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Re: Women [Re: Paradigm Shift] * 3
    #23971389 - 12/31/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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You can't just have a baby and then assume to be immune from life itself.

You are still responsible for yourself and now your responsible for raising another liffe form too that YOU chose to create.  You chose it.

Please stop blaming others and blaming men.  You are equal to us.

We want to help but we don't know what to do anymore because your ego is in the way.  You seem to have the belief that because your female you are good and that men are bad.

You won't accept equality yet claim to want equality?

I'm sorry you ruined your life with a bad choice but don't blame men or your children.





didnt a man take part in making that bad choice?

now suck it up and pay your child support


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: qman] * 1
    #23971423 - 12/31/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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We have a system which encourages multiple fathers and discourages marriage, as a result we have broken households and shitty family structures.

There was a day and time when single women getting pregnant was a social disagree for her and her entire family, I'm not saying that was totally acceptable, but as least there was some standard, today there are zero standards for women and their children.




No we have sex drives that we can barely control and often unrealistic expectations for ourselves and others.

That is nothing new, and you can bitch all you like but it isn't likely to change.  If it helps go ahead and cry about it tho, I won't judge.


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: qman]
    #23971436 - 12/31/16 05:38 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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We have a system which encourages multiple fathers and discourages marriage, as a result we have broken households and shitty family structures.

There was a day and time when single women getting pregnant was a social disagree for her and her entire family, I'm not saying that was totally acceptable, but as least there was some standard, today there are zero standards for women and their children.




Where are the standards for men? Seems like men are very seldom blamed or shamed if they have a child that they barely see, or only do the bare minimum of paying child support to.

Perhaps if society had higher standards for men we wouldn't see this kind of behavior.

It's not like women have all the power and can force men into marrying them if they don't want to. Single motherhood is so rampant because men are often complete failures as fathers and end up becoming absentees.


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: Paradigm Shift]
    #23971441 - 12/31/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

cry me a fuckin' river why dontcha

on second thought no


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971450 - 12/31/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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We have a system which encourages multiple fathers and discourages marriage, as a result we have broken households and shitty family structures.

There was a day and time when single women getting pregnant was a social disagree for her and her entire family, I'm not saying that was totally acceptable, but as least there was some standard, today there are zero standards for women and their children.




Where are the standards for men? Seems like men are very seldom blamed or shamed if they have a child that they barely see, or only do the bare minimum of paying child support to.

Perhaps if society had higher standards for men we wouldn't see this kind of behavior.

It's not like women have all the power and can force men into marrying them if they don't want to. Single motherhood is so rampant because men are often complete failures as fathers and end up becoming absentees.




Men can't get pregnant, that's why there's a different standard, but men used to get shamed into marrying the woman they impregnated, that standard or shame no longer exists.

"Single motherhood is so rampant because men are often complete failures as fathers"

The system encourages them to be failures, when a woman receives welfare and other social benefits from being a single mother as opposed to struggling with her low-income baby's daddy, it's a real simple choice.


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: qman] * 1
    #23971462 - 12/31/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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The system encourages them to be failures, when a woman receives welfare and other social benefits from being a single mother as opposed to struggling with her low-income baby's daddy, it's a real simple choice.




I don't think that's the explanation for single motherhood, low-income people use those government benefits regardless of whether the father is involved and with the mother or not.


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971480 - 12/31/16 06:02 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

Does the mother have to pay alimony if the father raises the child(ren) by himself? I know very little about the subject.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971483 - 12/31/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Most the girls I grew up with now have babies from fathers all over.  They don't even raise the children, the fathers care for them.  They just sit in their government free house getting drunk and acting life a 14 year old yet producing more and more children.  Thats the way we've created our society and this is the result.

None of the men even speak up cuz the women have a vagina they want to stick their dick in still.  So they just get away with it.  These children know they are bastard kids and go out and fuck up society cuz they are pissed off with having no real family.  Their parents created them to get a flat.

A lot of them are pimping the men out, they get multiple fathers, get a free house and multiple income streams as the fathers are forced to pay money to the government afterwards so the women use this to create a job.  They can get houses and multiple income streams the more different men they fuck and create kids with for the system.




The stuff you say doesn't even make sense.

First you claim they are bastard children, yet their fathers are the ones that care for them. Well they aren't bastard children then, are they?

Also what is a "government free" house. Is there a program out there that gives free housing to people automatically just because they have children, because I have never heard of such a program. Surely you can tell us the name of this program, that offers completely free housing to mothers.

...




Tried looking into social supports for the UK, and think OP may be complaining that apparently people with more children get a larger monthly benefit for housing, because they need to pay to rent larger places
https://www.gov.uk/housing-benefit/what-youll-get
then also get separate payments for having children
https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-rates

Do not personally live in the UK, but it seems somewhat reminiscent of the systems we have here in Canada.

Am generally in the camp that people should get extra money from the government for not having children, but am on disability and made the decision to undergo medical sterilization rather than deal with the repercussions of having a kid in my position.  My position is likely quite heavily biased.
Noteworthy that the government also covers the cost of such sterilization procedures though. :cookiemonster:

Here in Canada, the housing benefit is calculated on a case-by-case benefit, and the amount they give me is directly correlated with my monthly rent payments -- get enough from the housing benefit to cover the cost of housing and utilities; my life is by no means glamorous, but it gives me a place to live and facilitates a means of accessing treatment programs that will hopefully one day get me off disability, rather than having to scrape out a living on the street and not having the opportunity to potentially better myself. :shrug:


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: lets drive around] * 2
    #23971484 - 12/31/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Does the mother have to pay alimony if the father raises the child(ren) by himself? I know very little about the subject.




Yes, absolutely. In fact, a coworker that I know is in this exact situation. He is raising his son by himself and took his former partner to court and she pays child support to him every month.

The amount that she was ordered to pay is paltry too, it's like $300 a month or something, which is nothing in terms of cost to raise a child. But the average monthly child support payment is only $327 or something like that. That might be enough to cover his kid's food and health insurance payments, but that's about it.

The amount of child support he was awarded is probably that low, because I'm guessing he makes a lot more than her. I know he makes pretty good money, at least $60 grand a year.

But at least his child is 7 or 8 and not a baby anymore.


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Re: Women [Re: Tantrika]
    #23971502 - 12/31/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Tried looking into social supports for the UK, and think OP may be complaining that apparently people with more children get a larger monthly benefit for housing, because they need to pay to rent larger places
https://www.gov.uk/housing-benefit/what-youll-get
then also get separate payments for having children
https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-rates

Do not personally live in the UK, but it seems somewhat reminiscent of the systems we have here in Canada.




See, in the USA we have "section 8 housing," which is a similar program. But these houses are usually crappy in the worst of ghettos, with tons of crime and drugs and gun and violence, and the homes are often filthy full of cockroaches and rats too.

It's not a place you'd ever want to live, if you had the choice of living anywhere else. It's basically for people who are practically homeless and have no other option.

And these houses are not completely free, either. You must be working to get them, and they simply take a portion out of your paycheck for rent. People who aren't working only have the option of living in a homeless shelter.

That's what I was confused about, is the "completely free government housing" OP is talking about. Because at least in the USA, there is no such thing.


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Re: Women (moved) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971521 - 12/31/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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qman said:
The system encourages them to be failures, when a woman receives welfare and other social benefits from being a single mother as opposed to struggling with her low-income baby's daddy, it's a real simple choice.




I don't think that's the explanation for single motherhood, low-income people use those government benefits regardless of whether the father is involved and with the mother or not.




They get more when they're not married, I think you know how the game is played, this isn't rocket science.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971544 - 12/31/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Tried looking into social supports for the UK, and think OP may be complaining that apparently people with more children get a larger monthly benefit for housing, because they need to pay to rent larger places
https://www.gov.uk/housing-benefit/what-youll-get
then also get separate payments for having children
https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-rates

Do not personally live in the UK, but it seems somewhat reminiscent of the systems we have here in Canada.




See, in the USA we have "section 8 housing," which is a similar program. But these houses are usually crappy in the worst of ghettos, with tons of crime and drugs and gun and violence, and the homes are often filthy full of cockroaches and rats too.

It's not a place you'd ever want to live, if you had the choice of living anywhere else. It's basically for people who are practically homeless and have no other option.





lol... tell us about your experiences living in section 8 housing

I lived there when I was in my teens. a friend of mine owned a couple of homes
that were paid for under section 8, they were nice, modest suburban homes, well
cared for by another friend of mine. the 3 of us were roomies at one point and we
abducted the guy which is how we met.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971561 - 12/31/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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Crystal G said:
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SweetLeafSamadhi said:
Tried looking into social supports for the UK, and think OP may be complaining that apparently people with more children get a larger monthly benefit for housing, because they need to pay to rent larger places
https://www.gov.uk/housing-benefit/what-youll-get
then also get separate payments for having children
https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-rates

Do not personally live in the UK, but it seems somewhat reminiscent of the systems we have here in Canada.




See, in the USA we have "section 8 housing," which is a similar program. But these houses are usually crappy in the worst of ghettos, with tons of crime and drugs and gun and violence, and the homes are often filthy full of cockroaches and rats too.

It's not a place you'd ever want to live, if you had the choice of living anywhere else. It's basically for people who are practically homeless and have no other option.

And these houses are not completely free, either. You must be working to get them, and they simply take a portion out of your paycheck for rent. People who aren't working only have the option of living in a homeless shelter.

That's what I was confused about, is the "completely free government housing" OP is talking about. Because at least in the USA, there is no such thing.




well did you know that other countries actually dont have to do what america does? Did you know that they might have there own culture and government? You cant just assume that everything is like murica...

Women always say that want a nice caring man... but then ALWAYS choose the shitty abusive one. Just how women work.


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Re: Women [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23971565 - 12/31/16 06:37 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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lol... tell us about your experiences living in section 8 housing

I lived there when I was in my teens. a friend of mine owned a couple of homes
that were paid for under section 8, they were nice, modest suburban homes, well
cared for by another friend of mine. the 3 of us were roomies at one point and we
abducted the guy which is how we met.




Must be different based on the region I guess, in the city you aren't going to get to live in a nice neighborhood under Section 8.


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Re: Women [Re: kakashi68]
    #23971568 - 12/31/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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well did you know that other countries actually dont have to do what america does? Did you know that they might have there own culture and government? You cant just assume that everything is like murica...

Women always say that want a nice caring man... but then ALWAYS choose the shitty abusive one. Just how women work.




I didn't realize OP was from the UK, we have very few Europeans on this site and only a couple Canadians, most of the members here are Americans so why is it so absurd to assume that OP was also an American?

Yes, ALL women ALWAYS chose the shitty abusive man. Because clearly 100% of all men in serious relationships are abusive. :facepalm:

Where do people even get this crap from? Do you even know a woman who is a victim of DV?


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Re: Women [Re: kakashi68] * 1
    #23971584 - 12/31/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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well did you know that other countries actually dont have to do what america does? Did you know that they might have there own culture and government? You cant just assume that everything is like murica...

Women always say that want a nice caring man... but then ALWAYS choose the shitty abusive one. Just how women work.




So what you're saying, is that EVERY man who is in a relationship with a woman is shitty and abusive when compared to "nice caring men".  That is nexbeard territory man.  It's really just as simplistic as men who go out there saying, "women want to get treated like shit, they like it."

I mean most of out problem, men and women, is that we are fickle, vulnerable, frightened.  People who are going to rail on one or the other saying they are the problem are merely projecting their own issues.

Why do you think people say love sucks?  It's no picnic, and it certainly doesn't make sense.  We all want someone who is loving, reasonable, honest but the thing is you can't be loving and be like "fuck you bitch, it's all your fault," that's just being a bitter asshole.


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971610 - 12/31/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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well did you know that other countries actually dont have to do what america does? Did you know that they might have there own culture and government? You cant just assume that everything is like murica...

Women always say that want a nice caring man... but then ALWAYS choose the shitty abusive one. Just how women work.




I didn't realize OP was from the UK, we have very few Europeans on this site and only a couple Canadians, most of the members here are Americans so why is it so absurd to assume that OP was also an American?

Yes, ALL women ALWAYS chose the shitty abusive man. Because clearly 100% of all men in serious relationships are abusive. :facepalm:

Where do people even get this crap from? Do you even know a woman who is a victim of DV?




yep two of my closest friends are victims.

OP clearly stated he was from UK.


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Re: Women [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23971614 - 12/31/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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So what you're saying, is that EVERY man who is in a relationship with a woman is shitty and abusive when compared to "nice caring men".  That is nexbeard territory man.  It's really just as simplistic as men who go out there saying, "women want to get treated like shit, they like it."

I mean most of out problem, men and women, is that we are fickle, vulnerable, frightened.  People who are going to rail on one or the other saying they are the problem are merely projecting their own issues.

Why do you think people say love sucks?  It's no picnic, and it certainly doesn't make sense.  We all want someone who is loving, reasonable, honest but the thing is you can't be loving and be like "fuck you bitch, it's all your fault," that's just being a bitter asshole.




It's always some neckbeard shit, these are the same guys that claim that women like "douchebags," and like to come up with a million reasons for why women gloss them over. "Oh it's because I'm too nice," "I'm not enough of a douchebag" or whatever, when in actuality the real reason is because they simply don't have appealing traits. Women who look like models aren't going to go for 500lb ugly neckbeards who spend all day playing Counterstrike, shocking isn't it?


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Re: Women [Re: Crystal G]
    #23971620 - 12/31/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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moonrockmushy said:
So what you're saying, is that EVERY man who is in a relationship with a woman is shitty and abusive when compared to "nice caring men".  That is nexbeard territory man.  It's really just as simplistic as men who go out there saying, "women want to get treated like shit, they like it."

I mean most of out problem, men and women, is that we are fickle, vulnerable, frightened.  People who are going to rail on one or the other saying they are the problem are merely projecting their own issues.

Why do you think people say love sucks?  It's no picnic, and it certainly doesn't make sense.  We all want someone who is loving, reasonable, honest but the thing is you can't be loving and be like "fuck you bitch, it's all your fault," that's just being a bitter asshole.




It's always some neckbeard shit, these are the same guys that claim that women like "douchebags," and like to come up with a million reasons for why women gloss them over. "Oh it's because I'm too nice," "I'm not enough of a douchebag" or whatever, when in actuality the real reason is because they simply don't have what it takes. Women who look like models aren't going to go for 500lb neckbeards who spend all day playing Counterstrike, shocking isn't it?




lol. what bs. Women just like douchebags... its just a physiological fact. You cant get around it. Now yes of course you still cant go out of your league. But there is no fucking excuse for women to stay with people who abuse them mentally and physically. Those kind of women just like that shit whether they admit it or not.


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Re: Women [Re: kakashi68]
    #23971646 - 12/31/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 30 days ago)

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lol. what bs. Women just like douchebags... its just a physiological fact. You cant get around it.




That's not anymore true than saying that men like bimbos.

It's simply scientific fact that bimbos and douchebags go together like peanut butter and jelly.


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