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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G] * 4
    #23971649 - 12/31/16 07:15 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

the butthurt is strong with this thread


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Re: Women [Re: Ezuma]
    #23971713 - 12/31/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Precisely why I would keep it out of the ladies forum. Discussion in intelligent manner isn't much of a requirement in the pub anymore but it is intended (and now enforced) to be there.

Not that I and others don't shit post. I'd like to think I have thought provoking shit posts though. :confused2:


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23971739 - 12/31/16 08:05 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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You do realize a crib alone costs like $300, right? Then there's the stroller which is another $400, car seat another $400, the playpen another $150, the baby mattress another $80, baby blankets and sheets another $200, breast pumps $300, nursing supplies another $300, clothes and diapers and formula and toys that's a continuous expense all throughout, and all this other shit that all adds up.




Most of those prices you named are outrageous, ludicrously high


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Re: Women [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23971763 - 12/31/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Crystal G said:

You do realize a crib alone costs like $300, right? Then there's the stroller which is another $400, car seat another $400, the playpen another $150, the baby mattress another $80, baby blankets and sheets another $200, breast pumps $300, nursing supplies another $300, clothes and diapers and formula and toys that's a continuous expense all throughout, and all this other shit that all adds up.




Most of those prices you named are outrageous, ludicrously high




These are nowhere close to "outrageous, ludicrously high"... some of these items if purchased from a high-end luxury retailer can go in the thousands of dollars. That would be "outrageously high." I was typing in these items into the search engine as I was posting so I was sure that my prices would be relatively accurate and within reason.

I just looked up cribs right now, they range anywhere from $145 on Walmart to $180 from Kohl's to $425 from Land of Nod.

Strollers, $199 from Target or $1,323 from Albee. The $400 strollers are the ones that are convertible and are able to convert into a car seat and also a bassinet. These are the ones you want to buy, otherwise you have to wake the baby up every single time you need to move the baby from the car to the stroller.

Play-pens, $80 from Toys R Us, $183 from Walmart, $189 from Bed Bath & Beyond.

You don't necessarily want the cheapest of everything either, cheaper items might not be as safe or they aren't as durable or fall apart easily. You get what you pay for.

So yeah, you might find a stroller that's only $40, but it's going to be one of those cheap dinky little strollers on wheels that can't seat anything heavier than 9lbs, so you can't use it past 3 months anyway.

You might be able to find a breast pump for under $50 from Walmart or something, but it's not going to be medical-grade, and the pump mechanism might be uncomfortable or painful. If you want to get something comfortable and medical-grade, you're going to have to spend a couple hundred dollars. Medical-grade breast pumps range anywhere from $200 to $2,000. You might be able to find a $30 baby mattress somewhere, but you'll find that the mattress doesn't hold long and it shrinks over time which is very dangerous, or the springs start sagging after only a couple months use.

And bear in mind I haven't even begun to have listed all the other shit that babies need. Things like nursing pads, lanolin cream, nipple covers, bottles, feeding pillows, baby harness, feeding booths, changing tables, feeding silverware, potty training equipment, etc. So the costs are actually more expensive than what I listed if you account for all the other shit you have to buy over time.

In short, babies are damn expensive. You should never underestimate their cost.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23971794 - 12/31/16 08:38 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Those prices are really high, blowing an extra $150 on everything is crazy when you add it all up, as you said there are many things one needs.

Theres a rule of thumb with personal finances: live below your means, not at or above.
Just because you can buy a $300 stroller doesnt mean you should, there are alternatives.

$300 is not a small amount of money either, even if you make twice that in a day, waste is waste, devaluing money leads to waste, delaying savings for large purchases and retirement. As well as artificially raising the bar for how much one needs for such things.

Babies are probably expensive enough without shelling out large sums of money for every little thing.


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Re: Women [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23971831 - 12/31/16 08:52 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Haha..... Maybe you should look at the difference between a $50 stroller and a $200 one, it's easy to see why the $200 stroller costs $200.

Here's a $20 stroller from Target, you can tell this thing is really cheap, probably doesn't carry over 10lbs and will probably fall apart pretty easily

http://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/17236219?wid=3000&hei=3000&qlt=70&fmt=pjpeg


Here's a $60 stroller from Target, looks a little better and more durable, but again this is just a stroller and nothing else, it doesn't convert into a car seat or anything.

If you try to save all this money buying a cheap stroller only to have to spend more money to buy a car seat on top of that, then you're not really saving any money are you?

http://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/50183558?wid=3000&hei=3000&qlt=70&fmt=pjpeg


Compare this with a $279 stroller that converts into a car seat and a bassinet.

There's a reason $300 strollers come with the price tag attached. You don't want to have to wake the baby up every time you want to move the baby from the car to the stroller. If you have to spend time shushing a crying baby every time you want to go somewhere, then you're really not saving anything in money in the long run, are you?

http://target.scene7.com/is/image/Target/15089610?wid=3000&hei=3000&qlt=70&fmt=pjpeg


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971842 - 12/31/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Do you think you'll ever be a mum some day?


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971873 - 12/31/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I could just make a crib with some wood and tools laying about, or buy a used one, get a hand me down from a cousin, thrift for one or use common sense and find a middle ground in value.

Waste is waste


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Re: Women [Re: Repertoire89] * 2
    #23972000 - 12/31/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

eeven if some of her numbers were a bit over the actual costs....having a baby does cost that much...and way fucking more


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Re: Women [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23972056 - 12/31/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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I could just make a crib with some wood and tools laying about




That's fine if you can do that, that is if you know how to do it properly and safely. Most fathers who are working full-time or overtime would rather simply pay the $200 to have something that is guaranteed to be safe, but if you already know the craft and are familiar with it and have enough free time to do it then do it.

I sincerely doubt you would be able to build a stroller or a car seat though, and plus a car seat is one of those things you don't want to cheap out on or be frugal about. You shouldn't get a used one either, since you don't know how many accidents that thing has been through already.

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or buy a used one, get a hand me down from a cousin, thrift for one or use common sense and find a middle ground in value.




Again, there's always risks with doing that. After suffering through a bedbug infestation, I will never buy used furniture ever again.

If you end up with a cockroach or bedbug infestation or some kind of disease, it ends up costing you thousands of dollars more in the long run, just because you tried to save $100. Asinine.

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eeven if some of her numbers were a bit over the actual costs....having a baby does cost that much...and way fucking more




Exactly, he wants to nitpick over how much this stuff actually costs, but the reality is I didn't even mention half the shit a baby needs. If anything, my costs were therefore underestimated, not overestimated.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23972072 - 12/31/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

I didnt say all of those items were overpriced, a carseat is much more abstract to construct than a crib or stroller.

As far as bed bugs and roaches go, youre paranoid. Ive dealt with infestations.


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Exactly, he wants to nitpick over how much this stuff actually costs, but the reality is I didn't even mention half the shit a baby needs. If anything, my costs were therefore underestimated, not overestimated.




Uh duh
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Babies are probably expensive enough without shelling out large sums of money for every little thing.




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Re: Women [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23972075 - 12/31/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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As far as bed bugs and roaches go, youre paranoid. Ive dealt with infestations.




Hah. Then you would know bed bugs are practically impossible to get rid of yourself, the only way to successfully eradicate them is to have your home professionally heat-treated which costs thousands of dollars. I'm talking in the $5,000 to $10,000 range, depending on the size of your home. Maybe if you live in a small apartment or something it'll be only around $2,000 or so.

After you've been through a bed bug infestation you would be paranoid of buying second-hand furniture too, you don't know if it's infested with bedbugs, bedbug eggs are the sort of shit you can't see with your naked eye.

Seems really stupid to risk an infestation into your home just so you could save that $200. When you get an infestation you end up having to throw out half your shit anyway trying to eradicate the problem.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23972078 - 12/31/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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As far as bed bugs and roaches go, youre paranoid. Ive dealt with infestations.




Hah. Then you would know bed bugs are practically impossible to get rid of yourself, the only way to successfully eradicate them is to have your home professionally heat-treated which costs thousands of dollars. I'm talking in the $5,000 to $10,000 range, depending on the size of your home. Maybe if you live in a small apartment or something it'll be only around $2,000 or so.

After you've been through a bed bug infestation you would be paranoid of buying second-hand furniture too, you don't know if it's infested with bedbugs.

Seems really stupid to risk an infestation into your home just so you could save that $200. When you get an infestation you end up having to throw out half your shit anyway trying to eradicate the problem.




Werd, how many people have bed bugs? You can inspect something before bringing it into your house.

The costs accumulate with everything you buy.


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Re: Women [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23972081 - 12/31/16 11:48 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Werd, how many people have bed bugs? You can inspect something before bringing it into your house.




Umm, depending on where you live, it can be a lot. Some cities like NYC and Philadelphia are literally infested with them, and the city has made multiple warnings about bedbug outbreaks. Hotels get them all the time for a reason.

Bed bug eggs can't be seen with the naked eye, hence why it's so risky to buy secondhand furniture from a person you don't know.

Again, if that's what you want to do, then by all means you do that. It seems too risky to me and I would never suggest it. If you want to buy clothes or harnesses and things like that secondhand that's fine, because those can be sterilized and put in the dryer. But furniture you can't heat it before you bring into the home. Too risky.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23972093 - 12/31/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Gross, another reason not to live in the big city. I havent dealt with bedbug infestations, but various others with undue frequency :mad2:

We're going to have to come back to this in 10yrs and pitch our babies in a wrestling match to settle the issue


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Re: Women [Re: Paradigm Shift]
    #23972097 - 12/31/16 11:57 PM (7 years, 29 days ago)

@Paradigm Shift:


I have two things to say to you:

1.  Creating a life is NOT equal to taking one.  That's extremely dumb to say.
2.  Learn how to fuck a girl in her asshole.  You can't get her pregnant that way.  I only fuck girls in the ass.  I will fuck a girl in the pussy when I know I want to be with her for my whole life.


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Re: Women [Re: Repertoire89] * 1
    #23972103 - 01/01/17 12:02 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

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Gross, another reason not to live in the big city. I havent dealt with bedbug infestations, but various others with undue frequency :mad2:




Yeah, I've had some other infestations in the past, like mice and other types of bugs... none of them are as vicious or as bad as bedbugs. Because mice you can easily get rid of by simply setting a few traps or spreading some poison around. Mice are smart, they see a few of their friends dying, and they get the hell out of there.

Bed bugs on the other hand, you will work for months sterilizing and spraying and they never ever go away. The only way to kill them is to have your entire house heat-treated to over 140 degrees in every crack, crevice, and corner. And it's a very expensive and costly procedure. A lot of people just give up and end up just throwing away everything they have and moving someplace new and starting fresh.

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We're going to have to come back to this in 10yrs and pitch our babies in a wrestling match to settle the issue




Done and done. :lolsy:

You have to give your baby a sumowrestler name. Pachinko VS Yakamo :lol:


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23972121 - 01/01/17 12:10 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

Ive heard that about bedbugs

Id probably go for something like Siegfried or Lagertha, maybe I'll throw in Bennosuke for a middle name


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Re: Women [Re: lifeiswhatyoumake] * 2
    #23972199 - 01/01/17 01:06 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

All this arguing on baby stuff going on I guess I'll just share some perspective as a mom. I think in total for our sons stuff as a newborn I spent....

-$150 for car seat/stroller combo
-$200 for crib and mattress (IKEA ya'll)
-$50 for pack n play pen
-$50 for high chair
-$50 for bottles
-$20 for diaper bag and changing pad
-$40 for blankets and receiving blankets
-$0 for clothes as we got a ton from the baby shower until age 1. You only need really 2-3 onsies for each periodic age (1-3months, 4-6months, etc.) My son was pretty much only in a diaper for his first year.
-$20 medicine bag
-$20 for bath stuff (we had a giant bottle of johnsons baby shampoo that lasted a whole year)
-$30ish for nipple pads
-$15 breast feeding bra
-$5 for vaseline which was nipple cream and for his circumsion, as well as for rashes and his umbilical cord.


We got a free breast pump from the hospital, but it was manual. We got free formula from WIC. But formula could easily cost you $100+ a month. We got Medicaid for our son so free healthcare too.

Monthly stuff was about $80-$100 worth of diapers. $30-$40 worth of wipes. And diaper rash cream if needed. Medicine for fevers ,etc if needed. $40 a year for winter coat and boots.

We bought toys from thrift stores or as gifts.

Our biggest financial things were normal rent, electric, gas, etc. We had awesome support from family in crisis situations so we were really lucky from that. Gov't aids helps out tremendously in my opinion. My son didnt seem that expensive but if we didnt have medical for him or WIC for formula and food it would have been extremely hard.

You do not need alot to take care of a baby, but you do need essentials. You dont need a changing station, you just need a pad which you can get with the diaper bag. You dont need a ton of toys, and we just got them from the thrift store and sanitized them. He grew out of stuff so fast, and the same with clothes. Walmart has really cheap clothes while they are growing up too. I never got a baby harness or fancy feeding pillow. Although next time around I will def get one of those pillows. Hecks yes.

That was normal until about age 3. After age 3 we really needed mostly clothes and food. Clothes only once a year, about $100. The expenses died down more.

But now he is almost 9 and he gets new clothes twice a year bc he is growing so fast. About $300 a year. Food is the biggest expense for him monthly. If we put him into sports there would be that cost, etc.

I would guess as a teenager the same would be with clothes twice a year and more expensive. Maybe $500 a year. And food pretty much doubling. And more expensive interests.




As a young teen my mom received child support for $300 total for 3 kids a month. We were on food stamps and aid. My mom worked all the time and was barely home. Our apartment was quite shit and in a ghetto area but not super bad. When she remarried a marine we were given a better life bc of military allowances. We werent living spectacular but we had what we needed with splurging on holidays.

Section 8 has waits for years on the list and the places you get depend on where you live. Closer to cities will get you crappier section 8 housing. But that was in North Carolina and Virginia near the coasts. Daycare is also very expensive but you can get help and tax credits for those. But we never wanted our kid in daycare. You also get over $4k EIC tax for being low income with a child, more for more kids, each year under $36k gross income (I think thats the correct number). Also grants to help you in college. You will get grants until a Bachelors degree as long as you dont muck up grades. And you can also take out school loans, which sucks but I did bc I needed to work less to focus and use the money on monthly expenses like rent, etc. A gamble I really hope pays off.


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Re: Women [Re: pachoo] * 2
    #23972215 - 01/01/17 01:12 AM (7 years, 29 days ago)

You forgot to mention your babies sumo name :mad2:


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