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#23970312 - 12/31/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38470861
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China has announced a ban on all ivory trade and processing activities by the end of 2017.
Conservation groups hailed the decision as "historic" and a "game-changer" for the future of elephants.
The move follows a resolution at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (Cites) in South Africa in October.
China has the biggest ivory market in the world - some estimates suggest 70% of the world's trade ends up there.
The war on elephants
Why elephants are seeking refuge in Botswana
Ivory can reach $1,100 (£850) per kilogram in China. 'Great leadership'
China's State Council announced the details of the ban on Friday.
The commercial processing and sale of ivory will stop by 31 March, and all registered traders will then be phased out, bringing a full halt to the market by the end of the year.
Conservation group WWF welcomed the latest news, calling it a "historic announcement... signalling an end to the world's primary legal ivory market and a major boost to international efforts to tackle the elephant poaching crisis in Africa".
Elly Pepper, deputy director of wildlife trade for the Natural Resources Defense Council, praised China for its "great leadership" on the issue.
"Setting such an aggressive timeline to close - once and for all - the largest domestic ivory market in the world is globally significant.
"It's a game changer and could be the pivotal turning point that brings elephants back from the brink of extinction," she said.
While the international market in ivory has been closed since 1989, legal domestic markets have continued in many countries around the world.
A surge in the killing of elephants over the past seven years has seen populations across Africa shrink by a third, according to the recently published Great Elephant Census.
China had backed the Cites resolution in October, surprising participants with the strength of its support for a ban.
Some delegates said Beijing had wanted an even stronger resolution.
Well fucking done China. It will likely not completely eradicate the demand for ivory, but it is a step in the right direction. The ivory trade has already lead to a change in genetics - elephants today are being born without tusks.
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#23970322 - 12/31/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Awesome!
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404]
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I think I read someplace that African elephants were being born without tusks because of the ivory trade screwing up their gene pool, shits gnarly man, but I guess this isn't anything new.
Anyway, good for China.
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#23970340 - 12/31/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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China : Unfuck the World 2017
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Konyap]
#23970506 - 12/31/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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How nice of china.
I'm sure there won't be a mad scramble to slaughter as many elephants as possible until the point they pull the trigger.
How are the old elephant numbers doing?
Been better I'd imagine.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: LobsterSauce] 2
#23970532 - 12/31/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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that is worrying. i am also worried that demand will suddenly increase and the prices go up as the ivory becomes more profitable to collect, adding insentive.
maybe they should add the death penalty for poaching? it seems like an extremely adequate response given that the poachers themselves don't view life in the same way that you or I do.
They often cut the heads and faces off these creatures and leave the rest to rot, often in groups as the family huddles together to fight them off... failing of course, because the poachers have guns.
Elephants are very social animals, when one is killed, you have to consider that someone's dad or mom or other family member or friend has just been killed, and that in turns affects the social dynamics of a herd. the youngsters themselves may have to grow up in a world and learn to survive in the bush without being properly taught how to. it's really fucked if you think about it.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404] 1
#23970619 - 12/31/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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In some countries and parks poachers are shot on site as they are typically involved with rebel militias anyway and too dangerous to just arrest outright. I'd say it's not the punishments themselves that scare poachers away, it's a lack in resources needed to combat it that attracts them to the trade.
That and a fully grown tusk from a male elephant can weigh 120 pounds or more. That's worth more than an assassination hit on most humans.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23970763 - 12/31/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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120 pounds of tusk yall
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Easyriding123]
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The most important thing is, many of these poachers are starving people that these terrible parks have been erected near. It's so disgusting they would shoot people to save animals. It would be nice if someone would kill the people that kill the poachers. They would be a fucking great person.
Some places have too many ele's. It's a big continent.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#23970953 - 12/31/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: It would be nice if someone would kill the people that kill the poachers. They would be a fucking great person.
The poachers would kill a park ranger if caught in the act, and have - hence the reason for a violent reaction. Others just offer bribes.
It's not like hunting deer during an illegal season in the US, and a fine isn't going to prevent it. This is organized crime and largely funds militias, rebels, drug lords - people who would murder you yourself if you got too close.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
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Alot of it is local poor tribal people that need food. They had a whole talk on Rogan about it and how fucked up it is.
Either way, killing a person for an animal is disgusting. It's completely morally indefensible except by the twisted ecologically centered minds of liberals and savages
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23970973 - 12/31/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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they can go find ways to change their gov't rather than taking it out on the animals
if these people aren't killing the animal to eat it then they arent' starving
why do you think animals are lesser than humans anyway? Are you jealous they can survive on their own and maintain relationships with their families??
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#23970976 - 12/31/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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not really, no. most of the time, the bodies are completely left behind and not used for food.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23970995 - 12/31/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Alot of it is local poor tribal people that need food. They had a whole talk on Rogan about it and how fucked up it is.
so eat the fucking poachers. you take care of the poaching and the hunger
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Either way, killing a person for an animal is disgusting. It's completely morally indefensible except by the twisted ecologically centered minds of liberals and savages
they arent being killed for an animal, they're being killed because of a title and that makes it much better, I mean Der Fuhrer was only a title but most of the world wanted to kill hitler
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404]
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I don't even know what your on about, prisoner
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Konyap said: they can go find ways to change their gov't rather than taking it out on the animals
if these people aren't killing the animal to eat it then they arent' starving
why do you think animals are lesser than humans anyway? Are you jealous they can survive on their own and maintain relationships with their families??
Im sure it's easy for a bunch of really stupid poor blacks to change their effective, compassionate governments.
So you are one of those people that think a human life is the same as a mouse life? We have more free will, capacity to suffer,ability to effect the world, live longer. Suffering is not 'pain'. An animal doesn't look at a wound and think of its past, fading future, loved ones, because without language it can't be conceptualized into thought.
Maybe next time I want a burger I'll bash a baby and use that. Gotta save the animals. It's post term abortion
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404 said: not really, no. most of the time, the bodies are completely left behind and not used for food.
You have Stats? Even if they did, so what? The animal was going to die and be scavenged and rot anyway. People in this country are always going in about eating what you kill. It makes no differance
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#23971058 - 12/31/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't even know what your on about, prisoner
you claimed that elephant poaching was due to people being hungry, if the wardens shoot the poachers they hungry people can eat the poachers. now since we know it's not due to hunger but instead is due to money, they can eat the poachers with no remorse... it's simple, feed the greedy to the hungry
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I'm not sure I'm on board with this one. It would answer so many motivational questions
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23971074 - 12/31/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I'm not sure I'm on board with this one. It would answer so many motivational questions
can you muster the motivation to stop the poachers yourself, you can stand in front of the elephants all day and act as a human shield, you can also tell them to eat you, not in the literal sense but only in the 'toss my salad' sense
I think this can work well for everyone and you get to be a hero "SPC, Defender of The Elephants", man, you'd get so much pussy if you were elephant body armor
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23971088 - 12/31/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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It's always good to get a nice healthy tossed salad.
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#23971093 - 12/31/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't even know what your on about, prisoner
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Konyap said: they can go find ways to change their gov't rather than taking it out on the animals
if these people aren't killing the animal to eat it then they arent' starving
why do you think animals are lesser than humans anyway? Are you jealous they can survive on their own and maintain relationships with their families??
Im sure it's easy for a bunch of really stupid poor blacks to change their effective, compassionate governments.
So you are one of those people that think a human life is the same as a mouse life? We have more free will, capacity to suffer,ability to effect the world, live longer. Suffering is not 'pain'. An animal doesn't look at a wound and think of its past, fading future, loved ones, because without language it can't be conceptualized into thought.
Maybe next time I want a burger I'll bash a baby and use that. Gotta save the animals. It's post term abortion
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404 said: not really, no. most of the time, the bodies are completely left behind and not used for food.
You have Stats? Even if they did, so what? The animal was going to die and be scavenged and rot anyway. People in this country are always going in about eating what you kill. It makes no differance
If they were radical Islamists robbing banks to bring income to their militia, I doubt you'd be on board with their plight.
You take the side of the animal killer regardless of the human doing the killing. You've done so with dogs, tigers and now elephants. Two of which are endangered, but you'd prefer a species be nearly wiped out to fund tribal terrorism because it's just a 'dumb' animal.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
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specialpeopleclub said: It's always good to get a nice healthy tossed salad.
if an elephant murderer teabags you are you having poached eggs?
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#23971112 - 12/31/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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PatrickKn said: If they were radical Islamists robbing banks to bring income to their militia, I doubt you'd be on board with their plight.
You take the side of the animal killer regardless of the human doing the killing. You've done so with dogs, tigers and now elephants. Two of which are endangered, but you'd prefer a species be nearly wiped out to fund tribal terrorism because it's just a 'dumb' animal.
as was already stated, many of them are in fact in militias and many with ties to radical islam, most of those militias are actually the very reason the people are starving because they subscribe to the notion that soldiers should eat, all others are worthless. they steal the aid from the UN that's meant to go to those starving people
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I'm fine with species getting killed off. They wouldn't be the first. I do side with the human. You know what we are? Human. A situation I'd side with the animal would be of it belonged to a human, which gives it worth.
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#23971148 - 12/31/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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It's an unsound philosophy. We are not at war with elephants, and our survival doesn't require their eradication. There is 0 reason to drive them to extinction just so people of affluence can have expensive pianos they'll never play, other than bloodlust for shits and giggles.
They aren't mice, and they aren't livestock.
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#23971166 - 12/31/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I'm fine with species getting killed off. They wouldn't be the first. I do side with the human. You know what we are? Human. A situation I'd side with the animal would be of it belonged to a human, which gives it worth.
Posts like this make me question your sentience, mindlessly killing everything is beneath rational intellect and thats what you're endorsing
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23971213 - 12/31/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I'm fine with species getting killed off. They wouldn't be the first. I do side with the human. You know what we are? Human. A situation I'd side with the animal would be of it belonged to a human, which gives it worth.
no, you're siding with dangerous criminals, you must be a democrat
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Repertoire89]
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Our survivalist require them either. Thee were alot of animals here with people a few thousand years ago, now they are gone and it makes no difference. I'm defenately possibly sentient. I'm just so beyond sick of people that are animal-people that dislike people. And they are common
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#23971233 - 12/31/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Our survivalist require them either. Thee were alot of animals here with people a few thousand years ago, now they are gone and it makes no difference.
Dude, you don't know shit about ecology. Your constant asinine ramblings about how animals other than humans are worthless just make you sound like a fucking moron.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23971234 - 12/31/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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WHy not ban it immediately?
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Patlal]
#23971265 - 12/31/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Burocracy, laws take time and infrastructure.
I'm not saying it's necessarily good, just that people are emotionally invested in the idea of animals, especially charismatic ones. People act like it's going to make the whole ecoweb collapse. Especially now, with modern animals, we will be able to restore them in a few decades anyway. They aren't diesels with bits of broken DNA we have to fill in. Maybe by then we will have defeated Islam,and maybe Africa will have some countries that function
I obviously don't think we should kill off everything, but it's alot of resources to protect something so valuable. China may even make it worse now that the commodity is scarce. Make it more desirable and expensive
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
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specialpeopleclub said: Our survivalist require them either. Thee were alot of animals here with people a few thousand years ago, now they are gone and it makes no difference.
Dude, you don't know shit about ecology. Your constant asinine ramblings about how animals other than humans are worthless just make you sound like a fucking moron.
25 species die go extinct every day regardless of human behavior. The arrogance we have to try and make a difference is astounding to me.
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We kind of already make a huge difference in the negative. Don't you think we could try a little bit?
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#23971271 - 12/31/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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"End of 2017"
Aye yall we're gonna ban this elephant cruelty! But not til the end of this coming year.... So get in the tusk hustling while you still can baby!
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specialpeopleclub said: People act like it's going to make the whole ecoweb collapse.
No, that's you taking what are legitimate and sane concerns and characterizing them as extremist in order to fit your ridiculous preconceptions of 'liberals'. Just because political figures latch on to an issue and act retarded with it doesn't make that issue a political one.
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Especially now, with modern animals, we will be able to restore them in a few decades anyway.
Oh will we?
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They aren't diesels with bits of broken DNA we have to fill in.
Wtf are you even trying to say here?
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
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That's just what I heard their troubles with cloning fossilized but partially viable extinct species is.
We probably will, because people are guilty and the guilt will go viral. People like that kind of redemption story
Trying is great. I'm just disturbed by how ravenous I see people over animal abuse and extinction, then dispassionate toward the suffering of people. I'd focus more on the oceans though, considering its more consequential, phone owns the oceans like 40 miles out.
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You can't just go around cloning species and expecting that that will allow them to become viable again. There has to be enough genetic variation to sustain any populations.
Ok so there are extremist people who have little concern for people and are overly concerned with animals and that disturbs you, so you thought the sane thing was to just become the exact opposite of that? Hmmm, sounds logical.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
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They would probably insert variability, plus, they could clone multiple modern animals. Fossilized animals are going to take gene manipulation and won't ever truly be what they were.
I'm not the opposite, but they aren't a priority, and when people say 'why is an animal less then a person's it's like asking if reality exists.
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clock_of_omens said: You can't just go around cloning species and expecting that that will allow them to become viable again. There has to be enough genetic variation to sustain any populations.
fine, so use frog genetics like they did in jurassic park and we can have jumping elephants that impregnate themselves and hunt poachers in packs
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
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You're just making shit up now. Cloning animals as a solution to extinctions is not on anyone's radar. No one is talking about trying to clone fossilized animals. Did you re-watch Jurassic Park recently or something? People are talking about attempting to maintain current biodiversity, which in turn requires maintaining genetic diversity, which in turn requires not destroying habitat and killing off large numbers of animals.
You claim you're not the opposite, but reading your posts in this thread, one can only conclude that you are literally the exact opposite of this:
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specialpeopleclub said: ravenous I see people over animal abuse and extinction, then dispassionate toward the suffering of people.
Switch people and animal in that sentence and that's your posts.
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specialpeopleclub said: when people say 'why is an animal less then a person's it's like asking if reality exists.
No, reality merely existing is self-evident. The other is a philosophical argument over values. Just because you want to pretend that that is self-evident as well doesn't make it so. You can't just close centuries old philosophical debates by fiat. You have to have arguments and counter arguments to others. Claiming that something is self-evident is not a counter argument. Sorry.
Also even agreeing that humans are above animals does not lead logically to 'fuck animals, who gives a shit about them'. That's completely idiotic black and white thinking.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
#23972937 - 01/01/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Pris proves my idea is better then I even imagined.
I'm being pretty mean about it. It would defenately be an evil act to kill off all ephilants. I do understand if it's Islamic rebels. From what I heard on Rogan is that some of it is local people that for a reserve where it's inconvenient, and they get killed And left for scavengers
I know I can't end a philosophical debate. Based on my experiance, and most disagree, without language to think the thoughts we think, you can't think about pain, so you can't suffer in the same way. Animals don't think of loosing their futures.
It's hard to defend 'intrinsic value'. There is subjective value, like a sentimental object. There is 'intrinsic value', like a conscious entity, as it values itself and isn't dependent on others. That's just my thoughts The Sam Harris angle of 'capacity to suffer's doesn't ever work anyway
Too bad they can't 3d print ivory
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404]
#23973638 - 01/01/17 05:39 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Dawks]
#23973640 - 01/01/17 05:40 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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you know that makes sense. eye for an eye
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#23973644 - 01/01/17 05:42 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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404 said: you know that makes sense. eye for an eye
Maybe we can start making things from the bones of the poachers, even things out a bit
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Dawks]
#23973652 - 01/01/17 05:43 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: LobsterSauce]
#23973711 - 01/01/17 05:56 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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LobsterSauce said: How nice of china.
I'm sure there won't be a mad scramble to slaughter as many elephants as possible until the point they pull the trigger.
Exactly. If China really cared about the elephants they would put the ban on ivory immediately, not wait a whole fucking year.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#23973735 - 01/01/17 06:01 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Things aren't that simple to implement. Shop owners need to do something with their trinkets, suppliers need to transition to a new niche and the politicians all need to get new sets of false teeth while they still can legally. There will be elephant carnage, but it gives those with resources to protect elephants a visible deadline to commit financial resources to and even a loophole to sell confiscated ivory to Chinese markets to raise funds in doing so.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23973756 - 01/01/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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It actually is easy. The government has ultimate power of a country. They can do whatever they want. They could nullify all existing agreements involving ivory for companies and shops. Maybe give them a little bit of money to help them transition to a new trade. I wouldn't feel bad potentially screwing over the ivory traders because they knew exactly what they were doing and were taking advantage of an animal declining in numbers.
I'm sure if you asked those who protect the elephants if they prefer to have China end the ivory trade immediately or in one year and they would respond with "immediately."
The remaining confiscated ivory could be used in medical research or just disposed of.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23973757 - 01/01/17 06:06 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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i read some time last year that there was a start up company that was trying to flood the chinese market with fake rhino horns made with 3d printers
http://www.snopes.com/3d-printed-rhino-horn-developed/
stuff like this probably helps a lot.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#23973773 - 01/01/17 06:13 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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lifeiswhatyoumake said: It actually is easy. The government has ultimate power of a country. They can do whatever they want. They could nullify all existing agreements involving ivory for companies and shops. Maybe give them a little bit of money to help them transition to a new trade. I wouldn't feel bad potentially screwing over the ivory traders because they knew exactly what they were doing and were taking advantage of an animal declining in numbers.
I'm sure if you asked those who protect the elephants if they prefer to have China end the ivory trade immediately or in one year and they would respond with "immediately."
The remaining confiscated ivory could be used in medical research or just disposed of.
Fuck the people, think of the animals, let's overstep with government power Terrible
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23973782 - 01/01/17 06:15 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Yea. Fuck people who take advantage of an endangered animal. I'm glad you agree.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake]
#23973868 - 01/01/17 06:39 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Endangered where? The documentary filmmaker, Louis Theroux, or one of the hunters talked about how some areas have an abundance. I think Through talked about the local people getting killed for 'poaching' Not that you know what or why they are poaching, since they get shot and left
Also, of something is emdangered, killing it off probably won't effect the ecosystem much at all, because there are so few to effect in the first place.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#23973881 - 01/01/17 06:46 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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They are endangered and populations are actively decreasing, not increasing.


Their numbers will never be what they once were of course, but because of long gestation periods and poaching, they risk outright extinction with such small populations.
It's not just elephants either, Rhinos are even more critically endangered and valued for ivory, and some sub species have been presumed extinct within the last decade.
That some populations are reviving in a few specific areas is a good thing, but not indicative of the species going on a complete recovery.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23973945 - 01/01/17 07:09 PM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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don't wait two years to have a damn baby.
Those numbers are actually way higher then I thought. On Rogan they said some places are doing very well, and people politicize it by using the statistics of the whole continent. The high fence operations helped, and it's food to have legitimate hunting operations.
There are like, 3000 Bengal tigers, for perapective
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23974436 - 01/01/17 10:25 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#23974450 - 01/01/17 10:30 PM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Great comparison of a solo alpha predator that occupies huge amounts of land vs a herbivore pack animal.
The are endangered for comparison
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#23974830 - 01/02/17 01:49 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23974856 - 01/02/17 02:05 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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PatrickKn said: They are endangered and populations are actively decreasing, not increasing.


I dont see 600,000 as endangered. in fact the african bush elephant is only classified as vulnerable, it's not like black rhino and shit where there's only a few thousand left in the wild and they're on the critically endangered list, much like the java rhino that no one even knows about or the india rhino that shared the same fate of being unknown and it's apparently so unknown that there's only about 3500 of them in the wild but they also only hit the 'vulnerable' list
who the fuck comes up with the number juggling that 3500 and 600000 are both in the same conservation category, probably the same people that were trying to convince us that the black rhino was extinct when it was only a group of black rhinos in west africa that had died off
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23974898 - 01/02/17 02:30 AM (7 years, 28 days ago) |
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Wow.. you are really something else.. amazing.
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