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A lot of beginner questions
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Hi there, I have a few questions about cacti.
I was wanting to know the best starting cactus for a beginner, I did some starting research and had my eye on T. Bridgesii or perhaps a San Pedro. Can you cultivate these indoors in England? I wouldn't mind buying special lights if that was necessary.
Should I start from seed if I choose to grow?
How long from seed to "big enough" does it take roughly?
How long from (small) cutting to "big enough" does it take?
Does cultivation involve any exotic substrate ingredients that are hard to find?
Thanks a lot in advance
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Only part i can help with, is that im in england and have bought seedlings, grown and also grown many from seed and had no issues. In winter if have seedlings we need a light to get them through but i leave the adults to go dormant til spring. (I only started last spring so my first year)
I started off with williamsii and a few different trich types, and theyre all alive, so far
Growing from seed is rewarding i find ^_^ i use a mix, varies but for trichs i use compost, perlite and a stones mix from the garden centre, seems to be working.
Ill let more experienced folks advise anything else have fun!
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: Spellbound]
#23969260 - 12/30/16 09:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Espoma is a good brand of nutrients.
Bridgesii is stronger than Pedro. Ime take 2 thirds of your dose lengths off of bridgesii amount.
At least 2 feet of 2-3 inch diameter Pedro for a dose, especially first time, best to get feel undeniable and strong enough. More will never hurt you physically.
15 inches of bridgesii is pretty solid ime.
Considering that some o saw generally grew 1-1.5 feet per year, do your math to get dose.
Best advice do no eating, or no more than one eating at best, for first 3 years. It'll be hard to stop em then, even with several dose a year if you're having five cacti or so growing. Make it ten.
Never went from seed, can't say. When you harvest save replant the tips.
Sorry for math op. Inches, feet, etc. Hope I helped .
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Meant to say take 1/3rd from bridgesii amount, if some can help clarify it's great
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Cheers guys, sounds good!
What ratio of compost/stones/perlite do you usually use?
How often do you water?
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With trichs i use a third part of all three as they can manage with more soil than some others. I water every now and then in summer, not at all in winter. Im in uk so not very very hot here haha! Will vary dept where you live. I try not to water too often so not to rott them.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: Spellbound]
#23970617 - 12/31/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Hey libs cacti time is it lol. I have lophs and trichs they grow perfectly well. My trichs are in the conservatory which is unheated and fooking cold and they are completely fine. Mine are all planted in coco coir and perlite as that's all I have lying around and they do fine.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23970629 - 12/31/16 12:21 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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 these I planted a year ago I got them for Christmas
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#23971931 - 12/31/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 30 days ago) |
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Cheers spellbound 
Haha aye hey Mazdar, nice collection you got there. Cool to see that cacti seem very low maintenance
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I did some starting research and had my eye on T. Bridgesii or perhaps a San Pedro. Can you cultivate these indoors in England?
We use a well-draining soil, but cacti can be exposed to enough mist, to grow lichens and moss on their surfaces, and can also be covered in snow.
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I wouldn't mind buying special lights if that was necessary.
In that situation, I would mimic extreme, desert sun.
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Should I start from seed if I choose to grow?
If you're very careful, you can have many more cacti, for the same price.
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How long from seed to "big enough" does it take roughly?
2-3 years or 2-3 inches, whichever comes first.
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How long from (small) cutting to "big enough" does it take?
If it's kept warm, it should be well-rooted, in a couple of months.
I think it takes longer than a standard houseplant.
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Does cultivation involve any exotic substrate ingredients that are hard to find?
See the 'stone eaters' thread, for more detail.
The seeds contain a symbiotic bacteria, which will allow them to digest rocks. In a barely-damp crevice, they may actually grow roots, through a boulder.
I might avoid sand, from the ocean, although salt does accumulate, in the desert.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008]
#24012389 - 01/15/17 03:02 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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2-3 years or 2-3 inches is that just lophs your refering to as my trichs grew nearly two foot in their first year of life.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24012485 - 01/15/17 03:50 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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Lophs would be exceptions to the rule, as they are very slow growers.
For columnar cacti, or just about anything else, I would say to let them get 2-3 inches tall.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008]
#24012523 - 01/15/17 04:06 PM (7 years, 15 days ago) |
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I real wanna sample my trichs but id feel real guilty about hurting them. My lophs have a tonne of pups I could sacrifice lol
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24022450 - 01/19/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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They are more woody than fleshy, inside.
They leave skeletons behind, which kind-of reminds of coral.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008]
#24022498 - 01/19/17 09:55 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Cool kinda makes me wanna cut it up now
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24022562 - 01/19/17 10:17 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Feels like cutting a tree.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008]
#24022566 - 01/19/17 10:18 AM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Thats cool plus now I dont have to do it to feed my curiosity
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24022778 - 01/19/17 12:05 PM (7 years, 11 days ago) |
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Whoa, that's not at all what I'd expect it to look like! Interesting
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Some people, online, also consider tumbleweeds to be exotic and interesting. And, I have even heard of planting them, on purpose. 
Cactus skeletons are a familiar sight, for us -- along the lines of seeing a fallen leaf or dry stick -- in parts of the American southwest, which have not yet become tract housing and outlet malls.
This would be unusual, here. I'm just making note that it's physically-possible:

I'm assuming the ground is not saturated, the air is open and moving around the plants.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008]
#24025527 - 01/20/17 12:36 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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What the hell am I looking at looks like some alien planet
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: mrmazdarx9]
#24025600 - 01/20/17 01:05 PM (7 years, 10 days ago) |
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Chilean fog desert.
There are eventually going to be physical limits, but cacti can be exposed to some humidity and some freezing temps.
We get snows, here, although the temperature would very rarely fall below freezing.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008] 1
#24027630 - 01/21/17 09:03 AM (7 years, 9 days ago) |
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Extreme climates like deserts really do resemble other planets
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That'd be cooler than shit if we could breed a cactus to withstand freezing temps reliably.... But how.... And how in hell would that soft flesh withstand that amount of damage to cell walls. The core I imagine could. But not the soft flesh....
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They say that PC plants in the ground can handle seriously cold temps (which would make sense because it's thought of to be a bolivian species, which definitely experience much lower temps), surviving through a night of 10f with nothing but a bit of tip damage but it must get warm again during the daytime, even normal trichs are good to 25f in the ground according to growers in california, but again, daytime temps must be pretty high, at least 50f
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: the_r3dz]
#24030837 - 01/22/17 03:11 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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We haven't seen 50f in the daytime for a while here. Last night went to 22f. The trichs don't care. Some are in the ground although under shelter and don't see direct watering from rains. Their roots have left their bed and have gone under my lawn where it is always damp, pulled up a bridgesii and was surprised by the extent the roots went into thick compacted permanently wet soil. The lophs are going through the same temps.
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What are your daytime temps?
It's so rad you can grow them outside there, these plants are amazing.
the growers I talk to in California say that their plants do fine as long as it doesn't stay cold for extended periods of time
There are quite a few pictures of lophs in texas that see 10f and are covered in snow Trout gives a talk where he discusses the types of extremes that Lophophora can handle
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: the_r3dz]
#24030898 - 01/22/17 03:28 PM (7 years, 8 days ago) |
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Daytime highs of 40f this week. I have a potted terscheckii that has been kept wet all winter for a test. They are generally ok outside if the roots are kept mostly dry, or located in a fortunate micro-climate.
This terscheckii is in the ground in the UK, and flowers. ~14ft in that pic, some years ago
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Did you pollinate it?
I can't believe you're doing that test on a terschekii lol I can understand using PC or something
It gets above freezing temps in the day, I imagine that's what's important, still very surprising lol but around here if it's -5c at night, it might only get up -2 maybe 0 in the day
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Oh that one isn't mine!
I am sacrificing some of my terscheckii from seed to some tests. It is our winter rains or regular freeze/thaw that can kill outdoor cacti, more than the actual temperature. No need for heating here in greenhouses for trichs, and lophs apart from real rare cold snaps.
I've never come across PC over here. Nurseries don't carry too many trichs, but then we have easy and ample loph supplies 
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How long from seed to "big enough" does it take roughly?
A trich in the uk from seed, optimally grown (outdoors/greenhouse/conservatory, not a windowsill), ideally bridgesii for consistency, I'd estimate 6-8 years.
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Some good info on temps in here I'm starting to think these plants can handle more water and organics in the soil than people think. This summer I'm going to experiment with upping my organics in my soil of some trichs and watering more, just letting them dry a couple inches down before watering.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: NDStepp84]
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I personally wouldn't change both variables at the same time, scientific method and all that
My thought behind the mineral mix is that you can theoretically give the cactus more water, because the mineral mix dries faster you can water 2-3 times per week in the summer I can't imagine an organic soil drying out fast enough to need watering any more than once a week if that so it sits in soggy soil for a whole week until it's soaked again
From my understanding, cactus grow their roots as the soil dries, so I would think that's when they do the most water absorption
If you have seen any of the dude's trip to Peru's pictures, there are trichs with 20 arms 15' high that are less than 50" from river's edge, one was literally on the river bank the amount of water that these plants can handle is insane
Here's an example
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and another...
 seems I might have underestimated the number of arms and height ;D some seriously huge plants
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: the_r3dz]
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Was thinking of dropping the mineral only by 10-15% or so to be on the safe side, I have a couple I could stand to loose but as long as I don't overdo it I think they will be fine. That's awesome! you know the roots are down under that stream soaking it up.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: NDStepp84]
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yeah man they are crazy resilient I look forward to your results
he posted photos of the soil and it was surprisingly rocky, and the dirt really didn't seem too rich really dusty and sandy
but then you have the pachanoi that live in the rainforests of ecuador, I'm sure they have some pretty rich soil
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: the_r3dz]
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the growers I talk to in California say that their plants do fine as long as it doesn't stay cold for extended periods of time
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What are your daytime temps?
Averages are reported to be 95 in the summer and 50's, in the winter.
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That'd be cooler than shit if we could breed a cactus to withstand freezing temps reliably.... But how....
Grafting has conferred cold tolerance, in the case of cucumbers.
And, cacti are commonly grafted.
I find that desert cacti are commonly cold tolerant, to around 20F.
But, succulent, jungle epiphytes would tend to be more tender.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008]
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6-8 years!? This really is a patience thing :p
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My opuntia is getting some cracks in it, like tomatoes and peppers do, after summer monsoons.
Rain is pooling in planters, with holes, in the bottom.
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From a past post, grown in England. The top cut rooted easily and the remaining stump pushed pups. The centre cut gave 17g of dried flesh.
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Mostly_Harmless said: This is one of a pot of seedlings picked up at a local garden centre. All 4 were planted out in an in-ground bed inside my greenhouse in 2011, unheated, and survive our winters well. I estimate they were in maybe their 2nd or 3rd year at time of purchase, 3-4" tall.
June 2011

December 2012

June 2013 (it is the one on the left)

October 2013

August 2014

The centre piece is 22" and weighs 1kg, the top cut is 8".
2 years later, I chopped another 2. I think these 2 were 1.4 to 1.7kg each.
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Cool progress log!
Was it an independent garden centre you went to or a chain one?
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From a small chain of garden centres owned by one family in my area. The only time I have seen trichs there, lophs are more likely to be found. I have seen TBM just once too, at an independent garden centre.
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From a past post, grown in England. The top cut rooted easily and the remaining stump pushed pups. The centre cut gave 17g of dried flesh.
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Mostly_Harmless said: This is one of a pot of seedlings picked up at a local garden centre. All 4 were planted out in an in-ground bed inside my greenhouse in 2011, unheated, and survive our winters well. I estimate they were in maybe their 2nd or 3rd year at time of purchase, 3-4" tall.
June 2011

December 2012

June 2013 (it is the one on the left)

October 2013

August 2014

The centre piece is 22" and weighs 1kg, the top cut is 8".
2 years later, I chopped another 2. I think these 2 were 1.4 to 1.7kg each.

I think I recognise those :rofl
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: Spellbound]
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6-8 years is a long wait, to establish a root system, but, if you were to harvest the cuttings, new growth will not take so long.
Nice plants are apparently valuable.
So, a sturdy planter can become a business.
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Re: A lot of beginner questions [Re: durian_2008]
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Some of mine grew from an inch at most to about 2ft in a year. In england. But mine are grown under grow lights not shitty english weather
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I think I recognise those :rofl
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