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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23971105 - 12/31/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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if an elephant murderer teabags you are you having poached eggs?


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn] * 2
    #23971112 - 12/31/16 03:08 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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If they were radical Islamists robbing banks to bring income to their militia, I doubt you'd be on board with their plight.

You take the side of the animal killer regardless of the human doing the killing. You've done so with dogs, tigers and now elephants. Two of which are endangered, but you'd prefer a species be nearly wiped out to fund tribal terrorism because it's just a 'dumb' animal.





as was already stated, many of them are in fact in militias and many with ties to
radical islam, most of those militias are actually the very reason the people are
starving because they subscribe to the notion that soldiers should eat, all others
are worthless. they steal the aid from the UN that's meant to go to those starving
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23971130 - 12/31/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

I'm fine with species getting killed off. They wouldn't be the first. I do side with the human. You know what we are? Human. A situation I'd side with the animal would be of it belonged to a human, which gives it worth.


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23971148 - 12/31/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

It's an unsound philosophy. We are not at war with elephants, and our survival doesn't require their eradication. There is 0 reason to drive them to extinction just so people of affluence can have expensive pianos they'll never play, other than bloodlust for shits and giggles.

They aren't mice, and they aren't livestock.


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23971166 - 12/31/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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I'm fine with species getting killed off. They wouldn't be the first. I do side with the human. You know what we are? Human. A situation I'd side with the animal would be of it belonged to a human, which gives it worth.




Posts like this make me question your sentience, mindlessly killing everything is beneath rational intellect and thats what you're endorsing


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23971213 - 12/31/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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I'm fine with species getting killed off. They wouldn't be the first. I do side with the human. You know what we are? Human. A situation I'd side with the animal would be of it belonged to a human, which gives it worth.





no, you're siding with dangerous criminals, you must be a democrat


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23971222 - 12/31/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Our survivalist require them either. Thee were alot of animals here with people a few thousand years ago, now they are gone and it makes no difference.
I'm defenately possibly sentient. I'm just so beyond sick of people that are animal-people that dislike people.
And they are common


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 5
    #23971233 - 12/31/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Our survivalist require them either. Thee were alot of animals here with people a few thousand years ago, now they are gone and it makes no difference.




Dude, you don't know shit about ecology. Your constant asinine ramblings about how animals other than humans are worthless just make you sound like a fucking moron.


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23971234 - 12/31/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

WHy not ban it immediately?


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Patlal]
    #23971265 - 12/31/16 04:21 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Burocracy, laws take time and infrastructure.

I'm not saying it's necessarily good, just that people are emotionally invested in the idea of animals, especially charismatic ones. People act like it's going to make the whole ecoweb collapse. Especially now, with modern animals, we will be able to restore them in a few decades anyway. They aren't diesels with bits of broken DNA we have to fill in. Maybe by then we will have defeated Islam,and maybe Africa will have some countries that function

I obviously don't think we should kill off everything, but it's alot of resources to protect something so valuable. China may even make it worse now that the commodity is scarce. Make it more desirable and expensive


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23971268 - 12/31/16 04:22 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Our survivalist require them either. Thee were alot of animals here with people a few thousand years ago, now they are gone and it makes no difference.




Dude, you don't know shit about ecology. Your constant asinine ramblings about how animals other than humans are worthless just make you sound like a fucking moron.




25 species die go extinct every day regardless of human behavior. The arrogance we have to try and make a difference is astounding to me.


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Patlal] * 2
    #23971270 - 12/31/16 04:23 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

We kind of already make a huge difference in the negative. Don't you think we could try a little bit?


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 1
    #23971271 - 12/31/16 04:24 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

"End of 2017"

Aye yall we're gonna ban this elephant cruelty! But not til the end of this coming year.... So get in the tusk hustling while you still can baby!


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23971280 - 12/31/16 04:29 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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People act like it's going to make the whole ecoweb collapse.




No, that's you taking what are legitimate and sane concerns and characterizing them as extremist in order to fit your ridiculous preconceptions of 'liberals'. Just because political figures latch on to an issue and act retarded with it doesn't make that issue a political one.

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Especially now, with modern animals, we will be able to restore them in a few decades anyway.




Oh will we?

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They aren't diesels with bits of broken DNA we have to fill in.




Wtf are you even trying to say here?


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23971285 - 12/31/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

That's just what I heard their troubles with cloning fossilized but partially viable extinct species is.

We probably will, because people are guilty and the guilt will go viral. People like that kind of redemption story

Trying is great. I'm just disturbed by how ravenous I see people over animal abuse and extinction, then dispassionate toward the suffering of people.
I'd focus more on the oceans though, considering its more consequential, phone owns the oceans like 40 miles out.


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23971311 - 12/31/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

You can't just go around cloning species and expecting that that will allow them to become viable again. There has to be enough genetic variation to sustain any populations.

Ok so there are extremist people who have little concern for people and are overly concerned with animals and that disturbs you, so you thought the sane thing was to just become the exact opposite of that? Hmmm, sounds logical. :rolleyes:


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23971331 - 12/31/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

They would probably insert variability, plus, they could clone multiple modern animals. Fossilized animals are going to take gene manipulation and won't ever truly be what they were.

I'm not the opposite, but they aren't a priority, and when people say 'why is an animal less then a person's it's like asking if reality exists.


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens] * 1
    #23971396 - 12/31/16 05:21 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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You can't just go around cloning species and expecting that that will allow them to become viable again. There has to be enough genetic variation to sustain any populations.






fine, so use frog genetics like they did in jurassic park and we can have jumping
elephants that impregnate themselves and hunt poachers in packs


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23971407 - 12/31/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

You're just making shit up now. Cloning animals as a solution to extinctions is not on anyone's radar. No one is talking about trying to clone fossilized animals. Did you re-watch Jurassic Park recently or something? People are talking about attempting to maintain current biodiversity, which in turn requires maintaining genetic diversity, which in turn requires not destroying habitat and killing off large numbers of animals.

You claim you're not the opposite, but reading your posts in this thread, one can only conclude that you are literally the exact opposite of this:

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ravenous I see people over animal abuse and extinction, then dispassionate toward the suffering of people.




Switch people and animal in that sentence and that's your posts.

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when people say 'why is an animal less then a person's it's like asking if reality exists.




No, reality merely existing is self-evident. The other is a philosophical argument over values. Just because you want to pretend that that is self-evident as well doesn't make it so. You can't just close centuries old philosophical debates by fiat. You have to have arguments and counter arguments to others. Claiming that something is self-evident is not a counter argument. Sorry.

Also even agreeing that humans are above animals does not lead logically to 'fuck animals, who gives a shit about them'. That's completely idiotic black and white thinking.


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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23972937 - 01/01/17 12:44 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Pris proves my idea is better then I even imagined.

I'm being pretty mean about it. It would defenately be an evil act to kill off all ephilants. I do understand if it's Islamic rebels. From what I heard on Rogan is that some of it is local people that for a reserve where it's inconvenient, and they get killed
And left for scavengers


I know I can't end a philosophical debate. Based on my experiance, and most disagree, without language to think the thoughts we think, you can't think about pain, so you can't suffer in the same way. Animals don't think of loosing their futures.

It's hard to defend 'intrinsic value'. There is subjective value, like a sentimental object. There is 'intrinsic value', like a conscious entity, as it values itself and isn't dependent on others. That's just my thoughts
The Sam Harris angle of 'capacity to suffer's doesn't ever work anyway

Too bad they can't 3d print ivory


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