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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#23984521 - 01/05/17 05:00 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Mind = brain and spinal cord (Central Nervous System) Body = everything outside brain and spinal cord (Peripheral Nervous System)
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#23984563 - 01/05/17 05:10 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: ... Mind loves to play with those concepts. ...
now you are using the term "Mind" to refer to self as in "I love to play with those concepts."
so too many words mean the same thing, or one or more of them are masking their meaning
eg is self == spirit == mind (and == body)?
or is each a completely different facet, and possible reflection of the others?
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#23985061 - 01/05/17 08:18 PM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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sudly said: Mind = brain and spinal cord (Central Nervous System) Body = everything outside brain and spinal cord (Peripheral Nervous System)

I think we are better off defining mind as the interaction between conscious meat and its environment. This makes sense colloquially. We commonly refer to my "mind being on something" or we tell people to "get your mind out of the gutter" etc. The brain and spinal cord can be considered the source of consciousness, but mind requires an environment.
Which begs the question can you be conscious without a mind? We talk a lot about "mindfulness" these days. Being mindful of our place in the world, relationships etc. We can be more or less mindful, but to be mindful in the first place you need a conscious piece of meat.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: blingbling]
#23985188 - 01/05/17 09:09 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I think we are better off defining mind as the interaction between conscious meat and its environment.
Fair enough.
Though I don't agree with your use of the term consciousness because by dictionary definition it means to be aware of one's environment.
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Consciousness: the state of being aware of and responsive to one's surroundings.
To add to that I think something can be conscious without having a conscience.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#23985206 - 01/05/17 09:16 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah maybe the dictionary definition is not the best for our purposes. To me consciousness is something biological, it can be taken away with drugs, a hard hit to the head etc. You can't really say the same about a mind. Sure you still need the conscious meat to have a mind, but I still think it is not the same thing. Mind is more like an event taking place between consciousness and the rest of reality.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: blingbling]
#23985246 - 01/05/17 09:29 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Truth ain't no democracy.
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redgreenvines said:
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BlueCoyote said: ... Mind loves to play with those concepts. ...
now you are using the term "Mind" to refer to self as in "I love to play with those concepts."
so too many words mean the same thing, or one or more of them are masking their meaning
eg is self == spirit == mind (and == body)?
or is each a completely different facet, and possible reflection of the others?
I guess the simplest explanation is that of condensed energy or coming from high frequency to lower frequency. Like, matter is condensed energy. Our brain might be an organ (physical) which due to its function (consciousness) reaches into the realm of the spirit (mind).
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#23985770 - 01/06/17 04:04 AM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#23988617 - 01/07/17 06:17 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Btw, you can see the body-mind duality also as a duality of existence and nonexistence. And since you like grafix, I show you three different ways, how this could relate to the material and spiritual realm in regards of existence and non-existence, so you can see the concept:


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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#23988667 - 01/07/17 07:06 AM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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perfection is arbitrary perfect form is a lie
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redgreenvines said: perfection is arbitrary perfect form is a lie
A lie aspires to perfection in a metaphor If a metaphor is a lie
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symbolic resonance (like metaphors) is not a lie, it is a link to something similar, links are not lies, but they are not truths either.
bridges are important joinings but they are not more truthful than just joining.
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Possibly; It's a stretch of the imagination to see the similarities between being strapped for cash and feeling needy enough to strap on a gun with the equivalent of being physically beaten, but the limitation of imagination is my own imperfection.
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even strapping on a gun, you are bound by the limits of physics, and the constraints of each situation, stretching the imagination is a matter of elongating the bridges that join similar ideas.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#23989842 - 01/07/17 03:24 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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BlueCoyote said: Btw, you can see the body-mind duality also as a duality of existence and nonexistence. And since you like grafix, I show you three different ways, how this could relate to the material and spiritual realm in regards of existence and non-existence, so you can see the concept:



Nonexistence is non-existent.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#23990796 - 01/07/17 08:20 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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It's lack of existence
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#23990834 - 01/07/17 08:33 PM (7 years, 23 days ago) |
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Personally I'm horrified by the suggestion my mind doesn't exist or is in a state where it lacks existence. If you really want to simplify dualism without going full tard then just say the world is explicit and objective while thoughts are implicit and subjective.
If you realise that the human brain and nervous system work on chemical and electrical signals then you cannot in good faith say the mind lacks existence.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#23991600 - 01/08/17 04:16 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Don't worry, even if the mind doesn't exist or you are out of it, or maybe lost it, you still have your brain and consciousness  Normally it's not an on-off condition for existence. It's most of the time a smooth gradual transition, or just partly lacking. That's where 'imperfection' stems from.
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: BlueCoyote]
#23991631 - 01/08/17 05:04 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Do you not see a correlation between the brain and the mind?
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Re: How 'imperfect' are you? [Re: sudly]
#23991781 - 01/08/17 08:10 AM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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Of course. A brain is needed to make us aware and conscious so we can delve into the concepts of the eternal. For us it seems as like with the development of our brain we developed all those concepts. Wrong. The concepts have been there all along already and we only start to discover them with the development of our brains
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