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#23970312 - 12/31/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-38470861
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China has announced a ban on all ivory trade and processing activities by the end of 2017.
Conservation groups hailed the decision as "historic" and a "game-changer" for the future of elephants.
The move follows a resolution at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (Cites) in South Africa in October.
China has the biggest ivory market in the world - some estimates suggest 70% of the world's trade ends up there.
The war on elephants
Why elephants are seeking refuge in Botswana
Ivory can reach $1,100 (£850) per kilogram in China. 'Great leadership'
China's State Council announced the details of the ban on Friday.
The commercial processing and sale of ivory will stop by 31 March, and all registered traders will then be phased out, bringing a full halt to the market by the end of the year.
Conservation group WWF welcomed the latest news, calling it a "historic announcement... signalling an end to the world's primary legal ivory market and a major boost to international efforts to tackle the elephant poaching crisis in Africa".
Elly Pepper, deputy director of wildlife trade for the Natural Resources Defense Council, praised China for its "great leadership" on the issue.
"Setting such an aggressive timeline to close - once and for all - the largest domestic ivory market in the world is globally significant.
"It's a game changer and could be the pivotal turning point that brings elephants back from the brink of extinction," she said.
While the international market in ivory has been closed since 1989, legal domestic markets have continued in many countries around the world.
A surge in the killing of elephants over the past seven years has seen populations across Africa shrink by a third, according to the recently published Great Elephant Census.
China had backed the Cites resolution in October, surprising participants with the strength of its support for a ban.
Some delegates said Beijing had wanted an even stronger resolution.
Well fucking done China. It will likely not completely eradicate the demand for ivory, but it is a step in the right direction. The ivory trade has already lead to a change in genetics - elephants today are being born without tusks.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404] 1
#23970322 - 12/31/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Awesome!
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404]
#23970332 - 12/31/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I think I read someplace that African elephants were being born without tusks because of the ivory trade screwing up their gene pool, shits gnarly man, but I guess this isn't anything new.
Anyway, good for China.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Lucis] 1
#23970340 - 12/31/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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China : Unfuck the World 2017
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Konyap]
#23970506 - 12/31/16 11:16 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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How nice of china.
I'm sure there won't be a mad scramble to slaughter as many elephants as possible until the point they pull the trigger.
How are the old elephant numbers doing?
Been better I'd imagine.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: LobsterSauce] 2
#23970532 - 12/31/16 11:26 AM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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that is worrying. i am also worried that demand will suddenly increase and the prices go up as the ivory becomes more profitable to collect, adding insentive.
maybe they should add the death penalty for poaching? it seems like an extremely adequate response given that the poachers themselves don't view life in the same way that you or I do.
They often cut the heads and faces off these creatures and leave the rest to rot, often in groups as the family huddles together to fight them off... failing of course, because the poachers have guns.
Elephants are very social animals, when one is killed, you have to consider that someone's dad or mom or other family member or friend has just been killed, and that in turns affects the social dynamics of a herd. the youngsters themselves may have to grow up in a world and learn to survive in the bush without being properly taught how to. it's really fucked if you think about it.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404] 1
#23970619 - 12/31/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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In some countries and parks poachers are shot on site as they are typically involved with rebel militias anyway and too dangerous to just arrest outright. I'd say it's not the punishments themselves that scare poachers away, it's a lack in resources needed to combat it that attracts them to the trade.
That and a fully grown tusk from a male elephant can weigh 120 pounds or more. That's worth more than an assassination hit on most humans.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23970763 - 12/31/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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120 pounds of tusk yall
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Easyriding123]
#23970920 - 12/31/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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The most important thing is, many of these poachers are starving people that these terrible parks have been erected near. It's so disgusting they would shoot people to save animals. It would be nice if someone would kill the people that kill the poachers. They would be a fucking great person.
Some places have too many ele's. It's a big continent.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 2
#23970953 - 12/31/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: It would be nice if someone would kill the people that kill the poachers. They would be a fucking great person.
The poachers would kill a park ranger if caught in the act, and have - hence the reason for a violent reaction. Others just offer bribes.
It's not like hunting deer during an illegal season in the US, and a fine isn't going to prevent it. This is organized crime and largely funds militias, rebels, drug lords - people who would murder you yourself if you got too close.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: PatrickKn]
#23970957 - 12/31/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Alot of it is local poor tribal people that need food. They had a whole talk on Rogan about it and how fucked up it is.
Either way, killing a person for an animal is disgusting. It's completely morally indefensible except by the twisted ecologically centered minds of liberals and savages
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23970973 - 12/31/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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they can go find ways to change their gov't rather than taking it out on the animals
if these people aren't killing the animal to eat it then they arent' starving
why do you think animals are lesser than humans anyway? Are you jealous they can survive on their own and maintain relationships with their families??
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#23970976 - 12/31/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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not really, no. most of the time, the bodies are completely left behind and not used for food.
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23970995 - 12/31/16 02:31 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: Alot of it is local poor tribal people that need food. They had a whole talk on Rogan about it and how fucked up it is.
so eat the fucking poachers. you take care of the poaching and the hunger
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Either way, killing a person for an animal is disgusting. It's completely morally indefensible except by the twisted ecologically centered minds of liberals and savages
they arent being killed for an animal, they're being killed because of a title and that makes it much better, I mean Der Fuhrer was only a title but most of the world wanted to kill hitler
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: 404]
#23971045 - 12/31/16 02:47 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I don't even know what your on about, prisoner
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Konyap said: they can go find ways to change their gov't rather than taking it out on the animals
if these people aren't killing the animal to eat it then they arent' starving
why do you think animals are lesser than humans anyway? Are you jealous they can survive on their own and maintain relationships with their families??
Im sure it's easy for a bunch of really stupid poor blacks to change their effective, compassionate governments.
So you are one of those people that think a human life is the same as a mouse life? We have more free will, capacity to suffer,ability to effect the world, live longer. Suffering is not 'pain'. An animal doesn't look at a wound and think of its past, fading future, loved ones, because without language it can't be conceptualized into thought.
Maybe next time I want a burger I'll bash a baby and use that. Gotta save the animals. It's post term abortion
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404 said: not really, no. most of the time, the bodies are completely left behind and not used for food.
You have Stats? Even if they did, so what? The animal was going to die and be scavenged and rot anyway. People in this country are always going in about eating what you kill. It makes no differance
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub] 1
#23971058 - 12/31/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't even know what your on about, prisoner
you claimed that elephant poaching was due to people being hungry, if the wardens shoot the poachers they hungry people can eat the poachers. now since we know it's not due to hunger but instead is due to money, they can eat the poachers with no remorse... it's simple, feed the greedy to the hungry
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23971064 - 12/31/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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I'm not sure I'm on board with this one. It would answer so many motivational questions
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: specialpeopleclub]
#23971074 - 12/31/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I'm not sure I'm on board with this one. It would answer so many motivational questions
can you muster the motivation to stop the poachers yourself, you can stand in front of the elephants all day and act as a human shield, you can also tell them to eat you, not in the literal sense but only in the 'toss my salad' sense
I think this can work well for everyone and you get to be a hero "SPC, Defender of The Elephants", man, you'd get so much pussy if you were elephant body armor
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Re: China announces ban on Ivory trade by end of 2017 [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23971088 - 12/31/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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It's always good to get a nice healthy tossed salad.
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#23971093 - 12/31/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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specialpeopleclub said: I don't even know what your on about, prisoner
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Konyap said: they can go find ways to change their gov't rather than taking it out on the animals
if these people aren't killing the animal to eat it then they arent' starving
why do you think animals are lesser than humans anyway? Are you jealous they can survive on their own and maintain relationships with their families??
Im sure it's easy for a bunch of really stupid poor blacks to change their effective, compassionate governments.
So you are one of those people that think a human life is the same as a mouse life? We have more free will, capacity to suffer,ability to effect the world, live longer. Suffering is not 'pain'. An animal doesn't look at a wound and think of its past, fading future, loved ones, because without language it can't be conceptualized into thought.
Maybe next time I want a burger I'll bash a baby and use that. Gotta save the animals. It's post term abortion
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404 said: not really, no. most of the time, the bodies are completely left behind and not used for food.
You have Stats? Even if they did, so what? The animal was going to die and be scavenged and rot anyway. People in this country are always going in about eating what you kill. It makes no differance
If they were radical Islamists robbing banks to bring income to their militia, I doubt you'd be on board with their plight.
You take the side of the animal killer regardless of the human doing the killing. You've done so with dogs, tigers and now elephants. Two of which are endangered, but you'd prefer a species be nearly wiped out to fund tribal terrorism because it's just a 'dumb' animal.
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