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Quadman
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Do your jars shake easily?
#23970875 - 12/31/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Well I have had trouble shaking jars . Clumps that just don't want to break up. The last batch was run late at night and i was beat ,so they were left to be shook in the morning. My hands don't work well and these jars weren't cooperating. Idea the microwave. My lids are plastic so I just zapped them on high for 1 min and they broke up in a couple of shakes. Super easy.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Quadman]
#23970911 - 12/31/16 02:05 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I've never had an issue, and I don't even use gypsum, but gypsum helps with them not clumping
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Quadman]
#23970914 - 12/31/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Sounds like you might be cooking to long and getting starches releasing.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: HighValley]
#23971545 - 12/31/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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If I over fill my jars they are near impossible to shake. I just let them colonize and break the grain up with a spoon when I'm adding to the substrate. I do have some big clumps in a couple of my jars right now that I can't seem to get broken up. I'll just let the clumps be and shake the rest. It's all still colonizing good though so it doesn't seem to interfere too bad.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Snagman17]
#23971585 - 12/31/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I really didn't intend for this to be a critique of my grain skills. It is just a tip to make jars easy to shake. I have read many times of people beating jars on tires and with phone books. Some of them even broke jars.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Quadman]
#23971746 - 12/31/16 08:08 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I never have to beat my jars unless they are fully colonized spawn.Perfectly prepped grains don't normally clump. Ever since I tried chefs way of grain prep it's been smooth sailing. I've really been wanting to try growers no cook 20 hour soak..supposedly some great results there.
but yea.. a pinch of gypsum in each jar has always helped me with clumping.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: MycoFlora]
#23973651 - 01/01/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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About. 1 cup of gypsum stirred in the soak water for the grains. Don't rinse the grains just drain the water and let sit in a strainer for a few hours then fill jars about 2/3rds full.
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flyontoast
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: MycoFlora]
#23987769 - 01/06/17 08:58 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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MycoFlora said: Ever since I tried chefs way of grain prep it's been smooth sailing. I've really been wanting to try growers no cook 20 hour soak..supposedly some great results there.
What is chef's method? There's no tek and he doesn't have it in his profile.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: flyontoast]
#23987837 - 01/06/17 09:25 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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flyontoast said:
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MycoFlora said: Ever since I tried chefs way of grain prep it's been smooth sailing. I've really been wanting to try growers no cook 20 hour soak..supposedly some great results there.
What is chef's method? There's no tek and he doesn't have it in his profile.
It may not quite be his 'method' per se, but the part that I picked up on was he did no soak, straight to boiling grain for maybe 5 mins, then immediately taking off heat and let it sit covered for about 15 mins.
There's nothing really al that different about it other than the short boil time and time it sits covered afterwards. Never have any burst grains, clumping etc. Perfect grain everytime.
He and lipa also describe measuring a certain amount of grain and water and doing a 'fractional' steam at 5 or 10 psi to hydrate then taking it back out to load and sterilize.
I'll try to find that thread somewhere...
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: MycoFlora]
#23987919 - 01/06/17 09:57 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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MycoFlora said:
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flyontoast said:
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MycoFlora said: Ever since I tried chefs way of grain prep it's been smooth sailing. I've really been wanting to try growers no cook 20 hour soak..supposedly some great results there.
What is chef's method? There's no tek and he doesn't have it in his profile.
It may not quite be his 'method' per se, but the part that I picked up on was he did no soak, straight to boiling grain for maybe 5 mins, then immediately taking off heat and let it sit covered for about 15 mins.
There's nothing really al that different about it other than the short boil time and time it sits covered afterwards. Never have any burst grains, clumping etc. Perfect grain everytime.
He and lipa also describe measuring a certain amount of grain and water and doing a 'fractional' steam at 5 or 10 psi to hydrate then taking it back out to load and sterilize.
I'll try to find that thread somewhere...
Thanks. They both discuss those things in these 2 threads: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17432893/fpart/1/vc/1 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20037587#20037587
But the convo is kind of fractured so I was double checking that it wasn't consolidated somewhere else in a different form. You kind of did that, so thanks
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Quadman]
#23987927 - 01/06/17 10:05 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Hit your jars against a bike tire always helps
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Forrester
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Sorry if I missed it, but what species are we talking here? Timing is everything, for some.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Forrester]
#23987973 - 01/06/17 10:21 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Well I was just putting that out their I've dealt with plenty strains and I also use gypsum I think like in the previous post it's all about timing waiting to long makes it harder to shake it needs one good shake at 30%
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Forrester
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BoomerTrooper said: Well I was just putting that out their I've dealt with plenty strains and I also use gypsum I think like in the previous post it's all about timing waiting to long makes it harder to shake it needs one good shake at 30%
Absolutely agree. Gypsum for sure. And species makes a huge difference. With say, reishi, one day too late and it's over-colonized and extremely difficult to deal with. Most other species are more forgiving, with maybe a week's window, or even more for some. And as mentioned, grain prep can make a big difference.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Forrester]
#23988037 - 01/06/17 10:44 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Rate me brother new account on the site lol
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Forrester]
#23988042 - 01/06/17 10:47 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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Yeah pretty much both are comments sum it up
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Forrester
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BoomerTrooper said: Rate me brother new account on the site lol
Haha, done and done, ya deserved it, and welcome to the site! Hope ya stick around to share more.
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Forrester]
#23988064 - 01/06/17 10:53 PM (7 years, 24 days ago) |
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I here to stay been studying mycology for 5 years I love to share my knowledge and I will once I figure out how to use the site lol
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: MycoFlora]
#23992841 - 01/08/17 03:56 PM (7 years, 22 days ago) |
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MycoFlora said:
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flyontoast said:
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MycoFlora said: Ever since I tried chefs way of grain prep it's been smooth sailing. I've really been wanting to try growers no cook 20 hour soak..supposedly some great results there.
What is chef's method? There's no tek and he doesn't have it in his profile.
It may not quite be his 'method' per se, but the part that I picked up on was he did no soak, straight to boiling grain for maybe 5 mins, then immediately taking off heat and let it sit covered for about 15 mins.
There's nothing really al that different about it other than the short boil time and time it sits covered afterwards. Never have any burst grains, clumping etc. Perfect grain everytime.
He and lipa also describe measuring a certain amount of grain and water and doing a 'fractional' steam at 5 or 10 psi to hydrate then taking it back out to load and sterilize.
I'll try to find that thread somewhere...
Soaking is a waste of time in my opinion. Again, just my opinion. I put 1 cup of rye berries in a quart jar, 1 tsp of gypsum, 2/3 cups water, stir it up a bit, and PC 90 min at 15psi. Perfect.
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It also depends on the grain. I have no problem shaking most grain with my oysters, but on popcorn the mycelium seems to cocoon the grain and I have to work at it a lot more.
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Forrester
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Jim Morrison said: Soaking is a waste of time in my opinion. Again, just my opinion. I put 1 cup of rye berries in a quart jar, 1 tsp of gypsum, 2/3 cups water, stir it up a bit, and PC 90 min at 15psi. Perfect.
That's wonderful for rye, but doesn't work for all grains. Ever tried it with millet? You'll end up with a complete mush at the bottom as it gets severely boiled before all the water turns to steam.
That method would probably work great for rye, oats, and barley (which is an awesome spawn btw), but I wouldn't use it for smaller grains.
Although if anyone gets it to work, let me know how ya did it!
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: Forrester]
#23997117 - 01/10/17 01:06 AM (7 years, 21 days ago) |
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Yes every time I've tried the no cook method I end up with a heap of mushy grain. Never been able to really dial it in. I know there's a few peeps on here that swear by it. different strokes for different folks
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Re: Do your jars shake easily? [Re: MycoFlora]
#23997968 - 01/10/17 11:44 AM (7 years, 20 days ago) |
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I do the cook method myself in my opinion it's about knowing your grains I had that issue when I used to leave my rye over the time limit don't over soak them or add to much gypsum
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