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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23968276 - 12/30/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok cool! So you are well informed! That's awesome!

I do see your point. But I don't think it's a super race myself, I think it is the biblical battle of good and evil manifesting itself just as the Holy Bible says it will.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23968338 - 12/30/16 02:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I completely agree they are a bunch of bafoons hahaha! But have you studied the hierarchy and methods of influence of Illuminati and New World Order?

As for the new technology point...they don't control innovation but they do hijack it. The three people you listed are all Bilderbergers, they all meet up coordinate and plan, adapting their agenda to the new variables.

Gates, and Jobs are eugenists, they want population control, they believe in agenda 21 and in the illuminati/NWO...I dont know enough about buffet but it wouldn't surprise me to see him affiliated.

The Royal Family definitely views themselves as some kind of super race





I went through about a 5 year period of serious deep diving into all that stuff .. Illuminati, Bilderbergers ... Counsel of 300, Bohemian Grove ... Templars ... Christ's genealogy ... all of it...

I came out the other side believing that these guys at the top suffer from all the problems all other organizations do ... finding and keeping good people ... turf wars ... power struggles, leaking of info, inability to keep that cats herded, etc.  The only possible way there's some kind of uber control is if there truly is a master race, far advanced technologically and mentally, maybe a breakaway group of humans that have been in control for thousands of years, that simply have control of incarnation, and can hijack who is born into which families.

Without that, I think the belief that there's an uber government is sketchy.  The British Royal family at the top is kinda laughable to me.  They're inept and suffer from generations of inbreeding ... not a lot of wattage in that lineage.





That's totally right. Those at the top are just as fallible and human as the rest of us. Humans are not competent enough to pull off a major, dastardly conspiracy worth a shit. Everything is too chaotic and unpredictable. There are common interests influencing things to try to maintain the status quo as much as possible, but it isn't fancy. It's stupid to blame everything on the rich, anyway. It's on all of us. The top didn't elect Trump, for example.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23968365 - 12/30/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Peteyboy said:
Ok cool! So you are well informed! That's awesome!

I do see your point. But I don't think it's a super race myself, I think it is the biblical battle of good and evil manifesting itself just as the Holy Bible says it will.




If you read Genesis, the bible is very clear that there are super races on this planet and there is a battle between them.  Satan is/was an advanced being that came to earth and many others came too ... Angels ... demons ... these are super advanced races/beings according to the bible, aren't they?


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23968369 - 12/30/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No the top definitely didn't elect Trump. The American people did including myself and I'm proud of what he's done so far. Just look at how the "status quo" elite have been freaking out.

I'm not blaming "everything" on the "rich", that's far too much generalization.

I am blaming the problems that social engineering has caused on those that have been making the decisions to take the cicilised western societies in the direction that they have chosen. Those people just happen to also be "rich"


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23968372 - 12/30/16 03:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That's totally right. Those at the top are just as fallible and human as the rest of us. Humans are not competent enough to pull off a major, dastardly conspiracy worth a shit. Everything is too chaotic and unpredictable. There are common interests influencing things to try to maintain the status quo as much as possible, but it isn't fancy. It's stupid to blame everything on the rich, anyway. It's on all of us. The top didn't elect Trump, for example.




Couldn't agree more ... however, there are some super smart sub groups that collude for a time in the pursuit of self interest and then dissolve or suffer from just loss of effectiveness through family generations ... money moves, reforms ... new alliances ... power struggles ...

I think we reflect nature.  It's survival of the fittest but we compete on a more intellect oriented level.  Cream rises to the top but power structure do try to stop that and protect their turf ... in the end, though ... the smart beat out the rest.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Peteyboy]
    #23968384 - 12/30/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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No the top definitely didn't elect Trump. The American people did including myself and I'm proud of what he's done so far. Just look at how the "status quo" elite have been freaking out.

I'm not blaming "everything" on the "rich", that's far too much generalization.

I am blaming the problems that social engineering has caused on those that have been making the decisions to take the cicilised western societies in the direction that they have chosen. Those people just happen to also be "rich"




The rich on this planet have ALWAYS wanted a dependent servant class ... that's critical to their wealth generation.  They DON'T want equality because that reduces their power.  But that's not a conspiracy, it's just the way we are ... Animals, for the most part, don't "share power" as there are leaders and subservient ... why would we be any different?

Trump, IMHO, is a con man, marketing genius kind of person that appeals to a pretty big group that doesn't trust government or most institutions anymore.  Will Trump deliver on his promises?  We'll see.  And, let's not forget, HIllary was probably the worst candidate in history so that's a big reason why he won. 

Politicians have been making excuses for the poor, unmotivated and violent for far too long in search of votes and it has come full circle.  Trump is kind of seen as the "you're fired" guy that's bringing a day of reckoning.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23968538 - 12/30/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If the UN did a better job protecting people and organisms, there wouldn't be mass extinctions.




The UN doesn't have any power over the multinational world we live in. National leaders are not subordinate to the UN and do whatever they want.

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As for the wealth inequality.  If people actually had control of their governing system they could appropriate funds however they wish.




Since lower taxes attract businesses and rich people, there is a competition among countries to have the lowest taxes. If countries put too high taxes on the rich people, the rich people just move to other countries which have less taxes for the rich people.

Yeah.. the multinational world is really benefiting you ordinary working people. Nope. Sorry. It is benefiting the super rich people.

A world government that implemented the same taxes everywhere on the planet, would be a nightmare for the super rich people.

But of course. You ordinary working people, are super eager to protect the power structure of the super rich people.

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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
    #23968545 - 12/30/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The UN doesn't have any power over the multinational world we live in. National leaders are not subordinate to the UN and do whatever they want.

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This is true.  What the UN does have is International Law and there is some impact on that with sanctions, economic restrictions, access to capital, etc.

For the most part, though, the UN is just a big microphone that gives leaders a stage to make big speeches at that have more impact at home as they throw some elbows at the international community than any real impact.  It's a stage for them to show their own country they're relevant when, in fact, they have very little global power.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23968948 - 12/30/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No one is manning the ship,
the higher up you go the more empty it gets.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23970240 - 12/31/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
No one is manning the ship,
the higher up you go the more empty it gets.




My take is there are a lot of "ships" at the top ... not just one.  And those ships are not on the same page at all.  To us, it might appear there is more cooperation at the top than there truly is. 

The notion that a "ruling family" could keep it together century after century with the natural degrading of skills and motivation and desire from one generation to the next is, at least to me, very unrealistic.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23970289 - 12/31/16 09:47 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
No one is manning the ship,
the higher up you go the more empty it gets.




My take is there are a lot of "ships" at the top ... not just one.  And those ships are not on the same page at all.  To us, it might appear there is more cooperation at the top than there truly is. 

The notion that a "ruling family" could keep it together century after century with the natural degrading of skills and motivation and desire from one generation to the next is, at least to me, very unrealistic.




But why wouldn't you want to have a democratically elected world leader, instead of multiple super rich families that haven't been democratically elected?

Today, with so much of the world population online, it wouldn't necessarily be an impossibility for people to vote online for a world leader. Especially with biometric identification (fingerprint and iris scanners) to prevent cheating.

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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
    #23970304 - 12/31/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Zanthius said:
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KauaiOrca said:
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The Blind Ass said:
No one is manning the ship,
the higher up you go the more empty it gets.




My take is there are a lot of "ships" at the top ... not just one.  And those ships are not on the same page at all.  To us, it might appear there is more cooperation at the top than there truly is. 

The notion that a "ruling family" could keep it together century after century with the natural degrading of skills and motivation and desire from one generation to the next is, at least to me, very unrealistic.




But why wouldn't you want to have a democratically elected world leader, instead of multiple super rich families that haven't been democratically elected?

Today, with so much of the world population online, it wouldn't necessarily be an impossibility for people to vote online for a world leader. Especially with biometric identification (fingerprint and iris scanners) to prevent cheating.




World leader as in one person has control of the global military?  I don't like that idea at all.  I'd like to see something more like global CRITERIA to be leaders of nation states so that we can weed out the corrupt, violent, psychopathic leaders before they ever get into power.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23970313 - 12/31/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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World leader as in one person has control of the global military?




Ehhh.. You realize that if there is one world leader, we don't necessarily need ANY military, just police. Who would be the enemy? Aliens from Mars?

It is much more dangerous to have multiple superpowers that are competing to get the most dangerous nuclear weapons. The reason why the US has so much military is because of Russia and China. The reason why Russia has so much military is because of the US and China. The reason why China has so much military is because of US and Russia. We have a lot of super dangerous nuclear weapons today, because we don't have a world government. Nuclear weapons wouldn't make any sense for a world government. Why would the police need nuclear weapons?

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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
    #23970328 - 12/31/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
World leader as in one person has control of the global military?




Ehhh.. You realize that if there is one world leader, we don't necessarily need ANY military, just police. Who would be the enemy? Aliens from Mars?

It is much more dangerous to have multiple superpowers that are competing to get the most dangerous nuclear weapons. The reason why the US has so much military is because of Russia and China. The reason why Russia has so much military is because of the US and China. The reason why China has so much military is because of US and Russia. We have a lot of super dangerous nuclear weapons today, because we don't have a world government. Nuclear weapons wouldn't make any sense for a world government. Why would the police need nuclear weapons?




Not trying to be a dick here, but do you really thing all the humans on this planet, all the highly motivated "I want to be the leader" type psychopaths we have are simply going to submit to a global government?

Call it military or police, either way, you're going to have to fight those people and groups into submission.  It ain't gonna be a cum by ya gathering when a global leader is selected.  There will be dozens if not hundreds of groups organizing to overthrow it on day one.

I don't think we are mentally built to prefer ultra centralized government.  We prefer authority closer to home.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23970341 - 12/31/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Call it military or police, either way, you're going to have to fight those people and groups into submission.  It ain't gonna be a cum by ya gathering when a global leader is selected.  There will be dozens if not hundreds of groups organizing to overthrow it on day one.




Sure, but that will be a job for the police. Not the military. And if the world government focuses a lot on civil rights. No taxes for the poor. And gives people a lot of autonomy people might not be so much opposed to it. 

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I don't think we are mentally built to prefer ultra centralized government.  We prefer authority closer to home.




Yeah, but not everything has to be decided by the world government. Just basic rules about taxes, civil rights, pollution and such.

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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
    #23970365 - 12/31/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Call it military or police, either way, you're going to have to fight those people and groups into submission.  It ain't gonna be a cum by ya gathering when a global leader is selected.  There will be dozens if not hundreds of groups organizing to overthrow it on day one.




Sure, but that will be a job for the police. Not the military. And if the world government focuses a lot on civil rights. No taxes for the poor. And gives people a lot of autonomy people might not be so much opposed to it. 

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KauaiOrca said:
I don't think we are mentally built to prefer ultra centralized government.  We prefer authority closer to home.




Yeah, but not everything has to be decided by the world government. Just basic rules about taxes, civil rights, pollution and such.




Why would you think that global government would somehow have better leaders than we have now in more national / local government?  How the heck would we globally elect someone that doesn't even speak our language?  Think for a moment about the logistics of this. 

What kind of infrastructure would you need in place to enable people in Venezuela, Uganda, Tahiti, the US, Croatia, Korea and Somalia to all vote equally?  Seriously, that's a huge problem.


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23970374 - 12/31/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Why would you think that global government would somehow have better leaders than we have now in more national / local government?  How the heck would we globally elect someone that doesn't even speak our language?  Think for a moment about the logistics of this.




Did you read the manuscript i posted in the first post in this thread? archania.org

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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
    #23970389 - 12/31/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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KauaiOrca said:
Why would you think that global government would somehow have better leaders than we have now in more national / local government?  How the heck would we globally elect someone that doesn't even speak our language?  Think for a moment about the logistics of this.




Did you read the manuscript i posted in the first post in this thread? archania.org




I did.

How do you stop the highly motivated psychopathic leaders that simply will not stop until they're in charge?  That's the fly in the ointment.  Often, the most motivated and innovative when it comes to getting into power are more interested in themselves than building a better planet.

The wealth class today could get together tomorrow and decide to fix this planet ...

But by and large, they don't.  They spend more time thinking about how to get their next 10 billion than how to solve the problems of education and poverty.  They lobby for easing of labor laws so they can tap into near slave labor across the globe.

Humans are predatory and successful humans are VERY predatory.  How do you deal with that?


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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: KauaiOrca]
    #23970429 - 12/31/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I did.

How do you stop the highly motivated psychopathic leaders that simply will not stop until they're in charge?  That's the fly in the ointment.  Often, the most motivated and innovative when it comes to getting into power are more interested in themselves than building a better planet.




I wrote a lot about these things in chapter 4. I am not saying I have a solution, but I would rather get criticism to what I wrote there, so that I can improve it.

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Re: MANUSCRIPT FOR A NEW WORLD GOVERNMENT [Re: Zanthius]
    #23970438 - 12/31/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I did.

How do you stop the highly motivated psychopathic leaders that simply will not stop until they're in charge?  That's the fly in the ointment.  Often, the most motivated and innovative when it comes to getting into power are more interested in themselves than building a better planet.




I wrote a lot about these things in chapter 4. I am not saying I have a solution, but I would rather get criticism to what I wrote there, so that I can improve it.




I think a HUGE step forward for us globally would be some kind of testing for people seeking senior leadership positions at large corporations and governments.  Objective information on their leaderships skills, IQ, EQ, knowledge of global events, attitudes toward God, science.  What they have read.  What their vision for local, national and global success is.

I think they should have to go through extensive testing first before being eligible to get into these high leadership roles ... all that data on them would become public knowledge.

That's a first step toward some of the very appealing changes you write about.

We are most restricted by the quality of leaders we are selecting.  Until that changes, I see little hope that your vision will be realized.


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-- Ancient Taoist Master

Edited by KauaiOrca (12/31/16 10:50 AM)

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