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TedTheHighlighter
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How does my plan sound?
#23971560 - 12/31/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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So I have plan for my first grow. It will be cubes and it may be a little complex for a first grow but I've been reading for a long time so I feel confident in myself. Some reasons I went with this plan include that I want to do an outdoor grow and I plan on doing an oyster grow with most of the same method.
So I'm going to start on agar with a MS syringe and do a couple plates. After they grow I'll transfer a wedge (or multiple wedges if that will speed up the process) to a quart jar with prepared grains. I'll wait for about 25% growth and then shake the jar. After full colonization I'll do a G2G transfer to maybe 4-6 new jars. After those colonize I'll spawn them to prepared straw in bread bags at about a 1:10 ratio. After those colonize, if everything will have worked out I will have several pounds of spawn that I will use to make outdoor patches using Moe's Tek (https://www.shroomery.org/8494/Moes-Outdoor-Growing-Tek).
Advice? Critiques? Sound good? Any feedback is appreciated
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tump
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Don't know about moe tek. But leading up to that sounds fair. I can tell you that bread bag straw logs work great. Might want make more then one batch of jars. Coir based trays or tubs are extreme contaminated resistant. If the straw fails because its not contam resistant. Please keep trying
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: tump]
#23972617 - 01/01/17 09:51 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Thanks tump, good stuff.
More input from others?
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enlightenment
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So I'm going to start on agar with a MS syringe and do a couple plates. After they grow I'll transfer a wedge (or multiple wedges if that will speed up the process) to a quart jar with prepared grains. I'll wait for about 25% growth and then shake the jar. After full colonization I'll do a G2G transfer to maybe 4-6 new jars.

1:10 is risky and takes some time to colonize. As tump wrote I would prefer to spawn to coir/vermiculite 80/20 and add some gypsum. If you want to have a good nutrient / water ratio, you should not go over 1:4.
But I have no experience with outdoor cubensis grows. My climate zone is far from optimal for Psi. cubensis.
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TedTheHighlighter
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enlightenment said:
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So I'm going to start on agar with a MS syringe and do a couple plates. After they grow I'll transfer a wedge (or multiple wedges if that will speed up the process) to a quart jar with prepared grains. I'll wait for about 25% growth and then shake the jar. After full colonization I'll do a G2G transfer to maybe 4-6 new jars.

1:10 is risky and takes some time to colonize. As tump wrote I would prefer to spawn to coir/vermiculite 80/20 and add some gypsum. If you want to have a good nutrient / water ratio, you should not go over 1:4.
But I have no experience with outdoor cubensis grows. My climate zone is far from optimal for Psi. cubensis.
Well I'm pretty set on doing straw logs. I've heard you can use a low spawn ratio for straw. Maybe 1:10 is too low but I thought I've read that that's fine. Also I plan to add gypsum to the grains when preparing them but I hadn't considered adding any in another stage
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azur
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TedTheHighlighter said:
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enlightenment said:
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So I'm going to start on agar with a MS syringe and do a couple plates. After they grow I'll transfer a wedge (or multiple wedges if that will speed up the process) to a quart jar with prepared grains. I'll wait for about 25% growth and then shake the jar. After full colonization I'll do a G2G transfer to maybe 4-6 new jars.

1:10 is risky and takes some time to colonize. As tump wrote I would prefer to spawn to coir/vermiculite 80/20 and add some gypsum. If you want to have a good nutrient / water ratio, you should not go over 1:4.
But I have no experience with outdoor cubensis grows. My climate zone is far from optimal for Psi. cubensis.
Well I'm pretty set on doing straw logs. I've heard you can use a low spawn ratio for straw. Maybe 1:10 is too low but I thought I've read that that's fine. Also I plan to add gypsum to the grains when preparing them but I hadn't considered adding any in another stage
Asking for imput and replying that you are gonna do what you want to do is a waste of energy. Just don't bother asking and do what you want. If I were asking for advice and enlightenment chimed in, I would not only listen, but I'd take notes as well.
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: azur]
#23972684 - 01/01/17 10:29 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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azur said: If I were asking for advice and enlightenment chimed in, I would not only listen, but I'd take notes as well.
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: mushboy]
#23972687 - 01/01/17 10:33 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: azur]
#23972855 - 01/01/17 12:03 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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azur said: Asking for imput and replying that you are gonna do what you want to do is a waste of energy. Just don't bother asking and do what you want. If I were asking for advice and enlightenment chimed in, I would not only listen, but I'd take notes as well.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to disregard someone trying to help me. I was a little confused at first by what enlightenment meant. I guess he meant that spawning to tubs is his preference, which I understand. Now, I'd rather do straw logs because of the low spawn ratio needed (unless I am wrong about this) and also because that's how I will be doing my gourmet grow. So that's my preference at the moment unless there is a problem with that plan (and I would certainly love to hear if there is).
Again, sorry, I'm not trying to disregard advice from respected growers
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azur
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A monotub will yield more than a cube straw log. Why not grow your gourmet on straw and cubes in a tub?
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: azur]
#23972964 - 01/01/17 12:55 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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azur said: A monotub will yield more than a cube straw log. Why not grow your gourmet on straw and cubes in a tub?
Well I'm not trying to get yields from the straw logs themselves. I'm just using the grains to spawn to the straw to get a bunch of mycelium that will be put in the ground later. I figure if I have, say, 5 colonized quart jars and I am trying to do an outdoor grow then I can maximize the grow by spawning the grains to straw (which can handle a low spawn ratio) and this will give me a lot more spawn. Even if I used monotubs they would still be put in the ground later. So I figure there's no difference except straw could yield me more spawn to put in the ground
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TedTheHighlighter
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Bump
Should I add more agar wedges to speed up colonization?
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MudaFuka
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Straw teks will tell you to use 1:10 because they are written with fast aggressive species like oysters in mind. 1:10 with cubs is a bad idea especially on a substrate as prone to contams as straw. I would never go less than 1:2 when spawning cubes to straw.
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: MudaFuka]
#23978011 - 01/03/17 05:37 AM (7 years, 27 days ago) |
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MudaFuka said: Straw teks will tell you to use 1:10 because they are written with fast aggressive species like oysters in mind. 1:10 with cubs is a bad idea especially on a substrate as prone to contams as straw. I would never go less than 1:2 when spawning cubes to straw.
Ahhhhh that makes a lot of sense. Thank you
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TedTheHighlighter
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Okay, now I understand the idea that I won't be able to spawn at a 1:10 ratio with straw (definitely glad I made this thread).
So MudaFuka said I shouldn't go less than 1:2. That sound right to everyone? Also, should I add multiple wedges from agar to speed up grain colonization? Any other advice or input? Anything is appreciated
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FunGuyZ
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I'd listen to Muda- he's given me nothing but good advice.
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: FunGuyZ]
#23982455 - 01/04/17 08:24 PM (7 years, 26 days ago) |
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Muda always giving out the golden info.. I think 1-2 is the best ratio for cubes
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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: How does my plan sound? [Re: keifnnugs]
#23983136 - 01/05/17 05:30 AM (7 years, 25 days ago) |
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Okay thanks, anything else?
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