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spirit_shadow
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This is a very simple question.
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ModestMouse
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Itd be selfish not to
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spirit_shadow
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Thats how I see it but im a curious person so I would like to see other opinions on the matter.
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Easyriding123
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Ya gotta let em croak if they wanna croak ya know what I'm saying?
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PatrickKn


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Hospitals and nursing homes ask the same question, have you sign something expressing your decision and respect the person's decision. If someone is on hospice and doesn't want to be recovered, they aren't.
So yes, respect their last wish.
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It's their choice. Someone that wouldn't honor it is a truly disrespectful person
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Repertoire89
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Of course, I dont want to die in a hospital with people shimmying about yelling and flashing lights in my eyes either
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Reprobate420
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Of course. Love > Reason
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Obamalogna
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this is a tough question. I feel like this is a situational type thing. For example, if my buddy was overdosing but didn't want me to get him help because he was afraid of getting busted/ect. In that instance I might call the ambulance against his wishes. If it was my senile old grandmother, then I wouldn't. I wish you the best
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Circumstances are pretty importAnt here, but if I cared about them I would certainly do everything I could to help them
Regardless of their shame guilt or pride. Whatever their diversion is I would do my best
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spirit_shadow
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Circumstances are these:
1. This person is top 3 on the planet if you had to have a rating system.
2. Person is dying (does not matter how)
3. Their last wish is for you to let them die without doing anything to help.
Could you follow that instruction?
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I used to believe in respecting someone's wish to end their own life from my own experience but now that experience has evolved to an understanding that life can change. I feel that anyone of any age can get out of that mindset and suicidal idealizations. I don't believe that government, federal or state, should impose or legislate laws and/or laws that can/will "help" those who want to end their li(ves)fe. I feel it should be left to personal relationships in a personal manner in their lives. It's hard I know but there should be intervention at the very least. Perhaps a divine intervention that had been made clear under the influence of love and/or LSD. If that person still wants to die under the influence of logic and love then I say let it happen,
It's still hard because the people involved are still liable. It's just hard. I feel it should be a family/friend matter and completely outside of the federal and state government until it comes to the paperwork.
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There are more circumstances where Id leave someone for dead despite their pleas, than there are circumstances where I would drag someone to a hospital against their will
The wounds would have to be treatable with a great deal of certainty, with the person delirious enough for me to discount their acceptance of death. So maybe something like dragging someone with a broken leg and fever off a mountain, or the drug situation mentioned above. Those kind of situations are pretty far and between.
For the most part, if someone doesnt want to go I wouldnt force the issue.
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Shiithead said:
It's still hard because the people involved are still liable. It's just hard. I feel it should be a family/friend matter and completely outside of the federal and state government until it comes to the paperwork.
There are good reasons for the state to be involved, otherwise it makes murdering someone by confining them from medical treatment very easy. Our justice system is fucked though, we need to reform it from top to bottom, laws on paper and procedures in action, accountability and qualifications.
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Hate to spout the usual rhetoric but the justice system wont be fixed until we end the war on drugs. Its a breech of mankinds fundamental right to possess their body and has since its inception been a massive failure and persisting injustice. You talk about building the system from scratch, thats a big one right off the bat that needs tackled.
This limited possesion of your own flesh is only taken further when you deny someone the choice to end their life.
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Poll invalid. I am Sir Tokes A Lot
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Quote:
ModestMouse said: Hate to spout the usual rhetoric but the justice system wont be fixed until we end the war on drugs. Its a breech of mankinds fundamental right to possess their body and has since its inception been a massive failure and persisting injustice. You talk about building the system from scratch, thats a big one right off the bat that needs tackled.
In my eyes prohibition is public enemy number one in the west, it gluts the prison and welfare systems, spreads violence and fear, interferes with medical practices, gluts healthcare costs, feeds corruption, and more. Millions are persecuted without cause, there is no justice while the war on drugs rolls on.
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PatrickKn


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But the children.
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If they're definitely dying then yes, of course. If there's a strong chance that their life could be saved, I'd be incredibly pissed off at them for asking me not to try and save their life. Most likely, I would still try and save their life, even if it meant accepting their hatred of me from then on out.
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spirit_shadow
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Chakra Shock said: If they're definitely dying then yes, of course. If there's a strong chance that their life could be saved, I'd be incredibly pissed off at them for asking me not to try and save their life. Most likely, I would still try and save their life, even if it meant accepting their hatred of me from then on out.
What is your reasoning behind this? Im not judging, im just curious.
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yes
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If it's so simple why's there no fucking stal?!
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Chakra Shock
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spirit_shadow said:
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Chakra Shock said: If they're definitely dying then yes, of course. If there's a strong chance that their life could be saved, I'd be incredibly pissed off at them for asking me not to try and save their life. Most likely, I would still try and save their life, even if it meant accepting their hatred of me from then on out.
What is your reasoning behind this? Im not judging, im just curious.
We are all an example for each other, we're role models simply for what it means to be alive, and I believe that every life is precious, and every human life is an opportunity for the cosmic consciousness to fully realize itself, which is something that I would never want to see anyone throw away. If someone could be saved, like clearly a doctor could just stitch em up and they say 'naw, let me die' i'd be pissed off. It's like they're saying life isn't worth it, that everyone who ever did something on their behalf was just wasting their time.
There are always exceptions to that rule, like if someone is in immense pain, or has a chronic condition. I'm talking about a niche hypothetical where someone is basically in good health and then just has an accident but doesn't want to saved even though they could be. It's not that I think people should be forced to live against their will, simply that having the will to live is a positive thing and should be encouraged at all cost. If someone really could be saved, then I would go ahead and try and save them.
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