience. To other people it doesn't matter what you experience, for your words can only penetrate the exterior being and logical mind, you can do your best to guide and wager minds into opening to this experience in hopes they find the same benefit as you.

But because your experience will only ever totally make sense to the one individual awareness who perceived it, that one unique perspective who had the experience, no one is better suited to make sense of the experience than you. And no one Can.

I take everything as pure truth when I trip, and from there I use my logical mind to decipher delusion, and my intuitive and spiritual self to decipher what can't be understood (mysticism, magic) and what can't be explained, from there I chose to keep an open mind but never closed.

There's a percentage of Psychedelic Users out there who perceive tripping as just that, a totally different form of reality, that some even go as far to believe to be totally fake and full of falsehood, and some the opposite. People don't want to fall into the category of societies "crazy" blanket, so they shove it under the rug.

For some people, saying you believe what you experienced is total horseshit, but will continue to pull realizations and ideas from the experience after the fact makes no sense to me, that sounds like a kid that got beat up in school and tried to say it never happened, almost a form of escapism in my opinion - trying to avoid or deny your own problems/reasoning for why the trip panned out the way it did.

You can use your logical mind to decipher delusion, but psychedelic experiences are no less truthful than our very waking lives. The experience is definitely 100% real in the moment, and it is 100% impactful on your life, how would one not correlate that to being truthful, in the sense of logic? It definitely made sense to you at the time, or nonsense..

And now you are left to reflect and decipher. But some, chose to deny all together, especially LSD users, a lot less common with DMT users.

My point is our lives are based off our belief system, and psychedelics love to show you the naked appearance of existence, it's nothing less truthful than the clothes on your back.

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In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
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Re: Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23975300 - 01/02/17 07:53 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

"Humankind today needs to know that something is 'true' in order to accept the possibility of it occurring, but we don't see that our definition of 'true' is incredibly limited and therefore stifles the possibility of an experience wider than the position that we hold. We think that we 'need to see something for it to be real,' not realizing that thoughts are something that we've never seen. In response to this, we try to reduce our mental life to mere survival functions and what we call 'instincts,' but we can say little to nothing about the content of our deepest thoughts and emotions, only the mechanisms they use to become manifest.

The imperative thing is for us to realize that although we can't 'physically see' the forces of the mind, or the 'inner world,' we can recognize the effects of those forces in the 'outer world.' The vital question is not whether or not mental and spiritual events are 'real,' but whether or not we should treat them as such. When we treat our imagination as entirely unreal, we're doomed to meaninglessness and cynicism. When we treat the imagination as if it is real while retaining healthy skepticism at the same time, we create purpose and meaning within our world, which results in an acceptance of life and a faith in our potential to grow which is increasingly, dangerously scarce in the neurotic realm of materialistic culture."


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"


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Re: Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23975707 - 01/02/17 10:54 AM (7 years, 28 days ago)

"I'd stand naked, stoned and stabbed"

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Re: Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23977269 - 01/02/17 08:38 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Eclipse3130 said:
On Psychedelic experiences, there's a plethora of phenomena that can occur, as well as hallucinations such as seeing entities, aliens, and far beyond places of the minds eye. Some people don't and never will experience the same phenomena as other users, and some people can relate. Anything is possible when the veil is torn away.

In the end, you can try and try, plead and plead, that this, your experience was The Truth, that your vision deemed all end and all within is The One - unifying experience. To other people it doesn't matter what you experience, for your words can only penetrate the exterior being and logical mind, you can do your best to guide and wager minds into opening to this experience in hopes they find the same benefit as you.








I have never told someone that what I have experienced is the truth, and I never would either. 

I also feel like if I told others what I experienced was the truth, they might try to chase my version of something, rather than use psychs and have their own unique experience.


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Re: Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience [Re: Lucis]
    #23977677 - 01/02/17 11:47 PM (7 years, 28 days ago)

I agree that it's 100% real in the moment. You can deny it afterward but you can't deny it while its happening and that says something.


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Re: Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23977965 - 01/03/17 04:14 AM (7 years, 27 days ago)

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Peyote Road said:
I agree that it's 100% real in the moment. You can deny it afterward but you can't deny it while its happening and that says something.



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Re: Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23979094 - 01/03/17 03:07 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Peyote Road said:
I agree that it's 100% real in the moment. You can deny it afterward but you can't deny it while its happening and that says something.






If while in the moment you gain understanding of something about yourself, or your reality, and you use those lessons to grow the rest of your life, then those experiences are 100% real while in the moment, or not, because you can apply them to you daily sober life and grow from them. 
I am not saying the things people hallucinated are real, but I believe if someone sees an alien, angel, demon, symbols, etc, then they should research what those things might mean to them, because those symbols might be very beneficial to personal growth, and are coming from the deep recesses of the mind, and are probably of value.

I am not saying someone should run out and tell everyone that because Zathru warrior reptile appeared in their vision then it must be true:lol:, but perhaps someone should see what that might represent to themselves, and why it came to be in that persons life at that point in time.


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Re: Psychedelic Stigma; the Truth of Experience [Re: Lucis]
    #23979195 - 01/03/17 03:46 PM (7 years, 27 days ago)

I completely agree, what happens to you is real because it happened, it's not real in someone else's reality. It doesn't mean the same thing.

It's only real as we know real to be; a construct in your mind.

We are the creation of everything in existence.

Nothing is real. Our entire "existence" is a grandiose illusion. We are the veil which gives "life" to the illusion.

None of this is actually here without a conscious observer

It's all in your mind


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"In The Material World One seeks retirement and grows Old
In The Magical World One seeks Enlightenment and grows Wiser
In The Miraculous World One seeks nothing and grows Lighter
As we all tread the Homeward Path we will explore many Realms
And one day... we will all Realize that all experiences are Simply
Different ways in which The
All-That Is
Perceives Itself"


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