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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23968673 - 12/30/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A person wouldn't be able to say a variety (whatever the outside of the syringe says) likes this or that because there are millions of possible strains in one syringe being any two single spores form a strain. But if you are using the term strain correctly as in an isolate being one single strain you very well could see differences like some performing better invitro or bottle tek than it does in monotubs,  others that prefer to be cased and some that hate it ect.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23968698 - 12/30/16 05:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pretty sure they are talking about strain as GT B+ etc as in variety which is what im saying makes no difference


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23968702 - 12/30/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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A person wouldn't be able to say a variety (whatever the outside of the syringe says) likes this or that because there are millions of possible strains in one syringe being any two single spores form a strain. But if you are using the term strain correctly as in an isolate being one single strain you very well could see differences like some performing better invitro or bottle tek than it does in monotubs,  others that prefer to be cased in monks and some that hate it ect.




Based on the posts I've read on this site over the years, a very small minority of people grow invitro as most either go with PF-Tek, monos or bottles like Muda's bottles in a monotub.  You very rarely see threads that even mention invitro and I think that's because it's hard to find the right genetics that will thrive invitro.  I was on a mission a few years ago to find a strain/culture/isolate that would do well invitro because I really prefer that style of growing mostly because I travel a lot and when you get the right invitro genetics, it requires almost no attention at all.  I went through at least a dozen multi-spore syringes / prints before I found a couple that consistently fruited well.  I can 100% guarantee you that you'll get much better multi-spore results with a PF-Tek grow or a monotub type grow with almost any multi spore start with the exception of just a few.  There was one very good thread a few years ago where this was the topic with primarily people that grew invitro and everyone said exactly the same that the search for the right genetics was HARDER, but worth it because once you find it, it's super easy to grow and ultra clean ... near sterile prints and clones.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23968717 - 12/30/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Pretty sure they are talking about strain as GT B+ etc as in variety which is what im saying makes no difference




I can almost guarantee you that if you start with B+ multi spore syringes from virtually any vendor, you will have a bitch of a time getting it to fruit well invitro.  Have tried it at least 3 times and had minimal success.  Same thing with PE6 and Golden Teachers.  Can't get them to fruit hardly at all invitro.  Still, I'm sure if I went through months and months of isolating pins I could get an isolate/strain from PE6 to fruit well invitro.  But it wouldn't be easy.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23968723 - 12/30/16 05:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I got loads of invitro fruits with gt from syringe :shrug: but if someone took the label off it could be any variety and thats my point no difference. I got invitro fruits from ape on cakes


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23968737 - 12/30/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I got loads of invitro fruits with gt from syringe :shrug: but if someone took the label off it could be any variety and thats my point no difference. I got invitro fruits from ape on cakes




WHAT exactly is an invitro grow with "cakes?"  Generally "cakes" refers to PF Tek style grows which isn't invitro. 

I find it somewhat perplexing that you seem to have a lot of experience growing invitro yet you were extremely critical of Violet who is probably the only person on the site that posts really solid invitro teks.  I wonder if invitro means the same thing to you that it does to me.  To me, you inoculate a bag or jar and it's not exposed to open air until it fruits and you pretty much pick the fruits.  Which invitro "tek" are you following?  Because I guarantee you, you won't really find one on this site with the exception of violet that is well used.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23968925 - 12/30/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If I was going to grow invitro I'd probably try this

Actually been meaning to give it a try but haven't gotten around to it, looks like fun


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23969978 - 12/31/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If I was going to grow invitro I'd probably try this

Actually been meaning to give it a try but haven't gotten around to it, looks like fun




Extremely good write-up, like everything PastyWhite does.  I would bet you, if you asked him, he's not getting that kind of yield with a run of the mill MS syringe from a sponsor ... No doubt those pictures are from a clone that he found works really well with bottles/invitro style growing. 

I've also found that working with an MS type that does decent invitro, then finding a good pin that does even better ... then taking a print from one of those fruits and growing it out ... after a few generations of this, you get almost as good of results from those prints as from clones.  It's as if the spores themselves adapt, after a few generations, to that growing method.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23970980 - 12/31/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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too many vectors for contams and failures for my liking



If you ask anyone of authority they'll confirm my methods have just about the fewest contam vectors possible. That's much of why they were designed. I would encourage you to take a second look


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: Violet]
    #23971025 - 12/31/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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too many vectors for contams and failures for my liking



If you ask anyone of authority they'll confirm my methods have just about the fewest contam vectors possible. That's much of why they were designed. I would encourage you to take a second look




I can absolutely attest to this.  I have taken pins from one her teks and literally put them right on grain and had them colonize without contamination.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23971135 - 12/31/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Great but as I said like 15 posts ago I dont wanna jack this thread with an arguement because my opinion is different to yours an arguement which youve continued so sorry OP. Violet vectors for contam may have been unfair I was going off something I read a while back but the picture in the link has a terrible yeild vs any other proven method so my point still stand if they were better teks in any way they would be the standard tek. I judge with what I see not what someone babbles on about to me and recomminding a tek to a noob that then turns out you need agar knowledge and be able to test and identify isolates and shit to get teks to actually work is retarded (im going of an earlier post made that said to get good results you need to find such a thing) I appreciate that if you know what your doing you can make shit work but when your noob you need shit to sort of work for you.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23971193 - 12/31/16 03:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You can believe what you will, but I could easily correct most of those points and beliefs with similarly simple clarifications as the one before. Suffice it to say you're under a lot of false impressions, and I'll reiterate that I encourage you to take another look before you spread that opinion


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23971196 - 12/31/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Don't really appreciate guys who didn't have any influence with my grow / who didn't bother to post to help, just randomly show up hijack my thread and argue... I'm new and trying to Learn and didn't appreciate reading two pages of unhelpful non related bullshit... Lol.

To anyone else who has helped me thus far, thank you :smile:

Here are some pictures from today of my current fruits / flush. I'm really disappointed my second flush on this one cake has only produced ONE mushroom... Not even any aborts or anything on it, is that normal or pretty odd/rare to happen? It was dunked for 24 hours .(Also its first flush was 3.2G)

This pic was taken Thursday, oddly only has one mushroom:




This other  cake I'm actually very happy with :smile:





Out of curiosity , why is it on that last picture , the left side of the cakes mushrooms are all white/albino looking , and the other side the caps look nice and brown? Are the ones on the right just healthier or something ? Just asking a lot of questions cause I want to learn as much as I can :smile:

I'm currently in the hospital, I'm only 26 and I'm told I have the heart of a 50 year old, and that I have a leaking heart valve and that I was born with 2 of 3 of my heart flaps fused together :/ . They said I will need heart surgery eventually to get my valve changed .. Pretty shitty news .. I've had chest pain for the last month straight , good thing I came in for a heart ultrasound . Wish me luck guys... Hope I don't drop dead.. Got a wife and 18 month old kid to take care of.

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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: Violet]
    #23971202 - 12/31/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Mazar said from the start he didn't wanna hijack my thread which I appreciate .. So whomever continues to post with nothing helpful/ with no relevance to my log, no offence but please fuck off.... Thanks.

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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: patcorr_2001]
    #23971204 - 12/31/16 03:51 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Those "white" caps are a genetic mutation, we call them leucistic.  They're not any more or less healthy.
That's multispore for you. Some cakes will be great, others poor, and they'll have a mix of appearances even on the same cake.

Best of luck with your health issues, that sounds serious!


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: Violet]
    #23971225 - 12/31/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hey mate, what type of vermiculite are you using? Everytime I see pics of cakes with that type of verm the pinning is poor.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: Violet]
    #23971237 - 12/31/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Ahh man thats fucking terrible to hear about your health hopefully shrooms can give you much needed relaxment (dont think thats a word but you get what I mean). Yeah ive had cakes that have had a mad first flush then a second flush with a few massive shrooms but overall less fruit. It doesnt really matter as weight is weight whether 20 1g shrooms or 1 20g shroom you still got 20g.
Violet I will have a read through im sorry I slated you the way I did it was unfair I was basing my thoughts on things ive read people say most of whom dont seem to be around anymore. No hate x


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23971293 - 12/31/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Good luck with your health ... Glad you at least found out about it in time.  Sorry to have contributed to detouring your thread.

Peace in 2017 ...


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23971303 - 12/31/16 04:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say those are lighter color due to dryness rather than leucistic, the cap is even cracking.


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Re: Second Grow attemp ever, experienced shroomery users help please! [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23971558 - 12/31/16 06:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The cracking is likely also a byproduct of different genes. Some just do that. They're in the same conditions and the difference is too stark just to be dryness. Check out the different style of "fuzzy feet" too - the genetic difference is immense


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