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#23967049 - 12/29/16 11:26 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Curious as to what some of your opinions are on aliens. And if/how they effect our world/dimension. Do drugs of psychedelia bring us closer to superior, higher intellectual beings? Is it all mumbo jumbo? Who were the shamans communicating with?
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
#23967063 - 12/29/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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We definitely can't be the only life source out there. There's billions of galaxies. Some people see aliens and ufos on psychedelics. There's ancient cave drawings of aliens. Maybe they were tripping and saw entities?..
Can't forget about all the UFO videos and abduction stories. Some of them are fake, but there has to be some that are real. I think some abduction stories come from people triggering dmt in there sleep. There's a lot of abduction stories when people take dmt. Just my few opinions.
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Could it be that these drugs are opening doorways to a world inside of our own? Are we part of some sort of experiment? Perhaps a alternate universe world influencer? Kind of trippy to think about.
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
#23967111 - 12/30/16 12:33 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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if humanity started doing this proposed continuous drip DMT feed study, we'd have more answers by then!!
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Dmt has confirmed my belief in aliens.
If not aliens they are certainly higher beings, living in a higher frequency.
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
#23967119 - 12/30/16 12:40 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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drugs arnt adding anything different that our brains dont already make, so i can see shamans or what have you just having wacky wired brains making them think they can see beyond this world, but perception is still just seeing this world differently, no different inner outer worlds... and i cant see how we can confirm anything for sure when all you have to rely on for evidence is your subjective experience.. id like to know what about the trip confirmed your belief
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MinnesnowtaNice said: Dmt has confirmed my belief in aliens.
If not aliens they are certainly higher beings, living in a higher frequency.
Yes, I think there is a degree of confusion between aliens and higher dimensional/spirit beings.
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Higher beings are aliens to our current worldview because society keeps us from getting to these archaic knowledge...
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Kinshino said: We definitely can't be the only life source out there. There's billions of galaxies. Some people see aliens and ufos on psychedelics. There's ancient cave drawings of aliens. Maybe they were tripping and saw entities?..
Can't forget about all the UFO videos and abduction stories. Some of them are fake, but there has to be some that are real. I think some abduction stories come from people triggering dmt in there sleep. There's a lot of abduction stories when people take dmt. Just my few opinions.
Kinshino that signature of yours is bloody brilliant mate - reminds me of a trance i went into with a Tulip whilst vibrating with her on mushrooms one time.
I like to trip in bed in a dark room most of the time and it's there i've come into contact with many, many aliens. Most notably and unforgettably, a beautiful black woman dancing with maracas which caused slight disturbances in a rainbow breeze. She looked at me and I was overcome with intense warmth, care and sexual bliss. When she smiled my eyes lit up with every pulsating, beautiful colour of the spectrum of light in it's incredible entirety. I was sad to leave her all encompassing, unworldy beauty but ultimately grateful for having experienced her.
On another occasion i felt a presence of something small but very powerful. It entered me and my spine rippled up and down from the bottom to the top so hard one part of me thought it might break or pull out of my flesh whilst some other part revelled in the intense sexual paradise i found myself in as i yelped in an emotionally charged mixup of emotions. As it left me i awoke, furiously masturbating in an attempt to, it seemed, release some pressure whilst the entity floated away.
Some of the aliens i've seen aren't particularly friendly however and i feel like i've only narrowly escaped them - i've been pinned to the bed at times, struggling to tear myself away. I've seen reptiles looking down on me as i lie paralysed, saying to eachother, 'He's conscious, how is he conscious?'.
I've tried to entertain the idea that this has all come from my own brain and whilst i agree the mind is extremely powerful, i see no reason why i would lie to myself - there would be some indication that the many entities i've seen have come from within me. Much of the weirdness from tripping can indeed be put down to facets of my own mind, but others have a particular 'out there' feel to them - something separate, something not of this particular mathematical concept we call earth.
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If infact these beings are real, what do you think they want from us? Do they need our help? Are they just showing themselves to us because they have the ability to? Do these negative beings perhaps feast on our negative energy(fear, paranoia, being a bad person)? While the positive beings are fueled by love and good intentions? Is there possibly some war going on between them? Is earth the chessboard?
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
#23967290 - 12/30/16 04:08 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think i've unwittingly taken the game to them - afterall, they were probably minding their own business until i turned up tripping blazing balls  
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Or have they been trying to reach you, and the rest of us, the entire time?
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
#23967301 - 12/30/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Perhaps. I don't know. I just know they're there, somewhere, out there. It seems like you've been deeply effected by one of these experiences?
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
#23967304 - 12/30/16 04:27 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well now that's a very interesting thought from CIA. What if they have been trying to contact us through various channels that the general public / academia dismiss and only few have access to, thru the understanding of mind expanding substances like shrooms or dmt?
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Re: Aliens [Re: CapnZ]
#23967310 - 12/30/16 04:37 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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What if all of these electronics erase our memory of many important facets of these "encounters". Causing us to think it was "just the drugs". Perhaps real life men in black ride by when you walk outside your house after a trip and erase your memory? I've had some crazy, unexplainable experiences. I've always just chalked it up to being "The drugs". Sometimes I wonder though.
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In your opinion are the negative entities potentially dangerous? Like could they linger on long after your trip, causing negativity in your life? If so, how would you get rid of them?
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I've read theories believing that can happen. Try meditation, living in a clean space, and projecting true, unbiased love into the universe at all times. What comes around goes around.
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pablokabute said: Higher beings are aliens to our current worldview because society keeps us from getting to these archaic knowledge...
Exactly. The UFO isnt alien either..its just our own soul that we have been deprived from thus making us believe it is alien
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I once saw a ring of grey aliens revolving on mushrooms. I used to see the balls when I was younger. They are little balls of electricity and they sound like a hummingbird. You usually see them out of the corner of your eye and then they split, but once I saw one right outside the window and it split at super high speed when I saw it.
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Re: Aliens [Re: Xena]
#23967811 - 12/30/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Xena said: drugs arnt adding anything different that our brains dont already make
There's no evidence for any of that and if anything that's a childish conclusion to draw. It's just your ego trying to make sense of the bizarre.
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sunshine said: I used to see the balls when I was younger. They are little balls of electricity and they sound like a hummingbird.
Because you were looking down and touching yourself.
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My last LSD trip I saw this praying mantis that was completely made of pulsating rainbow colors appear when I closed my eyes. It was only for a few seconds but I have read of other people experiencing similar entities while tripping.
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SonicTitan said: My last LSD trip I saw this praying mantis that was completely made of pulsating rainbow colors appear when I closed my eyes. It was only for a few seconds but I have read of other people experiencing similar entities while tripping.
Dude are you me?
I saw the mantis as well on LSD 
It was made of vibratory fields and was very alien.
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Wow thats nuts i saw the mantis on mushrooms and different colors were emanating from it as if it was creating the experience
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Its interesting how we all can have similar experiences like that. Is it because we somehow thought of a praying mantis in our sub conscious or is there really there mantis like being that live beyond our normal perception. Maybe these things are all around us all the time, just on different vibrational fields? Makes me want to create some sort of device that tunes into this frequency haha kind of like the movie From Beyond.
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Was this the same praying mantis? Or might we all have our own personal guardian praying mantis?
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SonicTitan said: Its interesting how we all can have similar experiences like that. Is it because we somehow thought of a praying mantis in our sub conscious or is there really there mantis like being that live beyond our normal perception. Maybe these things are all around us all the time, just on different vibrational fields? Makes me want to create some sort of device that tunes into this frequency haha kind of like the movie From Beyond.
Well you can, go pick up a high frequency voice recorder and you can capture voices coming through the ether, at places where spirits are. (Haunted)
Also I've never had any entity manifestation in any of my trips, but ive had them in sober life, but that doesn't take away from the phenomena that most people see the same thing, and it's weird multiple people would see the same thing, and it's weird how I can't comprehend what you guys are talking about, but I keep an open mind and believe it to be true.
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I can sit in a dark room on mushrooms too and meditate for hours, but I end up floating in my own bliss and a world of shapes and geometry made by love, entities don't start appearing, I feel like these manifestations are just a way for your brain to understand really what's happening to you in a visual sense, or give you a message, and it seems this general message is the same across all psychedelic users besides the visions of entities, that something else exists that we aren't fully aware of or understand, basically like conscious dreaming.
Are you gonna believe what you dream every time? Some would say that's illogical, as we find out dreams are just a way for our unconscious mind to communicate with us, we are evolving into consciously dreaming beings, infinite and endless
Now for the reason why people see the same thing could have started from one thought or one vision which now causes a collective thought based manifestation in everyone's trip. Im just throwing this shit out there and all random theories
This begs the question, why do some people see entities, and why do some not. Time and place? Does it really just come down to that? Or, are there different types of people, some who need visual confirmation, and some who don't to get the same message.
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Eclipse3130 said: I can sit in a dark room on mushrooms too and meditate for hours, but I end up floating in my own bliss and a world of shapes and geometry made by love, entities don't start appearing, I feel like these manifestations are just a way for your brain to understand really what's happening to you in a visual sense, or give you a message, and it seems this general message is the same across all psychedelic users besides the visions of entities, that something else exists that we aren't fully aware of or understand, basically like conscious dreaming.
But how exactly does it help the brain understand what's really happening to them? If anything doesn't it just raise more questions? Both consciously and unconsciously? And why do these things have such an aura of strangeness and "otherness" to them? I mean it's not like you just see something animated or autonomous and assume it's real no it feels real and it feels very outside of you and very much it's own thing. I mean why would it have all these strange otherworldly feelings associated with it as well as utter unorthodox weirdness that you couldn't possibly have imagined based on the life that you've lived?
Why is the imagery and the feelings behind it so unreferent to the ocean of commercially produced imagery in which we swim? Why is it SO different from the mundane and so unexpected and yet so similar all across the board? Why is it the same for people from all backgrounds? Why can indigenous tribes people do DMT and see machinescapes when they've never even seen metal?
I'm not necessarily saying this entity stuff is real but to say "it's just your brain trying to make sense of things" well that would raise many many more questions imo than to say these things are real because even anecdotally it doesn't seem to match up to that reductionist idea.
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It's definititely a phenomena to be explored, but until it happens to me I won't be able to add any subjective experience and my true thoughts on the matter, I gotta wait for my time to see them, or maybe I never will.
Now please try to read this next part and truly understand from my point of view so we can come to a better conclusion
What do the entities do for you that the mushrooms wouldn't already do is kind of my question, they come and fill you with great bliss and otherworldly feelings, they leave you with more questions than answers. It seems like it's just the DMT allowing us to visualize these things (well obviously) but I believe they are visualized manifestation of what you can't understand, into a message which you can begin to ponder (dreaming) ie unconscious communicating with the conscious. Communication with the unbound conscious, you never know what you'll find, literally anything is possible so why take entities out of that equation, we don't. It's just another crazy story for you to make sense of Because I am left with similar outlooks on life, and the same feelings on my mushroom trip as people who visualize entities but I dont, what does that really mean, I don't personally think they mean anything, besides what they mean to you.
And that's all that will ever matter.
Of course it's real, because it happened to you! Just like I can fall asleep and have a dream of complete randomness that leaves me with more questions than answers. My logical mind doesn't stop for a second to say it was fake, it's real in the moment and it's real afterwords.
The entities are real, simply because they happened, the entities are not real in a physical sense and I'm not sure they have any other purpose rather than to raise consciousness, speaking of entities as "they" because you are the one which creates them and gives them their structure and presence.
There is no reality without an observer, we consciously create it, or in this case unconsciously. That's what should trigger some serious questions
Not the fact that you did see them, that's obvious but why and how you saw them is the real question..
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Yeah not in my experience. It isn't simply "they just feel cool" or they somehow "invite" feelings of strangeness no they are the strangeness and they're coming to you from somewhere else. It isn't just you feel funny weird things you know somehow what you're looking at and you "know" it's outside of yourself and not some "perceptual metaphor". I can tell when my mind is doing something like that, I know most people can't but I can assure you I'm different and I can assure you these things are not part of me. They have their own thing going on, their own ways of existing and their own personalities.
If these things are part of me why do others around me experience them simultaneously and why do they have the same characters? Any projection of the mind or anything like that is going to be humanized in some way through its presentation and these things are the exact opposite of humanized. It's almost like their main point like they're trying their hardest to assure you that they are separate and residing in another dimension of some sort whether this be in the mind or wherever else. The human mind simply can't, it can't produce something so unhumanized it just doesn't work that way on drugs or not on drugs and it would certainly never be as detailed and never as consistent.
I'm not sure what you meant when you asked what these entities do that shrooms don't because it's not what they do it's how they are and the context in which they are experienced. I've analyzed their essence and characteristics objectively and I see no reason to claim this as part of the unconscious mind let alone the conscious mind "trying to piece things together" no that is not what is happening because it's entirely structured and contrived. To say these things are just the mind's way of trying to figure things out visually (even though it's not a visual thing) to me that makes even less sense than to say these things are full on aliens and I'm the one trying to be logical about it. I just see no evidence not even basic evidence that suggests these things are somehow a part of you or a way for your mind to "piece things together" which makes even less sense because that's not even how the mind works especially in these states and especially so consistently.
Again, even anecdotally and subjectively it doesn't add up. It doesn't take a world renown professional psychologist to spot a visual, perceptual or sensoric projection of their unconscious mind, I know what those are and what they look like because I experience them while tripping and believe me they are completely separate from this phenomena. If anything that's just one of the many trivial things psychedelics do that aren't related to its other more profound aspects. I think it's quite arrogant and human to think these things that are so alien and so unorthodox and detailed to actually be just a part of you. Sounds kind of grandiose and superficial like some new agey yogi mumbo jumbo, it just doesn't add up when you really look at it or analyze it. As soon as you put a magnifying glass to it its flaws are easily exposed and it isn't a true objective view on the situation because you're completely ignoring everything that contradicts that idea. That's why I said it would make even less sense, I want the answer that makes the most sense not the answer that is the most politically correct because when it comes to this projection of the mind and all these things about the mind trying to make sense of neurological chaos it just seems like a politically correct copout like you're trying to sound rational by being a reductionist but that's simply one point of view, a point of view birthed from the western mind and nothing more. No objectivity or critical analysis really.
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Also the whole "reality isn't real" thing doesn't help us here because all conversations on this are in a pragmatic context not an ontological or phenomenological one.
If we're going to be phenomenological about analyzing data then this conversation is just as "not real" as those entities. There's no point in bringing reality into this when everything's a contradiction anyways. We can only have conversations when we set limits on reality, that's how we make it through everyday. Bashing objective reality simply to evade the topic of a supernatural being's relevance to objective reality isn't a direct argument.
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AuroraBorealis88 said: Also the whole "reality isn't real" thing doesn't help us here because all conversations on this are in a pragmatic context not an ontological or phenomenological one.
If we're going to be phenomenological about analyzing data then this conversation is just as "not real" as those entities. There's no point in bringing reality into this when everything's a contradiction anyways. We can only have conversations when we set limits on reality, that's how we make it through everyday. Bashing objective reality simply to evade the topic of a supernatural being's relevance to objective reality isn't a direct argument.
Exactly,
This conversation isn't real in the sense it would not of happened if there was no one to observe it, we weren't here to experience it, we are the only real thing we know, we created realism - and it's just an illusion at that, a manifestation of consciousness I believe.
If you read my post, I fully believe in the entities, I'm not bashing on people's experiences at all, I'm just like you and trying to figure out what it is and why it happens.
What makes you think the entities are outside of your self? Besides what your thoughts and emotions are making you feel that way.
And why do you think some people see them and some don't?
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Some people's third eyes are totally calused, "protecting", or "denying" us from them?
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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That would lead me to my theory it only happens in divine timing, meaning at the right time and right place, for said individual
Obviously not everyone is ready to have their pineal gland blasted open, and the ones that are have it happen. Simple as that
I'll be awaiting my call, if it ever comes.
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I'm not sure if anyone's ever ready to forge into the dimensional unknown and have to rethink everything they've ever known about the world and "life" on the planet earth. Let alone the possibility of opening a portal to the negative beings. From my research, not all of them are "good".
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Eclipse3130 said: Or, are there different types of people, some who need visual confirmation, and some who don't to get the same message.
This. There are different roles in the village. We don't all get to play the shaman, even if we have access to the medicine.
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Eclipse3130 said: That would lead me to my theory it only happens in divine timing, meaning at the right time and right place, for said individual
Obviously not everyone is ready to have their pineal gland blasted open, and the ones that are have it happen. Simple as that
I'll be awaiting my call, if it ever comes.
The fact that you have an open mind about it says enough about your readiness. It doesn't take heroic doses or anything to experience this. Just a very particular kind of sensitive mind at the right place at the right time. You may or may not ever experience this and that is completely OK.
Now for a story.
Once I was piloting the spaceship that my house had become for the night into a vast audiovisual static field. I was standing at an advanced helm that ordinarily would have been my turntables. We were making music noises and kinda just flying ourselves into the unknown. I ended up running into some space dude in a different dimensional sphere out somewhere in deep space. Dude tried to make moves on my lady so we got into a fight.
Now, I'm not normally the jealous type but this guy was just being kinda pushy. It escalated until I had to park for a sec, and bring in my man jerry garcia to play the arbiter. Jerry eventually cooled dudeman off, and I cooled down once I realized that all I needed was some universal love to ease things up. I mean after all, this was a higher dimensional prizmatic space being, so really how argumentative could I really be? After a while dudeman and I came to some sort of unspoken agreement, we "shook hands" of sorts and parted ways. My lady was quite flustered by the whole experience.
Just after I caught drift that Jerry had transitioned into singing some kind of folk tale about the whole interaction to a crowd of reveling people in 1977. I then shrugged it off, ate some snacks, and painted some shit.
It's not always sunshine and rainbows out there, but usually theres some involved regardless.
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Bill_Oreilly said: Wow thats nuts i saw the mantis on mushrooms and different colors were emanating from it as if it was creating the experience
ive had people on my youtube channel also report the mantis. strassmans book mentions it too.
must be a reoccurring archetype like the jester/clown
but like.. WHYY? 
ive never seen the mantis personally, just clowns
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Bill_Oreilly said: Wow thats nuts i saw the mantis on mushrooms and different colors were emanating from it as if it was creating the experience
ive had people on my youtube channel also report the mantis. strassmans book mentions it too.
must be a reoccurring archetype like the jester/clown
but like.. WHYY? 
ive never seen the mantis personally, just clowns
the jester is quite terrifying...
it has a very twisted face with crooked rotting teeth.. ive never seen it for quite some time maybe I need to dose high and see it again. I miss him a little.
Upon quick reading, the jester they say represents your egocentric self.
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Re: Aliens [Re: GRAVE]
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Eclipse3130 said: Or, are there different types of people, some who need visual confirmation, and some who don't to get the same message.
This. There are different roles in the village. We don't all get to play the shaman, even if we have access to the medicine.
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Eclipse3130 said: That would lead me to my theory it only happens in divine timing, meaning at the right time and right place, for said individual
Obviously not everyone is ready to have their pineal gland blasted open, and the ones that are have it happen. Simple as that
I'll be awaiting my call, if it ever comes.
The fact that you have an open mind about it says enough about your readiness. It doesn't take heroic doses or anything to experience this. Just a very particular kind of sensitive mind at the right place at the right time. You may or may not ever experience this and that is completely OK.
I'm not a visual person per se in general, I focus on feelings is how I see, I see things for how they are at a vibratory, emotional level.
Say, if I was to look at you I would see you based off of how you are feeling, the rate at which you vibrate, I wouldn't see anything really, but I can feel and understand you instantly
When I deep ponder on trips I could have visuals but really I'm just deep inside myself listening and feeling very intensely, the visuals don't form any messages for me, as I don't focus on them, I realize through feeling if that makes sense
Honestly I'm confused by friends and users who get a mass of visuals and somehow it ends up being a big part of their trip, the visuals never mean anything to me, just a nice bonus if I do get any, only in higher doses and things just get melty and warped and shapes, otherwise I'm not focusing on visuals, and I usually never have any worth while, if I do its CEV.
But even then, I'm not really looking at them, I'm focused inward listening closely, if they do appear I don't really see them, I feel them.
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I think the Alien question has more to do with multi-dimensional ultra advanced beings than whether or not some Gray aliens are traveling to and from our planet. I think the likelihood that there are beings that are as advanced to us as we are to a flea, for example, is extremely high. Every time we have tried to define the limits of our universe in terms of size and scope, we've been wrong and very limiting.
My guess is it's the same with consciousness and what a ultra advanced being might be capable of. Just as dolphins are capable of echo location and some humans have shown talent in paranormal skills, there are probably abilities to travel dimensionally the way we go to dreams or altered states and actually really TRAVEL there.
I think this is what's happening here on our planet. There are beings living here that are MUCH more advanced than we are and we don't even know it.
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I think this is what's happening here on our planet. There are beings living here that are MUCH more advanced than we are and we don't even know it.
Agreed, but do you believe these beings are just human, or actually alien in origin. Because I know of many advanced spiritual humans with great power on Earth, but don't know of any other "beings" that live with us if they're not inside of us, or outside ourselves
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I think this is what's happening here on our planet. There are beings living here that are MUCH more advanced than we are and we don't even know it.
Agreed, but do you believe these beings are just human, or actually alien in origin. Because I know of many advanced spiritual humans with great power on Earth, but don't know of any other "beings" that live with us if they're not inside of us, or outside ourselves
I think, somewhere in the distant past of our planet, we had a breakaway species or civilization that simply transcended or technologically advanced to a point that they are simply way, way ahead of us. I think that explains the fascinating mythology we find all over the planet and the bizarre evidence of space beings and human contact with Gods that took an interest in us.
I'm 100% convinced that we've been genetically "worked on" and not just humans. What we do to our world in terms of training pets, altering plant species, etc. is being done to us at a much higher level. It's just how it all works.
If ultra advanced beings can travel inter-dimensionally, then it's likely they come and go as they please and could easily cloak or uncloak themselves or appear as virtually anything they'd want.
There seems to be no restriction at all on what we can discover and do genetically. The term "homo-evolutus" is upon us as we will be engineering ourselves in the next 100 years. Humans will be "created" with the genetics of perhaps ... athletic skill of Michael Jordan, intellect of Einstein, musical talent of Mozart, writing ability of Tolstoy and leadership ability of Gandhi.
That's where our species is headed.
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So then what you're suggesting is we are the aliens, which I would agree.
It ties into all of my theories as well.
In terms of back then, of course they were more advanced than us now, they were a spiritual community, imagine a million people meditating at once, you can do anything you want.
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Eclipse3130 said: So then what you're suggesting is we are the aliens, which I would agree.
It ties into all of my theories as well.
In terms of back then, of course they were more advanced than us now, they were a spiritual community, imagine a million people meditating at once, you can do anything you want.
Exactly or, imagine a breakaway civilization that really figured out genetics and got RID of all the genetic "baggage" ... that species becomes disease resistant, is ultra intelligent, compassionate, psychic, spiritual, non-violent, cooperative, etc.
That's species evolution self engineered. That is most definitely where the human species is headed. Who would ever want to roll the dice and have some dumb-fuck kid when you could have a child that will have no likelihood for disease, will have much greater beauty, coordination and intellect than you will ever have "normally."
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Everything you're suggesting just shows the signs of spiritually developed "humans" in my view.
Once you realize you are infinite and can do anything, be anything what makes you any different from an "alien" that's why my theory is, all this shit is just within our minds. All a mere dimensional projection.
And the government is the group that survived and is now in control, very highly spiritual beings at the top, but they have developed from power, and feed off darkness they don't work for the light like us
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Eclipse3130 said: Everything you're suggesting just shows the signs of spiritually developed "humans" in my view.
Once you realize you are infinite and can do anything, be anything what makes you any different from an "alien" that's why my theory is, all this shit is just within our minds. All a mere dimensional projection.
And the government is the group that survived and is now in control, very highly spiritual beings at the top, but they have developed from power, and feed off darkness they don't work for the light like us
AND, genetics REALLY matter. Genetics are what make a flea a flea, a dog a dog, a lion a lion, dumb human a dumb human and a ultra genius and ultra genius.
We are on the verge of the biggest change in the human species in our history and it's much closer than many realize. In fact, it's probably already happening below the radar in countries like China and Korea. Without the Abrahamic Religious limitations we have in our thinking in the West, they see the potential of genetic evolution, not the risk.
We'll figure out, as a race, how to create super humans. My guess is we already have.
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I don't particularly believe anything extraterrestrial you won't already find here on Earth
Now for the literal conscious change you can feel in the air, it's because the people are becoming spiritually powerful. We will have a great battle of consciousness, as we are now, a grand unifying ACT in the End.
Government vs People Light vs Dark Subconscious vs Conscious
I believe between now and 2020
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"Super humans" are just normal humans spiritually developed. Its just spiritual power that develops such as healing, shapeshifting, levitation etc. We had super humans back in the Pyramid times, and many still with us now. It's about growing our numbers so we can fight and shine our brightest lights.
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Eclipse3130 said: I don't particularly believe anything extraterrestrial you won't already find here on Earth
Now for the literal conscious change you can feel in the air, it's because the people are becoming spiritually powerful. We will have a great battle of consciousness, as we are now, a grand unifying ACT in the End.
Government vs People Light vs Dark Subconscious vs Conscious
I believe between now and 2020
Why the next 4 years? What's different that's causing you to believe this?
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Eclipse3130 said: "Super humans" are just normal humans spiritually developed. Its just spiritual power that develops such as healing, shapeshifting, levitation etc. We had super humans back in the Pyramid times, and many still with us now. It's about growing our numbers so we can fight and shine our brightest lights.
Yes, I agree. Spiritually, mentally and physically ... all three.
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Eclipse3130 said: I don't particularly believe anything extraterrestrial you won't already find here on Earth
Now for the literal conscious change you can feel in the air, it's because the people are becoming spiritually powerful. We will have a great battle of consciousness, as we are now, a grand unifying ACT in the End.
Government vs People Light vs Dark Subconscious vs Conscious
I believe between now and 2020
So what can we do to increase our spiritual power?
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The quickest route to change is chaos, which is inevitably coming for us like a ticking time bomb.
Spread awareness, spread consciousness, awaken as many people to the truth as you can. This is the quickest way to power globally, the time to act is now
Individually practice flow arts, tantric meditation, diet and join meditation circles, start actually using your energy and power to heal and inspire. They are popping up everywhere
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Eclipse3130 said: I don't particularly believe anything extraterrestrial you won't already find here on Earth
Now for the literal conscious change you can feel in the air, it's because the people are becoming spiritually powerful. We will have a great battle of consciousness, as we are now, a grand unifying ACT in the End.
Government vs People Light vs Dark Subconscious vs Conscious
I believe between now and 2020
So what can we do to increase our spiritual power?
For most of us, it's increasing our physical health and vitality, mental balance and focus on spiritual practices ... meditation ... qi gong/yoga ... self discipline to avoid destructive chemicals ... walking away from all forms of addiction ... and then really putting daily time into focused spiritual development.
For most of us, it's an enormous change.
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wow this is all coming to me at exactly the right time. something is falling into place and i feel optimistic about the future
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Knowing the answer and even knowing HOW to get to the next level is the EASY part. It's the self discipline to rid ourselves of negativity, addictions, and choices that literally chain us to our limiting selves that's the hard part.
Glimpsing the potential is fun and all, but it doesn't open the doorway.
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I am working hard right now! As should you all
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Spiritual perception is easy ... spiritual POWER is hard.
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I have encountered greys, reptilians, and blue aliens while having experience where such things are encountered (meditation, astral projection, psychedelic experiences, falling/waking from sleep, dreams), I don't know what to make of aliens, I have read some of what Jung has written on them, and I stay away from people like Icke or the likes of him, I want my experiences to be genuine, and not influenced by any outside sources, but I have had some strange experiences I cannot make sense of. I am of sound mind, a very peaceful person, not paranoid, not delusional, not on any meds, not schizo, just a normal guy that loves the psychedelic community, and the strange things which happens within it.
I will say perhaps these things came into my being because of stressful situations arising, and my mind was creating them to help me deal with stress, I really don't know, but the mind is a powerful thing. I hope when you read these experiences you keep an open mind, and perhaps don't try to define them as either unknown or known in origin, and just let them be for what they are.
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The blue alien(s) I first encountered were experienced while under the power of a large dose of fresh Psilocybe caerulescens, I left my body not long after the trip began, was laying in bed next to my ex, she said I kept saying "it's so beautiful" over and over again, but I don't remember any of that. I do remember waking up from laying next to my ex, and standing in space, I saw a blue being walking towards me, it had a males physique, shoulder length hair which was white/silver/blonde, no reproductive organs though. When this thing was close to me I tried to look it in its eyes and instantly fell to my knees while crying, I saw in a flash all the wrong I had done in my life, this made me think this thing was an alien, angel, higher self, something I don't know, it spoke to me without looking at me, it picked me up and put its arm around me, led me to the edge of a huge canyon, and told me "you're all this, and all this is you", then I woke up with my ex staring at me like WTF just happened to you.
Every hardship I have encountered in my life, when I get really stressed, I close my eyes and see that thing walking in the back of my mind, strengthening me, never allowing me to completely fail, just fail enough so that I learn a lesson, it's really wild, and I don't know what to make of it, the thing is it's realer than real to me, the strength it bestows upon me is better than any drug, this thing has stayed in my life even when I am sober.
There's another being which descends in my minds eye when I am exercising, or going through tough times, I like to run/cycling, and this thing has wings, sometimes the wings are black, sometimes white, sometimes this thing is flanked by two other winged beings, and this thing sometimes holds a caduceus staff, I believe this things is Lucifer because of the light which accompanies it and that's the name which entered my mind when I first saw this being, perhaps my mind was creating this entity because of runners high, strange thing is the high it gave me was not runners high, and my feet feel nothing, like I am running on air, this thing also makes me feel better than any drug, higher, purer than any substance has ever taken me, with energy radiating from the top of my head and out of my chest. It's strange because I will be running and I will see someone up ahead with a dog and other people will pass the dog with no problem, but every dog I encounter goes nuts around me, and starts looking behind me and barking, maybe they're seeing something but they don't bark at me, just behind me, just a silly thought.
My encounters with reptilian beings were always during meditation, and they were always trying to recruit me for nefarious purposes, at least this is how my mind interpreted it, they tend to be very aggressive, very warriors based mindset which I don't vibe well with, but I have respect for whatever those things are. The one that appeared to me while meditating spoke to me mind to mind, and had a black/red hooded robe on at first, upon shedding this robe it showed me some combat moves like it was doing a gymnastic routine or something, and then said that it saw strength in me, and wanted me to serve them, which I was not OK with.
The greys are tricksters, demonic sounding, almost snake like demonic voices, some people say that greys are demons, and I have encountered them numerous times upon waking, or falling to sleep, so perhaps I was dreaming them, but those experiences with them, like all experiences here, have felt realer than real. I have woken up with bruises on my body which I don't know where they came from, strange thing is whenever I would get these bruises on me I would have woken up in the middle of the night with these things standing over me, I felt like I was in a dream, but not in a dream, then woke up in the morning with bruises on my ankles, and wrists, I don't know what to make of that.
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Eclipse3130 said: What makes you think the entities are outside of your self? Besides what your thoughts and emotions are making you feel that way.
And why do you think some people see them and some don't?

I don't know...what besides my thoughts and feelings would make me think that? I mean what could? Does he need a t-shirt that flat out says it? IME them being separate and alien to you is kind of their main point, that's their whole essence. It's like they're trying to prove to you they're not part of you. I don't know how else I can explain it because there's only so much you can put into words. As I said before you don't just see something and guess what it is you somehow just know what it is instinctually. So I guess instinct would be a better way to put it
As for why some people get them and others don't I think everyone gets them, but whether they actually notice them and are aware of them or not is the big question I honestly think many many people get them it's just that people suck at analyzing the experience, most people are superficial.
That or maybe certain people are naturally more susceptible. Like some people can notice a certain effect from X drug in a low dose and some require a higher dose.
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We are all aliens..
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Exactly aurora and my entire point is I don't need to see them to believe in them, some people do and that's the only difference. It's why some people see them and some don't, it's probably obvious you would of never came to this conclusion if you never saw them.
Some people need to see to believe and they are focusing on visuals in their experience therefore phenomena emerges, I don't focus on visuals therefore I don't see them, in fact I don't want to. I know what they are and I still receive messages without seeing anything.
That's why I figure it's just your mind
Every single report I've read about entities and the message and imprint they leave you in your personal experience and questions of life are the exact same as mine, except I don't see them or communicate with them, nor do I want to.
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Well I don't really consider them a "visual" thing. I don't go looking for visuals either because visuals only come when I'm not looking for them, plus what's going on in my mind at the time tends to be way more entertaining than what is visible.
Yeah I just really want to reiterate that it's NOT solely a visual thing, it tickles all your senses and mental faculties, it's more of an experience than a vision.
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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In my view there are almost definitely intelligent aliens, and presumably some far more intelligent than ourselves scattered throughout the material universe.
I am doubtful, however, that UFO encounters or beings seen on psychedelics are aliens. There just isn't sufficient evidence and it seems much likelier that they are either under-examined aspects of the human psyche (whether innate or induced by unusual conditions), or truly spiritual beings of some kind which inhabit a tangential realm to the material universe.
Of course speculating about the nature of hypothetical higher intelligence beings is somewhat pointless, but it seems to me if aliens wanted to visit earth undetected, then they would easily remain undetected as their intellect and technology is so advanced compared to our own. If they wanted us to see them, then I think we would have more unambiguous evidence.
And then, there's the possibility that intelligent life is indeed out there, but that most of it is uninterested in direct physical exploration of the universe (perhaps because of economic challenges or because of the sheer scale of the undertaking) or that such beings are actively exploring, and the scale of it all means that even with millions of such races flying about, it's highly unlikely for contact to occur within our lifetime, perhaps even within the existence of life on earth I mean, the scale is just boggling
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and then again, if in fact there are aliens, and they have discovered us and studied us, I think it likely they would not be visiting so much in physical ships and bodies but as something more ephemeral, and I could see beings on psychedelics as being these aliens' equivalent of astral forms or whatever

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Re: Aliens [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said: In my view there are almost definitely intelligent aliens, and presumably some far more intelligent than ourselves scattered throughout the material universe.
I am doubtful, however, that UFO encounters or beings seen on psychedelics are aliens. There just isn't sufficient evidence and it seems much likelier that they are either under-examined aspects of the human psyche (whether innate or induced by unusual conditions), or truly spiritual beings of some kind which inhabit a tangential realm to the material universe.
Of course speculating about the nature of hypothetical higher intelligence beings is somewhat pointless, but it seems to me if aliens wanted to visit earth undetected, then they would easily remain undetected as their intellect and technology is so advanced compared to our own. If they wanted us to see them, then I think we would have more unambiguous evidence.
And then, there's the possibility that intelligent life is indeed out there, but that most of it is uninterested in direct physical exploration of the universe (perhaps because of economic challenges or because of the sheer scale of the undertaking) or that such beings are actively exploring, and the scale of it all means that even with millions of such races flying about, it's highly unlikely for contact to occur within our lifetime, perhaps even within the existence of life on earth I mean, the scale is just boggling
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and then again, if in fact there are aliens, and they have discovered us and studied us, I think it likely they would not be visiting so much in physical ships and bodies but as something more ephemeral, and I could see beings on psychedelics as being these aliens' equivalent of astral forms or whatever

tldr: ya'll be high and imagining shit
I find it absolutely fascinating when people say "there's no evidence of aliens on this planet" ... I truly wonder what causes them to say that? Are you truly thinking our government is motivated to find, present and disclose UFO / Alien evidence?
There is a TON of evidence out there. Truman, the last President that ever spoke seriously about the topic, said he met with the DOD on UFO's and Aliens constantly. AFter that, it was dropped.
There has been a huge disclosure project on UFO's all over the world with virtually every country EXCEPT the USA. There are thousands and thousand of military files of UFO encounters. There are pictures, videos and thousands of eyewitnesses. There is scripture, ancient sculpture and virtually every myth of creation affirming the existance of beings from other worlds.
Anyone that thinks "evidence" must come from some government agency who "verifies" it is simply naive.
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Ezuma said: In my view there are almost definitely intelligent aliens, and presumably some far more intelligent than ourselves scattered throughout the material universe.
I am doubtful, however, that UFO encounters or beings seen on psychedelics are aliens. There just isn't sufficient evidence and it seems much likelier that they are either under-examined aspects of the human psyche (whether innate or induced by unusual conditions), or truly spiritual beings of some kind which inhabit a tangential realm to the material universe.
Of course speculating about the nature of hypothetical higher intelligence beings is somewhat pointless, but it seems to me if aliens wanted to visit earth undetected, then they would easily remain undetected as their intellect and technology is so advanced compared to our own. If they wanted us to see them, then I think we would have more unambiguous evidence.
And then, there's the possibility that intelligent life is indeed out there, but that most of it is uninterested in direct physical exploration of the universe (perhaps because of economic challenges or because of the sheer scale of the undertaking) or that such beings are actively exploring, and the scale of it all means that even with millions of such races flying about, it's highly unlikely for contact to occur within our lifetime, perhaps even within the existence of life on earth I mean, the scale is just boggling
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and then again, if in fact there are aliens, and they have discovered us and studied us, I think it likely they would not be visiting so much in physical ships and bodies but as something more ephemeral, and I could see beings on psychedelics as being these aliens' equivalent of astral forms or whatever

tldr: ya'll be high and imagining shit
I find it absolutely fascinating when people say "there's no evidence of aliens on this planet" ... I truly wonder what causes them to say that? Are you truly thinking our government is motivated to find, present and disclose UFO / Alien evidence?
There is a TON of evidence out there. Truman, the last President that ever spoke seriously about the topic, said he met with the DOD on UFO's and Aliens constantly. AFter that, it was dropped.
There has been a huge disclosure project on UFO's all over the world with virtually every country EXCEPT the USA. There are thousands and thousand of military files of UFO encounters. There are pictures, videos and thousands of eyewitnesses. There is scripture, ancient sculpture and virtually every myth of creation affirming the existance of beings from other worlds.
Anyone that thinks "evidence" must come from some government agency who "verifies" it is simply naive.
a lot of evidence that people see UFO's, not evidence that physical aliens from another planetary system have visited and been captured. I do believe people see UFO's and alien beings, and I do believe there was genuine scientific interest in said beings at one time when it seemed credible they were literal aliens, and potentially a threat to security.
If aliens have the power to physically visit earth, I don't believe any human organization could capture them or cover their existence up, if the aliens didn't want to be covered up.
It seems far more likely to me that what we in the 21st century see as aliens are actually something else, something that have always been with us since our early days and that we essentially rediscovered with psychedelics, and promptly ignored when we couldn't adequately explain them
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Re: Aliens [Re: Ezuma]
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Ezuma said:
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Ezuma said: In my view there are almost definitely intelligent aliens, and presumably some far more intelligent than ourselves scattered throughout the material universe.
I am doubtful, however, that UFO encounters or beings seen on psychedelics are aliens. There just isn't sufficient evidence and it seems much likelier that they are either under-examined aspects of the human psyche (whether innate or induced by unusual conditions), or truly spiritual beings of some kind which inhabit a tangential realm to the material universe.
Of course speculating about the nature of hypothetical higher intelligence beings is somewhat pointless, but it seems to me if aliens wanted to visit earth undetected, then they would easily remain undetected as their intellect and technology is so advanced compared to our own. If they wanted us to see them, then I think we would have more unambiguous evidence.
And then, there's the possibility that intelligent life is indeed out there, but that most of it is uninterested in direct physical exploration of the universe (perhaps because of economic challenges or because of the sheer scale of the undertaking) or that such beings are actively exploring, and the scale of it all means that even with millions of such races flying about, it's highly unlikely for contact to occur within our lifetime, perhaps even within the existence of life on earth I mean, the scale is just boggling
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and then again, if in fact there are aliens, and they have discovered us and studied us, I think it likely they would not be visiting so much in physical ships and bodies but as something more ephemeral, and I could see beings on psychedelics as being these aliens' equivalent of astral forms or whatever

tldr: ya'll be high and imagining shit
I find it absolutely fascinating when people say "there's no evidence of aliens on this planet" ... I truly wonder what causes them to say that? Are you truly thinking our government is motivated to find, present and disclose UFO / Alien evidence?
There is a TON of evidence out there. Truman, the last President that ever spoke seriously about the topic, said he met with the DOD on UFO's and Aliens constantly. AFter that, it was dropped.
There has been a huge disclosure project on UFO's all over the world with virtually every country EXCEPT the USA. There are thousands and thousand of military files of UFO encounters. There are pictures, videos and thousands of eyewitnesses. There is scripture, ancient sculpture and virtually every myth of creation affirming the existance of beings from other worlds.
Anyone that thinks "evidence" must come from some government agency who "verifies" it is simply naive.
a lot of evidence that people see UFO's, not evidence that physical aliens from another planetary system have visited and been captured. I do believe people see UFO's and alien beings, and I do believe there was genuine scientific interest in said beings at one time when it seemed credible they were literal aliens, and potentially a threat to security.
If aliens have the power to physically visit earth, I don't believe any human organization could capture them or cover their existence up, if the aliens didn't want to be covered up.
It seems far more likely to me that what we in the 21st century see as aliens are actually something else, something that have always been with us since our early days and that we essentially rediscovered with psychedelics, and promptly ignored when we couldn't adequately explain them
Probably a lot of UFO sightings now are own own super secret aircraft projects.
But to say Aliens have never been captured or "there's no evidence of it" ... seriously ... why would our government share this with us? They obviously have no interest in opening up the topic. Most polling shows that 60-70% of the public thinks the government is LYING to us about the UFO topic. Why do you think that is? Why does the government keep so many UFO files top secret? Why? Why are so many documents from Roswell still redacted so much you can't even read them? Same with the documents on the Aztec NM crashes that many people saw? How about Astronauts that claim to have seen many alien craft? How about the Iranian pilots that chased a UFO and had all their electronics disabled? How about the Brazilian beach community that was terrorized by alien craft? There are hundreds of these.
And our government essentially ignores it.
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In my experience, some aliens are most definitely highly advanced and evolved humans. That being said, I also believe there are some beings that have evolved in different dimensional spheres that interact with you only when you are in their spaces (like some DMT entities). There are also time travelers who are either from the distant past, or distant future, and there are things that are so different from us that we rarely even notice them when they pop into our cognitive space.
We only have our semi-limited human perceptions capable of understanding what is happening around us, but it seems to me that the more "human" an entity is, the easier it is for you to interact with it. I do also believe that many of those entities call earth home, and always have and that the only thing alien about them is the fact that we don't normally perceive their existence.
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im skeptical about alien visitation in the physical realm.
but i cant help myself from almost being seriously convinced that the DMT realm is some sort of higher dimensional experience of reality. Just the twisting and morphing and depth. On top of the seriously messed up twilight zone level shit ive had happen to me because of it. it just literally SCREAMS "hyperspace" to me
the resemblance is spooky in my eyes 
i dunno man that shit is fishy. anyone who doesn't feel even a hint of the impression that its the real deal isn't being completely honest with themselves imo. But i suppose that goes the other way as well
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The draconians have control, there was a huge wave of energy that hit the earth on the 26th, mass earthquakes are happening, it's just the beginning of our conscious upgrade.
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Ezuma said: In my view there are almost definitely intelligent aliens, and presumably some far more intelligent than ourselves scattered throughout the material universe.
I am doubtful, however, that UFO encounters or beings seen on psychedelics are aliens. There just isn't sufficient evidence and it seems much likelier that they are either under-examined aspects of the human psyche (whether innate or induced by unusual conditions), or truly spiritual beings of some kind which inhabit a tangential realm to the material universe.
Of course speculating about the nature of hypothetical higher intelligence beings is somewhat pointless, but it seems to me if aliens wanted to visit earth undetected, then they would easily remain undetected as their intellect and technology is so advanced compared to our own. If they wanted us to see them, then I think we would have more unambiguous evidence.
And then, there's the possibility that intelligent life is indeed out there, but that most of it is uninterested in direct physical exploration of the universe (perhaps because of economic challenges or because of the sheer scale of the undertaking) or that such beings are actively exploring, and the scale of it all means that even with millions of such races flying about, it's highly unlikely for contact to occur within our lifetime, perhaps even within the existence of life on earth I mean, the scale is just boggling
....
and then again, if in fact there are aliens, and they have discovered us and studied us, I think it likely they would not be visiting so much in physical ships and bodies but as something more ephemeral, and I could see beings on psychedelics as being these aliens' equivalent of astral forms or whatever

tldr: ya'll be high and imagining shit
I find it absolutely fascinating when people say "there's no evidence of aliens on this planet" ... I truly wonder what causes them to say that? Are you truly thinking our government is motivated to find, present and disclose UFO / Alien evidence?
There is a TON of evidence out there. Truman, the last President that ever spoke seriously about the topic, said he met with the DOD on UFO's and Aliens constantly. AFter that, it was dropped.
There has been a huge disclosure project on UFO's all over the world with virtually every country EXCEPT the USA. There are thousands and thousand of military files of UFO encounters. There are pictures, videos and thousands of eyewitnesses. There is scripture, ancient sculpture and virtually every myth of creation affirming the existance of beings from other worlds.
Anyone that thinks "evidence" must come from some government agency who "verifies" it is simply naive.
a lot of evidence that people see UFO's, not evidence that physical aliens from another planetary system have visited and been captured. I do believe people see UFO's and alien beings, and I do believe there was genuine scientific interest in said beings at one time when it seemed credible they were literal aliens, and potentially a threat to security.
If aliens have the power to physically visit earth, I don't believe any human organization could capture them or cover their existence up, if the aliens didn't want to be covered up.
It seems far more likely to me that what we in the 21st century see as aliens are actually something else, something that have always been with us since our early days and that we essentially rediscovered with psychedelics, and promptly ignored when we couldn't adequately explain them
Probably a lot of UFO sightings now are own own super secret aircraft projects.
But to say Aliens have never been captured or "there's no evidence of it" ... seriously ... why would our government share this with us? They obviously have no interest in opening up the topic. Most polling shows that 60-70% of the public thinks the government is LYING to us about the UFO topic. Why do you think that is? Why does the government keep so many UFO files top secret? Why? Why are so many documents from Roswell still redacted so much you can't even read them? Same with the documents on the Aztec NM crashes that many people saw? How about Astronauts that claim to have seen many alien craft? How about the Iranian pilots that chased a UFO and had all their electronics disabled? How about the Brazilian beach community that was terrorized by alien craft? There are hundreds of these.
And our government essentially ignores it.
It's not that I think our government doesn't lie, or that they wouldn't, it's just that I think it's probable that what they're lying about isn't just physical alien visitors. Sure I might be wrong I just haven't seen the evidence, and without evidence one has no reason to invest belief.
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Re: Aliens [Re: Ezuma]
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I don't think they ignore It. Shield their involvement in it from public knowledge? Absolutely.
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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CIA said: I don't think they ignore It. Shield their involvement in it from public knowledge? Absolutely.
yeah they wouldn't ignore it, I fully believe some level of the government knows what UFO's are, at least roughly, and for whatever reason is uninterested in publicly acknowledging this fact. That could either mean aliens, something spiritual, top secret weapons testing type events being covered up, or simply that they looked into it and found nothing to get in a fuss about, and to spare themselves the embarrassment of wasted tax dollars kept it all hush hush
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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Perhaps the ramifications of revealing such things to public knowledge outweigh the benefits. Why not keep everyone the center of their own universe. Easier to feed the sheep. Perhaps we're constantly being experimented on unknowingly, or these beings are the only reason earth still exists.
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
#23972190 - 01/01/17 01:01 AM (7 years, 29 days ago) |
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Re: Aliens [Re: Ezuma]
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CIA said: I don't think they ignore It. Shield their involvement in it from public knowledge? Absolutely.
yeah they wouldn't ignore it, I fully believe some level of the government knows what UFO's are, at least roughly, and for whatever reason is uninterested in publicly acknowledging this fact. That could either mean aliens, something spiritual, top secret weapons testing type events being covered up, or simply that they looked into it and found nothing to get in a fuss about, and to spare themselves the embarrassment of wasted tax dollars kept it all hush hush 
I think you are right that these are the 4 likely explanations behind the UFO mystery and it's possible the answer is more than one of them. I have absolutely no doubt at all that we have super secret weapons programs and covert air/space craft that create a lot of UFO "sightings" now. I also think it is in our best interest that the Russians and Chinese are kept "guessing" about any possible technology "finds" or alliances we may have with Aliens, even if we don't have them.
I think the assessment by the DOD of what would happen to human belief systems, religion and the ability of the government to control the population might be at risk if ultra advanced alien beings had been found and the full story was disclosed. Our government has created a very wide lane for secrecy when it comes to "national defense" that it would be very easy for them to justify keeping something like this secret, especially if it had advanced weapons implications.
But to just ignore history like the detailed stories (the Vimanas detailed in the Vedic literature) from ancient India ... or the underwater structures being found or the explosion of pyramid building all over the planet or the giant elongated skulls found in South America or the sculptures of spacecraft and then you have thousands and thousands of sightings by police, astronauts, military pilots ... there's even the testimony of the Defense Minister from Canada stating that Aliens do exist. Then you have the mind bending technological breakthroughs of the Nazis in the late 30's and early 40's with their top aerospace guy (Wehrner von Braun) that stated publicly that the Nazi's "had help."
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Re: Aliens [Re: Ezuma]
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that they are either under-examined aspects of the human psyche (whether innate or induced by unusual conditions), or truly spiritual beings of some kind which inhabit a tangential realm to the material universe.
I agree with this, that is why I put that disclaimer on my large post, I don't want to come off as believing, or not believing, but I keep an open mind towards the subject, but I have a few issues with some of what I have experienced that I cannot shake.
I should add, I have had numerous experiences with such things when I wasn't on anything. I would think the large doses of mushrooms were the cause of some of those experiences , but some I was completely sober for. The blue being I mentioned in the post I linked above, has come and gone from my mind since that experience, but has always been there, sober or not, it feels like a guide, that's the feeling it always give me, like a teacher or guide of some sort because it radiates love, patience, and understanding. It feels like perhaps that thing used a psychedelic state I was in to make itself known to me, this way I wouldn't freak out.
A couple of things which stuck with me over the years regarding my experiences with such things were the surge in energy experienced from these encounters, which is very real, also these experiences happened to me first, then I read about similar things happening to others regarding such encounters afterwards when trying to make sense of them, so my mind was not previously familiar with the ways of "alien" entities, and that kind of adds truth to how I feel because what I experienced, many people have experienced, so many similarities it's wild.
Another thing which I cannot understand is seeing a being in my mind, and within that being was a person, and that person was someone I wouldn't meet until 3 years later, but they were identical in every way, strange stuff like that cannot be ignored. I think each person has their own energy signature, each living thing has an energy which is their own, I am not talking about energy like hippies do so please don't debase what I am saying to that point, anyway, the energy signature of the person I saw in this vision was the same as the person I would meet, even the symbols seen in the vision were seen around this person because they were wearing one, and drawing them.
Also, waking up in the middle of the night and seeing dark figures standing over me and feeling like I wanted to scream, wanted to wake up fully, but couldn't, then upon getting up in the morning feeling a dull ache around my ankles or wrists and seeing small round bruises there, usually on my ankles though, I don't know what to make of that. Was I having a nightmare and causing bruises on myself, I don't know, but I never had a history of doing that.
I believe my experiences to be beneficial, they felt like they have strengthened me, I cannot stress it enough that I don't lose sleep over such things, I have seen people lose it over conspiracy theories, or similar stuff, for myself it just isn't that big of a deal, I have enough to think about in the world I experience daily.
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Re: Aliens [Re: Lucis]
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I feel like the highest form of government that represents the entire world knows about them. All leaders of all countries know about them. I personally think there's a reason why we haven't been invaded or destroyed by other beings, and also a reason we havent (been allowed to) totally destroy(ed) each other. Could it be we as earthlings with our "hearts" mesmerize these beings? Are we as a race part of something much larger in the universe? Could our collective actions perhaps influence other actions in the universe. Were these psychedelic drugs placed here for us to become one with intentionally? Did some sort of highly intelligent form of life lead to the discovery of LSD? How do these Love spreading syndicates survive thousands of freakouts a year and not get busted? Loyal heads ready and willing to go to prison to make sure the chemists keep doing their thing? Is the man (The chemists) just that dapper and smooth that they never get busted? Or is there something much greater out there protecting all of them?
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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CIA said: I feel like the highest form of government that represents the entire world knows about them. All leaders of all countries know about them. I personally think there's a reason why we haven't been invaded or destroyed by other beings, and also a reason we havent (been allowed to) totally destroy(ed) each other. Could it be we as earthlings with our "hearts" mesmerize these beings? Are we as a race part of something much larger in the universe? Could our collective actions perhaps influence other actions in the universe. Were these psychedelic drugs placed here for us to become one with intentionally? Did some sort of highly intelligent form of life lead to the discovery of LSD? How do these Love spreading syndicates survive thousands of freakouts a year and not get busted? Loyal heads ready and willing to go to prison to make sure the chemists keep doing their thing? Is the man (The chemists) just that dapper and smooth that they never get busted? Or is there something much greater out there protecting all of them?
Perhaps "they" are the highest form of government?
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In terms of "entity manifestation" and hallucinations which cause things to appear, visions of beings seen from inside of your mind to me are just Mental Projections (Tulpas). Apparitions created through the sheer will of human thought. Are not actually “entities” but may acquire a “mind of their own” once formed. May also be referred to as thoughtforms. In the case of DMT manifestations it very well could be a case of egregore.
it’s possible that many of the paranormal experiences people have, such as NDEs and alien abductions, may very well be the result of a collective consciousness thoughtform
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The thing is, we know there are lots of different ways to communicate. We use writing, spoken words, radio waves, digital technology and, seemingly, at times, fairly beginner level telepathy.
Whales use a type of sonar communication. Insects leave chemical forms of communication. Dogs communication more through smell.
It's certainly possible that ultra advanced beings use forms of communication we just can't fathom. Perhaps it's advanced telepathy. Maybe they can transmit images from their mind to ours without us even knowing it? Maybe they can use dreams and altered brain wave states to communicate.
Man's biggest mistake, for the last 10,000 years, is thinking we've gotten to a point where we "now understand how it works" when in reality, we probably don't even understand 1% of how it all works.
Try to imagine, if the human race doesn't destroy itself and we just keep developing technology what we'll be doing in 100 years ... in 1,000 years ... in 1 million years ... in 1 billion years.
It is very likely there are species out there that have a billion years head start on us in terms of development, evolution and technology. Try to fathom that. Do you think in a billion years we won't find some new forms of travel and work arounds in terms of the speed of light? Imagine what we'll be doing with genetics in 200 more years? The possibilities are truly limitless.
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It definitely would be a lot more interesting if it was actual other life forms communicating with us individually and as a collective, why do so many people see the same things..
But then again it could very well just be the mind state of reflected purity, and out of purity anything can manifest as did our universe.
But in my beliefs, Consciousness is the fabric of existence, from which all manifestation(even the illusion of life) stems from. It would make sense to me that the hallucinations are just consciousness forming itself out of purity, an extension of its raw form: A thoughtform.
For reasons why it forms entities, preying mantis, jesters etc and why they are common amongst people - maybe those were the very first thoughtforms(tulpa) to ever exist, it would make sensw why our anscestors saw the same thing as well.
For why it's embedded in our deep historical spiritual nature, our DNA. But DMT isn't suppose to make sense.
Maybe from consciousness, arises awareness, arises thought, which takes place to form, to then manifest.
To me it's nothing more than your mind, what else would it be 
Even if you are connecting with another being, you must first have a mind to do so
So whose to say your entire existence isn't just a projected form within your mind, which in itself is just a projection of consciousness. An illusion
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Eclipse3130 said: It definitely would be a lot more interesting if it was actual other life forms communicating with us individually and as a collective, why do so many people see the same things..
But then again it could very well just be the mind state of reflected purity, and out of purity anything can manifest as did our universe.
But in my beliefs, Consciousness is the fabric of existence, from which all manifestation(even the illusion of life) stems from. It would make sense to me that the hallucinations are just consciousness forming itself out of purity, an extension of its raw form: A thoughtform.
For reasons why it forms entities, preying mantis, jesters etc and why they are common amongst people - maybe those were the very first thoughtforms(tulpa) to ever exist, it would make sensw why our anscestors saw the same thing as well.
For why it's embedded in our deep historical spiritual nature, our DNA. But DMT isn't suppose to make sense.
Maybe from consciousness, arises awareness, arises thought, which takes place to form, to then manifest.
To me it's nothing more than your mind, what else would it be 
Maybe our core DNA and operating system programming is built on a foundation that gives us all relatively similar source material to work with?
Memory is an absolutely fascinating topic and frankly, we don't know much about it at all. How exactly a 2-hour old wildabeast stand and walk and within 2 days run fast enough to keep up with the herd? What kind of memory is needed to enable all that complex motor function so quickly? Why do some remember past lives with remarkable accuracy and seem to bring very complex skills with them into this life?
Many mysteries we have yet to unravel. If, however, consciousness does survive the life and death cycles, then literally the sky is the limit in terms of what kind of beings are out there both visible and non-visible.
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KauaiOrca said: Many mysteries we have yet to unravel. If, however, consciousness does survive the life and death cycles, then literally the sky is the limit in terms of what kind of beings are out there both visible and non-visible.
Exactly my point, what's out there is unbound by our imagination, what we can perceive WE ARE.
So whose to say your entire existence isn't just a projected form within your mind, which in itself is just a projection of consciousness. An illusion
We are the creators of ourselves and every being in existence
If we find "aliens" we're really just finding a missing part of ourselves, we are scattered infinitely amongst the cosmos
The search to find home is infinite, we are eternal, never ending.
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What lies beyond life and death is consciousness, we are eternal. Never truly nonexisting.
Life and Death is a human construct, there is no such thing.
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Life and Death is a human construct, there is no such thing.
As the Taoists discovered and pointed out millennia ago, it is our inability to REMEMBER that causes us such confusion about life and death. Death is the loss of memory and it is very real.
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I think you're missing how I view reality. It's only real as we know real to be; a construct in your mind.
We are the creation of everything in existence.
Nothing is real. Our entire "existence" is a grandiose illusion. We are the veil which gives "life" to the illusion.
None of this is actually here without a conscious observer
It's all in your mind
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Eclipse3130 said: I think you're missing how I view reality. It's only real as we know real to be; a construct in your mind.
We are the creation of everything in existence.
Nothing is real. Our entire "existence" is a grandiose illusion. We are the veil which gives "life" to the illusion.
None of this is actually here without a conscious observer
It's all in your mind
Perhaps. But it feels very real when we're in it. Pain, suffering ... injury ... loss ... all feel very real. I believe we are here to have a very potent physical experience and, as the Taoists taught, to work hard on preparing for death so we DO NOT lose our memory from this existence to the next. This is essential.
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I agree!
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But memory implies change, which is still about the 'illusion'. All you need to know is the Self as Ramana Maharshi taught, which is beyond change and transient identity, every present.
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SleepyE said: im skeptical about alien visitation in the physical realm.
but i cant help myself from almost being seriously convinced that the DMT realm is some sort of higher dimensional experience of reality. Just the twisting and morphing and depth. On top of the seriously messed up twilight zone level shit ive had happen to me because of it. it just literally SCREAMS "hyperspace" to me
the resemblance is spooky in my eyes 
i dunno man that shit is fishy. anyone who doesn't feel even a hint of the impression that its the real deal isn't being completely honest with themselves imo. But i suppose that goes the other way as well 
I'm with you on this. Once I got a real deal breakthrough I was astonished on what went down. The key is the torch lighter. You must use the torch lighter! haha
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I never understood why people thought this. Where do people get this idea from? Carl Jung is simply one man, he's not the gatekeeper for all things logical and phenomenological. That's simply just one psychologist's kind of weird interpretation and one that is spawned through western thinking.
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Eclipse3130 said: But in my beliefs, Consciousness is the fabric of existence, from which all manifestation(even the illusion of life) stems from. It would make sense to me that the hallucinations are just consciousness forming itself out of purity, an extension of its raw form: A thoughtform.
But as I stated before how is that going to get us anywhere in this conversation? How is saying "these entities are in your mind because everything is in your mind" even an argument? Technically nothing is "real" but how does that apply to a pragmatic conversation?
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I never understood why people thought this. Where do people get this idea from? Carl Jung is simply one man, he's not the gatekeeper for all things logical and phenomenological. That's simply just one psychologist's kind of weird interpretation and one that is spawned through western thinking.
I agree. Wouldn't my Tulpas look more like the sexy blue chick from that movie Avatar if that was the case? at least once?
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The abduction experience is like a fish getting caught by fishermen. hook line and sinker.. the fish has no idea what's really happening, gets taken out of the water see's and experiences things with no frame of reference. Then thrown back into it's natural habitat confused as ever.
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Good analogy!
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Life is out there, almost definitely, because it's here. I think it's all in people's heads, People want to feel important, like they have a connection to the aliens, they're special.. It's a psychological thing, it's usually the people who won't admit they're crazy. I can understand how people can think they are interacting with some kind of other intelligence or being on drugs like DMT, but from my experiences I feel I understand the same sensation differently. It's more like a mother, a maternal universal longing, maybe a remnant from being in the womb surrounded by your mother, but instead the universe was my mother. I know what I know, that's it. My hallucinations are from my own mind, I recognize them as artifacts of my experience in life. I speak to people in my dreams (not DMT btw, people need to stop throwing that unproven "fact" around) and they're not aliens, but they could be if my mind was in that place, but they're not actually external. Or maybe the energy that is all together consciousness seeps into a higher dimension where all consciousness is like an ocean that seeps back into the lower dimension to enter living things, but since everything is the same energy vibrating at different frequencies, that theory kind of falls apart, unless consciousness is defined by a special frequency and composition.
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CIA said: If infact these beings are real, what do you think they want from us? Do they need our help? Are they just showing themselves to us because they have the ability to? Do these negative beings perhaps feast on our negative energy(fear, paranoia, being a bad person)? While the positive beings are fueled by love and good intentions? Is there possibly some war going on between them? Is earth the chessboard?
There are hundreds if not thousands of different aliens species which are part of the Federation of Worlds. Some of these species have been visiting the Earth for millions of years. Aliens have been visiting Earth for as long as humans have been on Earth.
Intelligent life comes in many different forms, depending on what becomes dominant on that planet. There are humanoids, that look just like us. Humanoid just so happens to be the most common form. There are mantids. There are feline-like entities, dolphins and other intelligent aquatic entities, lizard beings, even plasma-based beings, and some we probably couldn't comprehend. Some have different agendas depending on their alignment. There are negative beings who feed on fear in different dimensions, however they are in the vast minority. Earth is much like a galactic chess board as we have been very much a mixing pot of different species and somewhat of a science experiment so to speak, and we are currently undergoing our transformation into the 4th and 5th dimension, where the aliens reside. The reason we do not "see" the aliens is because they reside on the 4th/5th dimension, a higher frequency or vibration.. they actually have to "downshift" for us to physically see their ships, so it is always intentional. However Earth is now currently transitioning into the 4th dimension.
Some are here to welcome us, some are here to observe silently and passively, some are here to perhaps learn, some are here because their race is dying (the greys). Some have a long history with us going back since the beginning of our civilization and are our ancestors. In truth the aliens have been around the whole time. Only now we have come to a point in our evolution as a species where we are beginning to wake up to the cosmic reality and it is either sink or swim meaning to become global citizens and unite as a species. They are here mostly to help in that transformation process, in the background... Due to the rules of engagement, they cannot directly interfere in our reality, they tend to operate more in the background.
There are no abductions. All contacts with alien beings are by invitation only. You have to allow it to happen, subconsciously. There are definitely government abductions. There are also 'frightening' encounters people have with Service-To-Self aliens who may not have their best interests in mind.. but those were invited. There are no alien "abductions". They cannot go against your will. That's the law set forth.
A lot of the fear-based propaganda that has been put out there regarding aliens is part of the establishment's attempt to remain in control and keep people fearful and in the dark about the true nature of reality.
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Why would aliens be showing up as all of these common earth images and animals and people, and combinations of culture and nature, instead of completely alien forms that can't be found anywhere on earth? Maybe that's why people see a lot of similar things during these experiences, because we're all humans and we all live in this world and we're influenced by it. We see "alien" things in pop culture and art. Your brain can take these pieces and create it's own image.
I think that the way the brain copes with a heavy psychedelic experience varies from person to person. Depending on a persons' upbringing, their world view, they could be talking to Jesus Christ, seeing a Buddhaverse, conversing with elves and reptilians, or simply flying through mandalas and fractals.
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That's some good scifi right there. Did Hubbard write that one?
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Nope sorry that's actual reality. There are actually thousands of different species of aliens beings and aliens have been visiting Earth for millions of years. We are currently waking up to that reality and Earth is indeed moving into the 4th and 5th dimensions. We are part of Earth so we are too. Anyway most humans know very very little about their actual history. Don't worry, we will learn.
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I thought that the earth is technically existing in all of the dimensions, we don't have to enter them, that makes no sense. Our dimension is inside of the higher dimensions, to my understanding. Yeah, the fourth dimension is time, we experience it, there is no entering it.
Does it feel good to think that you have some kind of secret knowledge that you will enlighten the world with? To know that all of this is going on and normal people don't even know.. but you do. You got a leg up, you're on higher ground. Must be nice. I wish I could live my life just knowing the way that things are, without accepting the possibility that I have only one narrow view and don't know very much at all.
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The 4th dimension is not time 
Special secret knowledge? How is it secret if I'm openly sharing it? I assure you my view is quite broad and encompasses a vast many oversimplifications for brevity's sake. The 4th dimension is mastery of the 3rd... it is levitation, telepathy, soul-connection, hive-mind. Controlling your health completely with your mind. Creating your reality. People will live to be 1000 if they want to. The only choice of the 3rd dimension is do you want to be Service to Self or Service to Others. This is the choice everyone must make for themselves before entering the 4th dimension. That defines your orientation during that dimension, ie do you want to serve others (love) or only serve yourself (to live in fear).. for in the 4th dimension we are separated by our communities, not like in the 3rd where everything is mixed.
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Where did you get this definition for dimension? Because it's not exactly an observable phenomenon like space-time.
Here is the wikipedia page on the fourth dimension: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-dimensional_space
Read up, tons to learn, as I am always finding out.
And when I say secret or hidden knowledge, I mean that it's not exactly taught in school nor is it accepted culturally as reality, but you are one of the few and special who has this knowledge. One day you will be able to tell people "I told you so!" when we break through into the fourth dimension and it's going to feel really good. But honestly man, how do you know that your view is true? I've heard many similar formulations about a galactic community keeping their existence under wraps until humanity is ready, but they are different every time. Seems like there are a lot of different galactic federations contacting singular eccentrics.
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Our physics does not quite have the understanding of the dimensions quite right. There's a lot we have wrong actually in many of our theories. String theory is getting closer to the truth but there are large pieces of the puzzle we do not yet understand. Getting closer all the time however There is a Galactic Federation of Worlds, sort of like a UN of this Galaxy basically.. a bunch of representatives from different species all forming an alliance to maintain peace. We will become part of that Federation once we awaken as a species and are welcomed as citizens of the galaxy.
Four dimensional space does not describe what I am talking about which is the 4th Dimension, or 4th Density which is an actual certain frequency of vibration, or a level of being. All energy vibrates at different frequencies. The 3rd dimension is a specific frequency.. the 4th is higher frequency.. I am referring to states of being or states of consciousness.
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Why do you know any better than I? Why do you know any better than David Icke? Or Michael Dargaville? What makes you the keeper of this knowledge? Your view reminds me of the faith that my grandparents have that Jesus will return to earth and that will be salvation. Some people need to have faith in something. I think it's an evolutionary thing, a survival mechanism, but it freaks a lot of people out when you try to understand and break something like that down. But we're becoming better at understanding the brain so maybe one day we will have a solid theory or two on the subject.
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I don't quite follow how string theory explains your higher densities.. All matter, all particles for that matter, is just energy expressing itself differently by vibrating at a different frequency. Changing the frequency of something would change what something is, the properties of that something. Everything going to a higher state but still remaining the same thing? I don't follow.
We don't even know what consciousness really is, so why make the assumption that it can go to a higher state? I'd love to let go and believe something like that.. But by nature I am bound to never stop questioning things.
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I'm actually an alien, I just incarnated here to assist with the transformation process that is happening on the planet right now. But don't tell anyone ok? I don't want people to think I'm crazy. I don't have any different knowledge than anyone else has access to if they want it. I just like to help share information where it is wanted. Call me crazy if you want, but I've been communicating with aliens my entire life. I don't really care what people think anymore, I'm too old for that shit. I'm not special.. just gifted.. everyone has the ability to be smart, and have psychic abilities if they want. All humans have the same potential.
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String theory doesn't explain it. Current levels of science don't explain what I am talking about. The 4th dimension is a frequency of consciousness.. your body changes with your consciousness so your body will also vibrate at that higher frequency.. we will become less dense. It is described as
Containment of volumetric awareness, superconsciousness, reintegration of group identity without loss of ego identity; as vibration increases, perception of past, present, and future become more fluid along with the ability to interface with multidimensional and multidensity realities, negatively oriented consciousness becomes more difficult to maintain. Presently on Earth, 4th density reality is overlapping third. In humanity's case, this can account for the increased desire for unity, peace and unconditional love as opposed to the illusion of separation that characterizes third density. The vibrationary rate of one's reality is stepped up, and therefore one may be faced with personal issues in a much more rapid and intense way.
The frequency of the Earth is moving into higher densities, we as a collective species have decided that's what we are going to do.. so that's what is taking place right now. This results in much drama being brough to the table as all the issues are exaggerated and karmas are being brought full circle to be realized and dealt with, which is occurring on a global scale. We as a species and a planet are evolving into the next stage of humanity.
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Yeah, and my great aunt speaks to jesus and she writes his words down in a notebook. I haven't spoken to jesus or the aliens.
Look guy, I don't know you, and I'm not calling you crazy, but you should not just question the world around you, and the people and the culture around, you should also question yourself.
With that said, if it helps you sleep at night, if it makes you feel fulfilled, it gives you a purpose, and it doesn't hurt anyone, then live it up.
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Everyone is Jesus if they want to be.
Oh trust me I question myself plenty. But the alien issue, I won't budge on. I've seen and experienced far too much. It's most astutely real. I don't know what your reality is like and I wont pretend to.. but the Universe is vast and infinite and there are most definitely aliens out there and they have been here. But it's not about them really, it's about us coming together as humans. Aliens aren't here to "save us" from ourselves.. they may help counsel us and provide us with their wisdom but they aren't going to hold our hands and do it for us... we have to take responsibility for ourselves and come together as a species before we can even hope to embrace any alien species and that's just the truth.
In fact I absolutely hate talking about this. I only did it because the OP asked, so hopefully I answered some of his questions. That was my only purpose in this thread.
I used to get all deep into threads like this way back in like '99 and shit getting all deep and writing fucking novels
Nowadays I mostly keep this shit to myself because I don't like getting into little tiffs like "oh you think you're so special".. no, lots of people commune with aliens, it's not exactly special.. I'm just trying to help.. and that's why I don't like talking about it because some people always just want to challenge you or call you crazy or whatever when just trying to share some info.. Whatever I'm out.
Oh yeah BTW the first Lyrans came to planet Earth roughly ~22 billion years ago and seeded the first humans through genetic splicing of species, humans on Earth are a giant galactic experiment. Humanity was once in the 4th dimension eons ago but we "fell" back down to the 3rd a while ago, you know all those times before our "known" history with the ancient civilizations of Lemuria, Mu, and Atlantis, etc, maybe look into those. We are coming to fruition now and moving back into the higher densities. And the aliens are there waiting for us. Anyway peace.
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Oh trust me I question myself plenty. But the alien issue, I won't budge on. I've seen and experienced far too much. It's most astutely real. I don't know what your reality is like and I wont pretend to.. but the Universe is vast and infinite and there are most definitely aliens out there and they have been here. But it's not about them really, it's about us coming together as humans. Aliens aren't here to "save us" from ourselves.. they may help counsel us and provide us with their wisdom but they aren't going to hold our hands and do it for us... we have to take responsibility for ourselves and come together as a species before we can even hope to embrace any alien species and that's just the truth.
In fact I absolutely hate talking about this. I only did it because the OP asked, so hopefully I answered some of his questions. That was my only purpose in this thread.
I used to get all deep into threads like this way back in like '99 and shit getting all deep and writing fucking novels
Nowadays I mostly keep this shit to myself because I don't like getting into little tiffs like "oh you think you're so special".. no, lots of people commune with aliens, it's not exactly special.. I'm just trying to help.. and that's why I don't like talking about it because some people always just want to challenge you or call you crazy or whatever when just trying to share some info.. Whatever I'm out.
Oh yeah BTW the first Lyrans came to planet Earth roughly ~22 billion years ago and seeded the first humans through genetic splicing of species, humans on Earth are a giant galactic experiment. Humanity was once in the 4th dimension eons ago but we "fell" back down to the 3rd a while ago, you know all those times before our "known" history with the ancient civilizations of Lemuria, Mu, and Atlantis, etc, maybe look into those. We are coming to fruition now and moving back into the higher densities. And the aliens are there waiting for us. Anyway peace.
I think our planet's "true history" would be quite shocking to most as I suspect there are many types of aliens that populate the universe, some visible, some inter dimensional and some so completely beyond our understanding there aren't words we can understand to describe them. Much of our current belief system is, unfortunately, rooted in ancient scripture where there's one very paternal God that demands total obedience in exchange for afterlife favors. Even atheists and non-believers are heavily influence by this and many have replaced God concepts with theoretical science that offers up wild theories based on pages and pages of formulas (the new God language?) that less than .00111% of the population can understand. These imaginative wild men are the new "priest class" that tell the "smart people" how to think. The notion that anyone understands truly what happens in a black hole, or in the center of the galaxy or how the big bang would work is as laughable to me as the Christian Church proclaiming the Earth to be the center of God's universe. A collection of super brainiac people look at the symbols of physics on the page and proclaim ... "yep, this guys right ... that makes sense" ... and the whole world is ready to embrace this new "theory" they can't even glimpse, let alone understand.
WE ARE babies just crawling out of the crib. We are on the verge of becoming, as Jason Silva describes, "Homo-Evolutus" ... a self engineering evolving species about to take command of our genetics ... we will be designing new super species of humans and other animals soon ... Lions with the intelligence of Einstein for instance ... Mosquitos that carry vaccinations instead of disease. Humans with the physical ability of Michael Jordan, disease resistance of a cyborg and intelligence of Feynmann. Imagine a billion "better" humans engineered to cooperate, build and improve the planet working together for 500 years? What would we learn?
Now imagine species "out there" that have been doing this for millions if not billions of years. They have evolved and we think we are "out of reach" because of our infantile understanding of time and distance.
My guess is that earth, like many planets, is a farm tended to by extremely advanced species ... Just as we enjoy pets and games maybe that's what happens when you evolve ... you develop a desire to create and shape a new world with self imagined species and challenges and artificial boundaries that serve as protection and challenge for your world to learn about and eventually transcend/overcome.
Anyone that thinks we are alone here on this earth given all the evidence to the contrary is, in my opinion, quite blocked off from the greater truth that surrounds us but is often hidden because of over reliance on authority figures that are far more interested in controlling than informing us and have learned that dishonest offerings of security and safety are reliable tools of control.
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Well fuckin said. this is awesome.
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Yes great thread! I don't feel as crazy anymore since others here have had the full deal experience aswell, I swear the topic of ufo's and aliens has been coming up a lot lately. 2017 worldwide disclosure. yeeee
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The Patient said: Yes great thread! I don't feel as crazy anymore since others here have had the full deal experience aswell, I swear the topic of ufo's and aliens has been coming up a lot lately. 2017 worldwide disclosure. yeeee
I wouldn't bet the ranch on it. Maybe the best shot is some kind of hack of documents that just lays it out there. I can't imagine the US government voluntarily giving up the secrets of what really happened at ....
Interestingly, Bill Clinton was an absolute UFO fanatic and there are many that testified how often he asked about the topic to anyone he though could provide answers. He was apparently shut down everywhere he went and was very frustrated.
John Podesta, his chief of staff as President, is, by far, the most vocal and active high ranking government person FOR full disclosure. He has said over and over he knows the government is hiding it and he really wants to get the answers out to the public. Of course, he lost with Hillary but Trump might be a real wildcard on this topic. He might decide not to play by the rules and go all medeival on the people that are hiding the real story. Who knows? My guess is, given his interest in conspiracies, he's got an interest in getting the full 411 on the topic.
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Yeah disclosure won't happen for a long time if ever, humanity still has problems with so many petty things like skin tone or who you choose to fuck, let alone a hyper intelligent mantis being that has an elongated head and eight inch blue penis that seeded humanity.
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I think this longing to not be alone doesn't mean that we are being tended to by some advanced race. We could be the first self aware species ever in this universe. We just don't know, so why go down a rabbit hole of speculation? Forget waiting for some aliens, let's better ourselves as a race and just find out. Explore.
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I never said they where tending to us at all.. do you really believe we are the first self aware species in the entire universe? Let alone this planet being filled to the brim with self aware intelligent life of many varieties open you're eyes bud, you must think you're pretty special.
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I believe these are just common "visuals" as many of my friends have had full spectrum rainbow changing visuals of all sorts of objects and scenes
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TempestDnB said: We could be the first self aware species ever in this universe. We just don't know, so why go down a rabbit hole of speculation? .
The odds of that being true given the size of the universe, trillions and trillions of planets ... has got to be astronomical. At least a billion to one ... probably much, much higher.
If life is here, then it's in a LOT of other places. And if it is the likelihood we are the most developed species is laughably low. And, we're just talking about the known universe as the physics of a multiverse are already indicating the possibility and then you add to that the potential of multiple, possibly infinite dimensions.
Humans on earth the most intelligent species? That's utterly ridiculous.
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This has turned into a pretty awesome thread!....Thanks to everybody that has contributed. Shroomism is the man when it comes to dimensional theories.....always a lot of food for thought.
My thinking always seems to gravitate toward Tempest's thoughts...like, try and be open minded about everything and don't really rule things out. People who seem to know all of the answers tend to rub me the wrong way and I usually keep them at arms length. In other words....my thinking today is..."The older I get, the less I believe I know about spirituality or similar concepts." And, I'm ok with that.
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I think the fact that the government utterly ignores the topic in their interaction with the public is clear evidence there's much more going on. Truly, if the government HAD NOT found any evidence yet, they would be all over this topic following up leads and trying to figure it out, which is exactly what they WERE doing in the late 40's and 50's. Truman said it was a serious issue they met on every month.
They've got the answers, don't want to share the and so they just ignore it. Which is exactly how they treat all top secret issues.
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Of course there is life out there, statistically it's impossible not to be out there. Its probably littering our solar system and we don't even realize it. Complex life is fragile as we know it. A lot has to happen for something like us to come about. It's probably very rare. What we know as a civilization might not be the norm out there. But it could be. That's what I have hope for, a galaxy full of neighbors with their own histories, arts, and culture. It's possible that most life bearing planets can eventually produce intelligent self aware beings, maybe all life follows a similar path and takes similar forms, to what we see here on earth, but it could also all be very very alien and unrecognizable to us. I think we impose our own culture onto the idea of extraterrestrials wayyy too much. Government as far as we know, and art, war, science, are human inventions. Why would the aliens be like that?
I really like what Arrival did for this subject. That was a pretty good alien movie, one of the best I've seen. Same with Contact.
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Wow you have changed you're opinion on intelligent life pretty quickly. And the rest of that stuff you just wrote makes no sense.
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Why should I have one solid opinion? It could be any of them, we don't know, why settle with one? How did what I say not make sense? People have no idea what extraterrestrial life will be like, so we take pieces of our culture and we create these fabrications of what we think intelligent extraterrestrials will be like. They have all of these human attributes, that doesn't make sense. Life out there might be nothing like what we know. But it also could be. There is no way to prove any of it unless we start finding life in space.
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You don't have too I guess, it's pretty convenient though to side with people who are actually correct and not to go along with you're delusional pseudo hippy nonsense. I don't like you're smug attitude.
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I'm not taking sides, or switching sides, that makes no sense. We're all in the same boat here speculating the same vastly complex questions. What am I saying that's delusional? We don't really have a whole lot of data here.
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Thayendanegea said: This has turned into a pretty awesome thread!....Thanks to everybody that has contributed. Shroomism is the man when it comes to dimensional theories.....always a lot of food for thought.
My thinking always seems to gravitate toward Tempest's thoughts...like, try and be open minded about everything and don't really rule things out. People who seem to know all of the answers tend to rub me the wrong way and I usually keep them at arms length. In other words....my thinking today is..."The older I get, the less I believe I know about spirituality or similar concepts." And, I'm ok with that.
My thinking exactly - i have more questions than answers the older I get
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I'm noticing a trend from a few people here.
Regardless of what's objectively real or not, the fact is that there are many people that have the experience of dealing with aliens and ufos. Those things act in particular ways, and the experiences are largely cohesive across the spectrum of people who experience them. That is evidence. To maintain a skeptic mind is great, but to discount someone's personal experiences simply because it doesn't fit in your worldview is arrogant to say the least.
Civility goes a long way towards building discourse folks.
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Funny you'd say that, because the first drawing in your signature totally looks like a mantis to me.
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The visions are definitely 100% real because people experience them, I don't discredit the experience in any way in fact I believe it to be true, as well as Aliens existing. I just believe we are the Aliens so..
What you can perceive, YOU ARE.
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Bill_Oreilly said: Wow thats nuts i saw the mantis on mushrooms and different colors were emanating from it as if it was creating the experience
I believe these are just common "visuals" as many of my friends have had full spectrum rainbow changing visuals of all sorts of objects and scenes
Common? i have eaten mushrooms tons of times and it only happened once during my highest dose
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You don't like communicating with them no more?
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i just can never find the time. by the time my son goes to bed and my wife is off my back im tired as a motherfucker.
thats really the only reason i dont trip anymore. i just have no confidence im going to be left alone for the duration.
but damn do i miss it..
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What's fascinating about the Alien question is how much disclosure there has actually been in the last 10 years that 99% of Americans don't even know about. Most countries including England, Germany, Brazil, Mexico, France, Sweden, Canada, etc. have fully disclosed all of their UFO files and they are now online. The USA is the only Western Nation that hasn't. The only one. As such, there are lots of military pilot sightings going back decades that are now open.
The disclosure movement has really taken off and the only real roadblock is the USA who refuses to open its government files.
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Bill_Oreilly said: i just can never find the time. by the time my son goes to bed and my wife is off my back im tired as a motherfucker.
thats really the only reason i dont trip anymore. i just have no confidence im going to be left alone for the duration.
but damn do i miss it..
I mean, you don't have to use psychedelic substances, I'm pretty sure you can contact out of sole meditation, especially since you've already been in contact.
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Bill_Oreilly said: i just can never find the time. by the time my son goes to bed and my wife is off my back im tired as a motherfucker.
thats really the only reason i dont trip anymore. i just have no confidence im going to be left alone for the duration.
but damn do i miss it..
I mean, you don't have to use psychedelic substances, I'm pretty sure you can contact out of sole meditation, especially since you've already been in contact.
No doubt you can and many have, but it generally takes a pretty well developed meditator to accomplish this.
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This is how my remembrance went....
I did my research years ago, until I was confident ufo's and aliens were all around us, and had always been.
I then started noticing bizarre synchronicities in my life.
I then actually started to think that it was aliens fucking with me, so I actually started thanking them, while still wondering if I was crazy.
I was then shown 2 ufo's back to back in the same week, while standing alone in the SAME spot. I knew that they knew that I knew, without question.
A few months later I woke up on my couch one night, and 2 pale human-like aliens were standing over me with a bright light above, and their faces cloaked. One of them was crouched next to me with it's hands on my torso. I went to get up, and I could instantly tell he/she was paralyzing me with their hands. I was able to put my head up about 3 inches to look at them, then it was like I hit a brick wall, I couldn't move further. He/She was doing this with simply their hands. I was able to see them in a cloudy haze for about 5 seconds, then somehow they instantly put me back to sleep.
It was fucking awesome!!!
That was 3 years ago.
I consider them my friends, and I remember now that they have been watching me my whole life.
That's all I'll share here, but if one of y'all is really into this stuff, then shoot me a PM if you want to know more details about the synchronitites they orchestrated for me.
They MUST be doing this process for everybody, I think it just has to do with how much people are paying attention to synchronicities. This if how they start. If they see your ready for more, they'll give it, at least in my experience.
Peace
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wakeINpeople said: This is how my remembrance went....
I did my research years ago, until I was confident ufo's and aliens were all around us, and had always been.
I then stared noticing bizarre synchronicities in my life.
I then actually started to think that it was aliens fucking with me, so I actually started thanking them, while still wondering if I was crazy.
I was then shown 2 ufo's back to back in the same week, while standing alone in the SAME spot. I knew that they knew that I knew, without question.
A few months later I woke up on my couch and 2 pale human-like aliens were standing over me with a bright light above, and their faces cloaked. One of them was crouched next to me with it's hands on my torso. I went to get up, and I could instantly tell he/she was paralyzing me with their hands. I was able to put my head up about 3 inches to look at them, then it was like I hit a brick wall, I couldn't move further. He/She was doing this with simply their hands. I was able to see them in a cloudy haze for about 5 seconds, then somehow they instantly put me back to sleep.
It was fucking awesome!!!
That was 3 years ago.
I consider them my friends, and I remember now that they have been watching me my whole life.
That's all I'll share here, but if one of y'all is really into this stuff, then shoot me a PM if you want to know more details about the synchronitites they orchestrated for me.
Peace
Was it your sense they were doing something healing to you when they were putting their hands on you?
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No, I could tell the hands on me was to keep me from jumping off the couch like I went to do. The alien wasn't pressing on me either, it was a very light touch, but it was paralyzing my whole body except for my head.
I know that there are stories of people being paralyzed without being touched, but that doesn't seem to be the method they used for me. I'm sure they have quite a few ways.
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They gave me this experience, they chose to let me remember it, the timing was too perfect.
I have a huge feeling these beings don't screw up.
I don't think our sci-fi movies are even coming close to how incredible it is out there, and how incredible aliens are.
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Now that I think about your question, I gotta say that it could always be possible that they were fixing something in me.... I never thought of that. I have a huge drug history and wonder how I made it through sometimes, even though I always feel fine. I've always been in pretty good health, and felt fine at the time that it happened. Haven't been to a doctor, dentist, or hospital in over 10 years. The reason I feel the hands were paralyzing me is because right when I opened my eyes and saw them, I was able to instantly swing one leg off of the couch and plant my foot on the floor, and I was putting my head up at the same time, then that's when my head hit the invisible wall and I couldn't move anymore.
It's like they turned it on as soon as I woke up, but not as fast as I swung my leg onto the floor.
Maybe they had some kind of a device on their fingertips, I dunno.
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I'm 100% convinced that our planet has been a seeded "lab" or "farm" for extremely advanced beings that have been involved for millions if not billions of years. I have no doubt there have been a number of advanced civilizations on our planet from our ancient past, some that advanced and broke away, others that withered away. These beings have advanced genetic design capabilities and do to all species what we do to plants.
We are nearing a very critical step of our evolution where we begin engineering our own genetics and altering and upgrading our own species. No doubt they are paying close attention.
I think this is the springboard step. When a species starts intentionally upgrading its own genetics to gain access to higher intelligence, health, strength, spirituality and new senses.
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Of course...how else did all the amazing, beautiful, intelligently designed, fibonacci golden ratio lifeforms get here?
I do think that before we do more genetic engineering though, we need to focus on cleaning up the planet, our diet, and being nice to each other FIRST. That seems to always be the message from the aliens.....
Glad your awake!!!
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What if we're on the ultimate ride man. Imagine if you could create this world and download your consciousness temporarily into a biological computer where it is like russian roulette on who you will be and what you will experience. The five senses, emotions, etc. Then when you die you wake up somewhere else and they ask "How was it?"
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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NO! The Shamans probably don't even know. There isn't even evidence for souls, spirits, or whether consciousness and mind are seperable. You are taking philosophies from people who are living in the jungle and passing the same knowledge for thousands of years. What do you expect! Western society is superior to them ( just look), so there is a lot of refining that needs done. We even had to tell them there is a molecule called DMT and MAOI causing the experience. Our best scientific minds will work on it!
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MikeTesserect said: NO! The Shamans probably don't even know. There isn't even evidence for souls, spirits, or whether consciousness and mind are seperable. You are taking philosophies from people who are living in the jungle and passing the same knowledge for thousands of years. What do you expect! Western society is superior to them ( just look), so there is a lot of refining that needs done. We even had to tell them there is a molecule called DMT and MAOI causing the experience. Our best scientific minds will work on it!
The Tibetans have been carefully and scientifically studying consciousness and mapping the astral worlds for over 1,000 years. They do it very seriously with some of the most disciplined people on the planet. They use very potent forms of meditation, dream yoga, and a wide variety of tantric consciousness practices to access these ordinarily blocked off areas of consciousness. Imagine, for instance, what 50 straight generations of dedicated and disciplined consciousness explorers, working from the age of 7 until they die might learn and pass on?
The task of understanding consciousness and gaining access to non-waking reality is not something that our Western World has done better than other, less technologically advanced societies.
We treat the entire topic of non-ordinary waking reality as taboo, for the most part, at least in serious scientific circles. You can still be put in jail for years for exploring your own consciousness with plants in most of the Western world.
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I'm pretty sure that's how they put the pyramids together was with straight mind power. Imagine a million people meditating at once directing their focus on one thing, then imagine a billion, we could create a new world out of sheer meditation.
In terms of readiness you have to be ready, and you won't know when you are until they come if they ever do. Obviously you have to be at terms with accepting them as real first, they don't want to put people in mental wards.
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Explain some of these non ordinary states that aren't known. A state that Steven Hawking doesn't even experience that can be validated. Im assuming you know science is a spiritual enterprise and a higher state of consciousness.
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MikeTesserect said: Explain some of these non ordinary states that aren't known. A state that Steven Hawking doesn't even experience that can be validated. Im assuming you know science is a spiritual enterprise and a higher state of consciousness.
The Tibetans have an extremely well developed model of non physical realms, who inhabits them and all the options in the bardo ... They've explored it, mapped it and built an entire culture to prepare humans for it.
Most scientists would consider it nonsense. It's certainly not nonsense to a monk that worked for 35 years to build his attention and inner calm to a point that he could access these extremely difficult states of mind. That's the problem.
Robert Monroe did a very good job of mapping all that out too ... very scientifically I might add.
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Thank you for making this thread amazing everyone
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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You know, to me, the question of whether or not ultra advanced Aliens exist and are interacting with us here on earth is at least as interesting in the question of whether or not there is a God in this Universe. It is a very similar question, really.
Imagine if humans survive this really shaky period we're in now and our technology keeps improving the way it has ... That we solve many of our problems and learn to live and cooperate more peacefully? What will we be doing in 100 years? How about 1000 years? How about a million years?
I have no doubt that we will figure out many more of the secrets of the universe, of energy, of reality and be doing things we though only Gods could do from our current perspective.
I'd be willing to bet there are at least 10 million more advanced planets/civilizations in this gigantic universe than us on earth, some with well over a 100 million year head start in terms of evolving and improving.
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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CIA said: Curious as to what some of your opinions are on aliens. And if/how they effect our world/dimension. Do drugs of psychedelia bring us closer to superior, higher intellectual beings? Is it all mumbo jumbo? Who were the shamans communicating with?
Entheogens are Themselves "aliens" to most humans.
To those of us who belong to Their Realm They are the only real God and humans are the "aliens".
19 So you are no longer aliens or foreign visitors: you are citizens like all the saints, and part of God's household. 20 You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for the main cornerstone. 21 As every structure is aligned on him, all grow into one holy temple in the Lord; 22 and you too, in him, are being built into a house where God lives, in the Spirit. Ephesians, 2, 19 (St. Paul)
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Xena said: drugs arnt adding anything different that our brains dont already make
There's no evidence for any of that and if anything that's a childish conclusion to draw. It's just your ego trying to make sense of the bizarre.
Why do you feel a need to talk to people that way? Also Xena is technically right. Why are you so sour @AuroraBorealis?
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GED said: they don't exist
I recommend visiting a freshly made authentic crop circle.
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AstralAndrew said: Why do you feel a need to talk to people that way?
Because people who are full of ego and think they're right must have their asses handed to them. I wasn't even that rude I simply stated truth; that he doesn't know so why make all these nonsocial reductionist arguments when no one even has a clue?
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GED said: they don't exist
I recommend visiting a freshly made authentic crop circle.
What possible explanation do people have for how something of that complexity is being made? How many people would it take? What kind of equipment? It is so utterly ridiculous to think a couple of guys with some rope and 2 x 4's could do this? Who possibly has the time to plan, recruit and train the team and then go out and carve these crop sculptures? It's ludicrous.
Obviously, some other technology is involved.
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AstralAndrew said: Why do you feel a need to talk to people that way?
Because people who are full of ego and think they're right must have their asses handed to them. I wasn't even that rude I simply stated truth; that he doesn't know so why make all these nonsocial reductionist arguments when no one even has a clue?
Yes I get all that, but that's not your job. You haven't handed anyone's ass to them, you haven't even slightly changed anyone's mind. Every thread I see you on, you're trying to belittle people. Maybe it's not on purpose but it's actually ridiculous how much of a superiority complex you have over others and out of anywhere, on the Internet? C'mon man chill out and stop right-fighting
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How did you state truth? You did the same thing that the guy you are bashing did, only with your opinion.
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CIA said: Curious as to what some of your opinions are on aliens. And if/how they effect our world/dimension. Do drugs of psychedelia bring us closer to superior, higher intellectual beings? Is it all mumbo jumbo? Who were the shamans communicating with?
Entheogens are Themselves "aliens" to most humans.
To those of us who belong to Their Realm They are the only real God and humans are the "aliens".
19 So you are no longer aliens or foreign visitors: you are citizens like all the saints, and part of God's household. 20 You are part of a building that has the apostles and prophets for its foundations, and Christ Jesus himself for the main cornerstone. 21 As every structure is aligned on him, all grow into one holy temple in the Lord; 22 and you too, in him, are being built into a house where God lives, in the Spirit. Ephesians, 2, 19 (St. Paul)
That my friend is a fascinating concept. Something about that idea really feels worth exploring to me.
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Re: Aliens [Re: GRAVE]
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Sounds washy to me.
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Although it takes just the right conditions and lots and lots of time for life to form, I think its ignorant to claim with certainty that we are the only life in this vast universe. There are 200 BILLION SUNS just in our galaxy alone, some of which could very well have habitable planets revolving around them. Here's the kicker: There are an estimated 100- 200 billion other GALAXIES in just the currently observable Universe. . How on Earth can you be so sure that aliens don't exist? Yes, its fantastic and amazing that we humans are able to exist in this form, but I highly doubt we are alone. Given enough time and evolution, there may be beings out there far more advanced than humans. . If our species can get its act together and learn how to live sustainably in the environment that supports our very existence, we can keep on growing and advancing too
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I know one day we'll get the motivation and discover the means to get humanity into the stars where we can claim our birthright in the universe.
Interesting note. Scientist can roughly calculate/estimate the "life expectancy" of the universe and today we're 8% into that. This incarnation of the universe is still in it's infancy.
Perhaps we haven't found the aliens yet because we're it? With "generational" ships we could theoretically colonize the galaxy in around a million years.
Or, there could be aliens but as it turns out the distance between stars is just too vast and FTL proves impossible or "not allowed by God", so the only means of contact and communication we have with alien worlds/beings is through the mind/universal consciousness?
Who knows? All part of the mystery
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Re: Aliens [Re: CIA]
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acidninja said: Sorry for the double post, but this is the only free time I have to right this whole trip report, anyway, here we go . . .
Fresh Is always betterSpecies: Liberty Cap (fresh)Dosage: Fuck Knows . . .
Phase 1: The Hunt is on . . .
6 am, The sun was blistering the shards of ice crystals on my bedroom window, I lay there, turned of my alarm and was slowly drifting back to sleep when I remember, I needed to hunt, It had been a whole week, "I need more I thought" I got up, drank some orange juice and slapped on a coat, some gloves, a bag, face mask and a beanie. I ran downstairs and grabbed my keys as I shut the door, the sun was starting to peek the horizon line, a beautiful haze of pink and orange shown over the crystal grass and I hoped over the gate, the dead leaves crunched under my boots, "This is it I thought", I scanned the field, there were cows everywhere "Damn Cows I thought." I proceeded to head to the fruiting grounds . . .
Phase 2: The Pick . . .
I found out the first mushroom, as a went to grab it the grass felt cold and damp, I picked it and downed it, it tasted like mud, nasty, as I was chewing it, my eyes caught a glimpse of another milky creamy dot only a few feet away, I knew I was close, "Follow the trail I thought" I proceeded with caution, one mushroom led to another, as I followed the line of mushrooms I realized I was surrounded by them, I was in the "The Birth Place", one after the other, down the hatch they went, mushroom after mushroom until I couldn't stand the taste any longer, I took a swig of orange juice, my mouth was revealed from the dreadful taste of the mushrooms, almost a relief, "I can't stop now" I thought . . .
Phase 3: The Come Up . . .
I could feel it coming on, like an ancient volcano about to erupt, my stomach ached, my forehead felt heavy and I started to shiver, I look up at the sky, it was now broad daylight, the clouds swayed and breathed, pulsing different patterns of rainbow like color, I kept on eating, the field like it went on forever, I ate more and more, I couldn't stop, the visuals got more intense, the trees started to dance and sway, the grassed pulsated and grew, and the colors, my god the colors, they where beautiful, like I was in paradise, I fell to the floor, being over whelmed by the amazing feeling of bliss, tranquility and peace, I started to loose who I was, what I was infact, the earth around and me heart came into sync, my heart beat and the tress pulsated at the same time, I let go of reality and started to enter this dream like state, at the this point the CEVs became blinding, so there was really no point in trying to look around anyway . . .
Phase 3: Death and Aliens . . .
I had a sudden realization, I was vibrating all over, paralyzed on the floor, surrounded by liberty caps, I couldn't help but notice they had an amazingly astonishing resemblance to UFO's, the cap was the ship itself, the stem was the beam, suddenly the mushroom I was looking at started to morph and warp, It was turning into something else . . . a alien like ship . . . a, a UFO! I closed my eyes and rolled over onto my back, It was like I was in a lucid dream like state, I started to hallucinate, the fractals I was witnessing started to take on the shape of faces, but these faces weren't right, they where almost other-worldy, the field I was in ceased to exist, I started to hallucinate that the grass was consuming me, like I was being pulled into the earths core, like I was sinking into the ground, I then had this over whelming feeling of being lifted, like I was in . . . A UFO beam, I then realized I was being abducted, I found myself in what appeared to be a purple capsule, like I was inside this escape pod type structure, then these shadowy like hands things started, almost, "caress" the pod like structure I was in, the enterties where making these weird warping, sniffing sounds, communicating with each other, like they where discussing if they wanted to send my back to earth or keep me with them, I said "I wanted to return home, I want to seem my friends, my family" Suddenly the capsule I was in disappeared, I fell back to earth, hitting the grass . . .
Phase 3: Coming back to reality . . .
I shot up, the visuals started to die down, I managed to sit up, I checked my watched, 6:30, Thank god no one saw, otherswise they might have thought I was dead, I sat there drinking my oj as I watched the sun set, I was still surrounded by liberty caps, I managed to collect around 60 grams fresh before the sun set but whose knows how many I'd taken right there at the time . . .
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I really have no idea how to end this . . . I have no words, I can also only vaguely remember parts of this trip due to it being years ago (sorry for the sudden ending, I'm tired) But anyway, thanks for reading! Hopefully I'll be wrighting a lot more of these in the future as I'm only just getting back into psychedelics after discovering some old spore syringes in my fridge . . .
Thanks for reading
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