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Duncan Rowhl
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redgreenvines said: meditation is not close to death. it is hyper alive but calm as fuck. this is not like death.
The one who meditates decides and swearing in a sentence containing 'calm' is not calm.
We can only question then if you actually meditate. 
who is 'we'? and why would 'we' question; is it because I am not part of your tribe? I an allowed to use the word 'fuck' when I mean things and want to shake things up a bit.
The plural: 'We' would encompass anyone who reads and concludes to pose the same question.
The focus was on you presenting the state of calm as an oxymoron alongside swearing, which, in turn, suggested your claim to the contrary. Your posts, as someone who claims to meditate, do not in any way portray calm, rather angered in a juvenile manner to a considerable and unnecessary degree.
Calm shaken is not calm. Q.E.D.
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liquidlounge

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liquidlounge said: Don't be silly, Duncan. You put forward the claim, and so you should really go first.
But I think it's a best guess as you have most likely no clue what death is, at all.
Unless you prove me wrong of course.
My meditation is my comfort, my words my contribution, proving you wrong - not my onus.
A civil exchange does not stem from simply naysaying.
Bidding you a milder night. 
You proved nothing. Why am I not surprised. 
I am not a part of your 'we', yet I am human like yourself, AFAIK. One of us is rationale, the other bordering delusional.
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Duncan Rowhl said: It's as close to 'death' as we can possibly achieve as well, non-toxicated beings.
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Duncan Rowhl
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I informed you that it wasn't my aim to prove you wrong.
That's maybe why you aren't surprised.
The human who is rational converses sensibly, lest they tire emotionally. Q.E.D.
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Yet you come up with a claim and include me (one would assume) in your claim but you're not able to back it up. Weak sauce, Duncan.
This is not the first time I've caught you trying to speak for me either.
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Duncan Rowhl
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liquidlounge said: Yet you come up with a claim and include me (one would assume) in your claim but you're not able to back it up. Weak sauce, Duncan.
This is not the first time I've caught you trying to speak for me either. 
The 'We' I spoke of referred to people who may hypothetically agree with the question I posed.
Unfortunately, I have no idea why you assumed and factored in yourself.
It is best to calm and comprehend before unleashing, unnecessary emotion.
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blingbling
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meditation is the "new" denial of death
- no way jose.
immersing in the moment is the antithesis of running away, the opposite of denial.
if it starts to become death denial, then you are witnessing an internal dialog, just take note and continue the practice.
(hold off writing that book for a few years)
Through immersion in the present moment we forget the past, stop worrying about the future and for many see through to the illusory nature of the self, correct?
In order to know death we must have a sense of the unique properties of our individual self and must have knowledge of that self existing in time, and time of course will eat us alive.
Meditation denies, destroys, mystifies, whatever you want to call it; the self existing in time hence it can act as a denial of finitude.
There is also the issue of nirvana or enlightenment which for many is really just oriental heaven.
-------------------- Kupo said: let's fuel the robots with psilocybin. cez said: everyone should smoke dmt for religion. dustinthewind13 said: euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building. White Beard said: if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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You're likely to find that your destructive ego is restraining you from benefits which will challenge its own existence or you've been guided towards a form of meditation by the destructive ego which is presenting a tainted, untrue version.
Methods that induce destruction of the ego like those practiced in meditation and by psychonuaghts is often a psychological defence mechanism because having an ego is hard. I've seen this a number of times in people who are severely mentally ill and go into a catatonic state to avoid reality.
-------------------- Kupo said: let's fuel the robots with psilocybin. cez said: everyone should smoke dmt for religion. dustinthewind13 said: euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building. White Beard said: if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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liquidlounge said: Yet you come up with a claim and include me (one would assume) in your claim but you're not able to back it up. Weak sauce, Duncan.
This is not the first time I've caught you trying to speak for me either. 
The 'We' I spoke of referred to people who may hypothetically agree with the question I posed.
Unfortunately, I have no idea why you assumed and factored in yourself.
Haha, I could have done the same thing as you do now in the other thread. Heck, I could have said I demonstrated how to act best only for you people to understand it. But no I don't. And neither do I think you're being sincere with me. I guess, I'll never know.
Because I am a non-toxicated being:
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Duncan Rowhl said: It's as close to 'death' as we can possibly achieve as well, non-toxicated beings.
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I guess, I'll never know.
It's all as far as we assume to know.
That's why we keep it calm and civil.
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You're likely to find that your destructive ego is restraining you from benefits which will challenge its own existence or you've been guided towards a form of meditation by the destructive ego which is presenting a tainted, untrue version.
Methods that induce destruction of the ego like those practiced in meditation and by psychonuaghts is often a psychological defence mechanism because having an ego is hard. I've seen this a number of times in people who are severely mentally ill and go into a catatonic state to avoid reality.
It certainly can't be denied as a viable point. 
Granted, People who are invested in the material can claim that those 'psychonaughts' are fighting for an escape.
On a personal level, are you a user of mushrooms? If so, is your agenda to purely look deeper into this physical existence which you regard as the only?
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You're likely to find that your destructive ego is restraining you from benefits which will challenge its own existence or you've been guided towards a form of meditation by the destructive ego which is presenting a tainted, untrue version.
Methods that induce destruction of the ego like those practiced in meditation and by psychonuaghts is often a psychological defence mechanism because having an ego is hard. I've seen this a number of times in people who are severely mentally ill and go into a catatonic state to avoid reality.
It certainly can't be denied as a viable point. 
Granted, People who are invested in the material can claim that those people are fighting for an escape.
On a personal level, are you a user of mushrooms? If so, is your agenda to purely look deeper into this physical existence which you regard as the only?
I have used mushrooms, but don't intend to do them for a while. I might take the shroom up again when my kids leave home, which will be many years away. I often fantasise about retiring and going up into the hills every couple of weeks, camping in the rainforest, reading and doing shrooms. But that will be a while off.
I don't really know what I was looking for when I did shrooms. I guess I'm just a seeker like everyone seems to be here.
-------------------- Kupo said: let's fuel the robots with psilocybin. cez said: everyone should smoke dmt for religion. dustinthewind13 said: euthanasia and prostitution should be legal and located in the same building. White Beard said: if you see the buddha on the road, rape him, then kill him. then rape him again.
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liquidlounge

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I guess, I'll never know.
It's all as far as we assume to know.
That's why we keep it calm and civil.
You keep talking about being calm, yet you seem to stir lots of emotions in other people.
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Duncan Rowhl
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I guess, I'll never know.
It's all as far as we assume to know.
That's why we keep it calm and civil.
You keep talking about being calm, yet you seem to stir lots of emotions in other people.
We stir emotions in ourselves.
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liquidlounge

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Fuck yes! Say that to the rape victim who is angry and anxious.
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Duncan Rowhl
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You're likely to find that your destructive ego is restraining you from benefits which will challenge its own existence or you've been guided towards a form of meditation by the destructive ego which is presenting a tainted, untrue version.
Methods that induce destruction of the ego like those practiced in meditation and by psychonuaghts is often a psychological defence mechanism because having an ego is hard. I've seen this a number of times in people who are severely mentally ill and go into a catatonic state to avoid reality.
It certainly can't be denied as a viable point. 
Granted, People who are invested in the material can claim that those people are fighting for an escape.
On a personal level, are you a user of mushrooms? If so, is your agenda to purely look deeper into this physical existence which you regard as the only?
I have used mushrooms, but don't intend to do them for a while. I might take the shroom up again when my kids leave home, which will be many years away. I often fantasise about retiring and going up into the hills every couple of weeks, camping in the rainforest, reading and doing shrooms. But that will be a while off.
I don't really know what I was looking for when I did shrooms. I guess I'm just a seeker like everyone seems to be here.
I think the experience is shaped initially by our personality but the experiences are enough to reshape to quite an extent. I don't think the personality loses its qualities, but rather strips away the unnecessary traits to a point where we become more useful as a whole.
A large majority of the 'spiritual' I feel is felt as a residual 'glow' rather than visual experiences, though I've had a considerable amount of profound ones which have left me awestruck.
The rainforest sound enchanting. I hope it serves you well when the time comes.
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liquidlounge said: Fuck yes! Say that to the rape victim who is angry and anxious.
It would be healthy for you to cease now.
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You're a provocateur.
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Duncan Rowhl
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liquidlounge said: You're a provocateur.
Your persisting torment is but a product of your own hands.
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Duncan; as polite as your words may be, you do not represent we, as we know it. and I do know a lot about meditation, and thought of other kinds as well. and it has nothing to do with death, nirvana, or any other "mara" unless you introduce it, usually nothing is added.
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I used to do yoga, that's pretty good. I also did my own animal yoga with poses that each represent a different animal.
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