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Buster_Brown
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redgreenvines said: perfection is arbitrary perfect form is a lie
In examination, one may accept environmental vectors as 'whips' and parents wielding the whip over their child's education.
However the vector of vanity will object to the terminology due to the image of a mother whipping her children.
Indeed perfection may be a lie but the pursuit of justice may accept a woman's vanity and objection.
The vector of improved form then supplying notions of sugar-plums,lol.
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Buster_Brown
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I retract the argument in consideration that I stand to be held to similar arguments concerning etiquette.
On the face of it, it's natural to correct perceived deficiencies, but in concordance with doing unto others as I want done to myself I must desist.
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Tmethyl
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Very nice use of the English language Buster.
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RJ Tubs 202


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redgreenvines said:
perfection is arbitrary
Amen. Very well said . . . Perfection is a fantasy that will never reach fruition.
It's one way we employ self-hatred. This notion we're lacking and not good enough.
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sudly
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24080637 - 02/10/17 07:36 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why isn't it that we start off as babies and we mature to be able to defend for ourselves and provide our own resources.
I think it means we are good enough but we can always get better.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#24080654 - 02/10/17 07:43 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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What part of ourselves, exactly, can be "improved"?
Why do we insist on proclaiming change is qualitative in nature?
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sudly
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24081115 - 02/10/17 11:25 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Skill wise/ability wise. e.g. I don't know how to build a go kart but I can learn.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: Tmethyl]
#24081735 - 02/11/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tmethyl said: Very nice use of the English language Buster. 
I dreamed Ratatosk was pleased.
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The ego wants to attain..and so I say this..As a Grandmaster Freemason..
I am 33.379689471345689012389% imperfect!
other than that..the lack or suffering..or loss for example..each person has a bit of this in them..
otherwise everything would be perfect..
the reasons are otherwise abstruce?
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RJ Tubs 202


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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#24083429 - 02/11/17 10:53 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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sudly said:
Skill wise/ability wise. e.g. I don't know how to build a go kart but I can learn.
If you learn how to build a go-kart, have you really "improved" your self?
There're significant repercussions for adopting the belief we can improve ourselves.
The self-improvement project never ends. If we live to 110, we still have more to improve.
It's a deal with the Devil. If we believe we can improve, we believe we can worsen and deteriorate.
If you lose 10 pounds, it creates a positive feeling of success (improvement).
Then, if you gain 10 pounds, that creates a negative feeling of failure.
This perspective makes life an emotional roller-coaster (leads to anxiety/depression)
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24083503 - 02/11/17 11:47 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you learn how to build a go-kart, have you really "improved" your self?
That's a pretty sweet gain in my view.

What if you learned to build a tv or a radio? Did they "improve" anything? Has anyone ever made a difference in their own lives?
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#24083549 - 02/12/17 12:21 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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If I learned to build a new type of radio, did I "improve" anything? Even if I worked for Hitler?
Why do we label change "good" or "bad"? Isn't this the original sin?
Many claim this is a fundamental cause of suffering.
It is not my idea . . .
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24083561 - 02/12/17 12:29 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think the point is that we label it ourselves.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly] 1
#24083585 - 02/12/17 12:47 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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I agree. "Improvement" is what we decide it is. It is arbitrary.
But no matter our definition, it still comes with the downfalls.
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sudly
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24083608 - 02/12/17 01:11 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Like the effort of time management and such.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly] 1
#24087590 - 02/13/17 03:48 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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sudly said: Like the effort of time management and such.
I guess, what he meant is 'improvement' is like a tool. It can be used for good and bad. Improvement in itself is morally neutral.
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sudly
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#24087608 - 02/13/17 03:53 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's a thing for the individual. The idea is that you choose your own path and hopefully what you learn benefits you in life by teaching you valuable skills and knowledge.
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sudly
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#24101804 - 02/19/17 01:30 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said: I agree. "Improvement" is what we decide it is. It is arbitrary.
But no matter our definition, it still comes with the downfalls.
I thought improvement came from making your own decisions whether for better or worse, that's also a part of taking responsibility and awareness of one's self.
If so then arbitrary isn't universal.
Because the human nervous system is rational and reasoned. If you poison it, it won't respond well.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#24101813 - 02/19/17 01:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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BlueCoyote said:
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sudly said: Like the effort of time management and such.
I guess, what he meant is 'improvement' is like a tool. It can be used for good and bad. Improvement in itself is morally neutral.
Exactly.
A bank robber, stalker, rapist, or suicide-bomber can "improve" their methods.
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