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Noahr66
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why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time)
#23970585 - 12/31/16 11:57 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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thursday night at 8, I took a tab of acid; it had no taste and was on a tiny piece of blotter, so I'm sure it was real LSD. the come up was very uncomfortable in ways, as there was this nagging feeling in my chest that I had to do something to satisfy a "need", but i couldn't figure out what it was.. it became a painful feeling in my chest, but this went away when the peak started. during the peak, I began having somewhat mild visuals, but I was still capable of doing things. my brother came over during my peak, around 11:30, and after half an hour of speculation, took a tab. AFTER HE TOOK THE TAB HE STARTED ASKING WHAT IT WOULD BE LIKE. In my opinion this was his first mistake as I had spent months of research on LSD before considering doing it. He had told me he'd read up on it some the night before, but actually had lied. After I told him how i felt he decided that wasn't what he wanted, and went to sleep all through the come up.
He woke up during the very end of the come up, and started complaining that it wasn't fucking him up in the way he wanted. My brother was under the impression that it would send him into an unworldly trip, where he had no control over what happened, and he was disappointed that it hadn't done that. While I was expecting bigger visuals than what I got also, it completely broke down barriers in my mind so that I wasn't disappointed; although the only visuals I got were brightness coming in and out of focus on objects, small things like smudges in the mirror became patterns and heiroglyphics, and some small things like wrinkles in my blanket and sheets would get big, and then get small. also my ceiling looked bejeweled.
His peak began around 2 hours after taking it, he slept for an hour and a half. he felt that "need" that he had to satisfy also, and he felt like ripping up things, breaking things and ripping up t shirts would satisfy it. while that feeling went away when my peak started, it lasted through his whole peak. he had more visuals than me, saying flat surfaces weren't flat anymore, and while he noticed like me that the LSD had broken down mental barriers, unlike me he came to the conclusion that it had broken down physical barriers too. he said that he didn't think he would be able to do well in his college physics class anymore because LSD had shown him that there are no real physical laws in the world.
It got a little frightening for me when he started saying that because physical barriers were broken, he wanted to jump through a wall on the 3rd story of the building, and he was completely confident he would break through the wall, and land on the ground perfectly okay. he had other delusion that were just as, if not more troubling. Even though I tried to reassure him that that was not true and it was all in his mind, it took about a half hour of explaining for him to start beleiving me.
Next time I do it, I am planning to do 2 tabs, as I had perfect control of myself the whole time, and want to get even deeper in my mind than what I did. He told me that next time he does it he wants to take 3, because he wants to be completely out of this world "fucked up". It somewhat bothered me that the only purpose he saw in it was to get fucked up, and considering the delusions he got on 1 tab, I'm not completely sure if anymore would even be safe for him. If he were to do say 2 tabs of the same strength, would I still be able to convince him that he was in an extremely altered state like I was able to this time? He wanted to do more so badly that I could see myself in the future saying fuck it and letting him, but only if I know he would be safe.
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: Noahr66]
#23970598 - 12/31/16 12:04 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I wouldn't give it to him if there were any question that he would be a threat to himself. It would just make me worry the whole time about him, go do acid with someone who is more experienced. Thing is if he is set on dropping he may be able to get the acid himself. If he just wants to get fucked up he should just use weed.
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Noahr66
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23970609 - 12/31/16 12:09 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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See, I've given him weed before too, he's gotten shitfaced drunk, but he says it still isn't the kind of "fucked up" he wants. He said he wanted to trip to the point that he was in a whole other world, or literally "saw the face of god" as he put it.
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: Noahr66]
#23970628 - 12/31/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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do you have access to smokable dmt, he could probably get where he wants with that and it only lasts 10 minutes so he wouldn't be a threat to himself. IDK, seems like ur brother wants to go too far with them too quickly which could lead to a bad trip. you are the best judge of this situation, he's your brother.
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: ergoticmandala]
#23970661 - 12/31/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I don't think your brothers intentions are wrong, but I agree with mandala, he's rushing into things, not being mindful, and that could go very badly. From your description it seems obvious to me that he was already in that territory and stressing out over it. Perhaps he's just not good at communicating, 'fucked up' is a pretty ambiguous phrase which I don't like using, or also consider that maybe even he was totally fine but that it's your perception and interpretation of his experience. It sounds like he did have some insights and he's not necessarily delusioned, the laws of physics are not necessarily true after all, they're just the best description we have, but if he was serious about exploring it as an initial test it would not be wise to jump off the third story. At least start on the ground and work your way up rofl.
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: Noahr66]
#23970686 - 12/31/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Get a new brother.
Lol jk but seriously, how can someone who studies physics be so damn stupid? Keep that crazy fuck away from LSD, he probably needs something a little more structured and ontological like shrooms. He really needs to shape up and probably deserves a spanking from the universe.
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Noahr66
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: krypto2000]
#23970687 - 12/31/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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by what he said about what he meant by "fucked up", he said during the trip that he wants "to be like a basketball, being dribbled and thrown around the court without control over where I went. I want to be so fucked up that I can't control what happens or where I go."
I said "wouldn't you rather be the player, and control where you go? that's what I'd want."
he said no.
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: Noahr66]
#23970694 - 12/31/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Noahr66 said: He said he wanted to trip to the point that he was in a whole other world, or literally "saw the face of god" as he put it.
Well that doesn't even exist so too bad for him. Drugs that are that powerful don't "fuck you up"
There's a HUGE difference between tripping and being just fucked up on drugs. Tripping isn't an intoxication so he's looking in all the wrong places. Blame pop culture for misrepresenting how psychedelic trips actually work. Seriously, you need to tell him psychedelics don't "fuck you up" like people say they do in the movies they just give consciousness expansion and some other interesting things. What your brother is looking for doesn't exist.
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Noahr66
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23970697 - 12/31/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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lol thats what I was kind of thinking, LSD opened my mind so much and absolutely broke down these barriers that some I didn't even know were there. thats why it bothered me so much that the only point he saw in it was to get wrecked, because what I figured with LSD was that if you do it irresponsibly like he did/ wants to, it's just asking for a very, very bad time. It's almost like a slap in the face to your mind, saying "I don't care about you, I just want to get wrecked and fucked up beyond measure."
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: Noahr66]
#23970702 - 12/31/16 12:57 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Yea seems like if it's true and this guy wants to just be taken a long for a ride then without any control DMT or mushrooms could probably be good for him. Maybe it will make him see his own stubbornness more clearly as well.
Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (12/31/16 12:57 PM)
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Noahr66
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
#23970747 - 12/31/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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And I did neglect to mention that his mind definitely WAS expanded, although he was in the end of his peak when he started to appreciate that. where he has always had a vocal sense of being "better than everyone else", even me, he came to accept that some people are just different, and live differently than him; it doesn't mean that he's any better than them. Also, where I've always liked 60s and 70s music and culture a lot, and he loved the pop culture of today, he was looking at a "rock n roll theater" poster on my wall, with almost every rock star on it, and said "wow. Noah, these people all had such culture to them.. they lived life with a purpose, enjoying it and not giving a fuck about what other people thought... today there's no meaning or culture to anything, I feel bad for supporting it for so long." He pointed at jerry garcia, asked who he was, and said something about him just made him feel good, and said he looked like the most respectable guy on there. He said "just looking at all these people makes me want to cry"
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Noahr66
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: Noahr66]
#23970788 - 12/31/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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thats the poster also, it's a pretty great poster lol
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Re: why did me and my brother have very different experiences on LSD? (first time) [Re: Noahr66]
#23970876 - 12/31/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I don't know, he sounds okay to me, and based on what you said it does sound like a good trip is exactly what he's looking for. There's sure a point where you get taken to places beyond your control. I agree with Aurora that mushrooms might be better at that, but LSD can do it too. Stress that he should do some more research though, it can be pretty traumatizing, it's not like a trip to disney world or overseas, it's more like a trip through space and time. There's some things you can't unsee and can be hard for the mind to process and accept.
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